FelixOrion
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well bah i need to read
I haven't seen the album mentioned so would like to recommend the newest from Rotting Christ and ASG:
Rotting Christ Premieres Full New Album "Kata Ton Daimona Eaytoy"
ASG - Blood Drive
Not entirely sure what Rotting Christ is playing, but boy "Grandis Spiritus Diavolos" fucking rips, and the rest of the album is amazing.
ASG have kinda crept up on me. I didn't really care for them when they only had a couple of their songs up, but after their full album went up, I've pretty much been switching between "Blood Drive" and "Kata Ton Daimona Eaytoy" nonstop.
Rotting Christ Premieres Full New Album "Kata Ton Daimona Eaytoy"
ASG - Blood Drive
Not entirely sure what Rotting Christ is playing, but boy "Grandis Spiritus Diavolos" fucking rips, and the rest of the album is amazing.
ASG have kinda crept up on me. I didn't really care for them when they only had a couple of their songs up, but after their full album went up, I've pretty much been switching between "Blood Drive" and "Kata Ton Daimona Eaytoy" nonstop.
First time in a while that I've listened to Edguy's Rocket Ride album. Title track is killer!
New Ramming Speed track is kind of awesome:
http://www.invisibleoranges.com/201...ing-speeds-doomed-to-destroy-destined-to-die/
http://www.invisibleoranges.com/201...ing-speeds-doomed-to-destroy-destined-to-die/
I listened to it once. I wonder if I'll ever listen to it again.
Thanks for saving me the trouble.
I need to discover some new really melodic death metal bands. I'm not the biggest fan of death metal so I usually end up listening to really melodic death metal like Dark Lunacy, Mors Principium Est, Mercenary, Veiled in Scarlet, Dark Tranquility, Noumena, Slumber, Vehemence, etc. I would like to discover new bands that play a highly melodic brand of death metal so if you guys have any recommendations I would greatly appreciate it.
Morrigan Stark
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Try Arghoslent if you don't mind horribly racist (but inaudible) lyrics.
Giant Robot
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this will end well.
Consistently fucking amazing musically. I just wish more people would get into their music and look past their racist lyrics/ideologies.
Although they are kind of far away from the hooky melo-death stuff, Arghoslent's riffing is fucking top notch.
MisterLuffy
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Edit: NVM, wrong thread.
Try "light, camera, revolution".
I assume you already know Soilwork and In Flames, but just in case I'll recommend Soilwork - Natural Born Chaos and In Flames - Clayman. You can go back and forth in their respective discographies from there. Both of them have been more or less consistent in cranking out great albums.
Then there is Mercenary which is more on the symphonic side if you start with their album 11 Dreams. When they still had their old lead singer, Mikkel Sandager, they were probably my favourite danish band. They're still all right, but it's not quite the same.
MERCENARY - Firesoul
Lastly there is The Interbeing who is a relatively new danish band, but have put out the awesome album "Edge of the Obscure".
The Interbeing - Tongue of the Soiled
Hydranockz
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So, here's a question for ye. Lyrics you can't quite make out. Good or bad? I dunno how often I've listened to growling vocals or what have you and been totally clueless as to what the lyrics were but more often than not it's just the tone of the voice that would put me off rather than the lyrics themselves. A while later I end up coming across the actual lyrics and it's a penny dropping kind of moment.
How do the rest of ye cope with it?
How do the rest of ye cope with it?
beato_angelico
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good question. to be honest, I don't care much about lyrics in general. I'm not a native english speaker so to understand them I usually have to concentrate on the vocals and ignoring the rest, something that I don't like to do.... so usually I start caring about lyrics only when I really like the music.
HammerOfThor
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Thats why I can't do a lot of death metal and darker. I don't mind that I can't make out the lyrics if the music is good, but I find the growling vocals to be annoying sometimes.
Hydranockz
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Yeah, I can agree with this. I generally listen to Alexi Laiho's (COB) and Petri Lindroos' (Ensiferum/Norther) vocals with relative ease which is nice (I think I have just gotten used to them over time though) but there's plenty of Amorphis, Amon Amarth, Opeth, Turisas and loads more that just go way over my head lyrically.
And like, I don't think it's a terribly offensive thing either. After playing a lot of Rock Band, I have heard basslines I never knew existed and can appreciate a bit better the nuances of the music. But the bassline is just soaked in when I listen to music normally anyway, even if I can't fully distinguish it.
Similarly with growling vocals, I can appreciate their presence even if the nuance of what is being said is lost on me. It is the same principle I apply to songs in foreign languages. You might not know exactly what's being said but great vocalists can really send off strong thematic vibes from the tone and pitch of their voices.
Ixion
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I'm surprised you prefer Children of Bodom's vocals over Amon Amarth's, unless you're referring to COB's later albums. The first few COB albums have completely unintelligible vocals, while Amon Amarth's are pretty clear.
For me personally, the ideal metal vocals have an interesting tone (whether it's powerful, ethereal, creepy, soothing, etc), can still be understood, and still have some variety involved.
Sometimes however, there are unintelligible vocals that are still enjoyable based on the sound and texture they produce, like with good atmospheric Black Metal. Demilich also comes to mind.
Insomnium and Omnium Gatherum.
True story: reading Job For A Cowboy's lyrics ruined the band for me.
Exactly how I feel. To me the vocals are just a different instrument and the lyrics generally dont mean shit to me.
Ixion
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I agree for the most part, but good lyrics do have the ability to elevate a song sometimes.
For example, this part of Blood And Thunder always gives me chills due to the lyrics and badass vocals:
Totally agree. I'm generalizing a lot. For example, I love Cobalt's lyrics. They add a lot to my enjoyment of the band.
Interesting, it's a couple of years old but here's a list of the top 100 albums of the last decade by Sputnikmusic Users. Good chunk of metal on there.
TRAIN OF THOUGHT BABY
TRAIN OF THOUGHT BABY
beato_angelico
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agree on both. for example Tool's lyrics are often amazing.
One of the many reasons why I like Virgin Steele.
Dave Lombardo kicked out from Slayer for good
Christberg
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Dunno about that. Not everything is 90s Cannibal Corpse anymore. I generally don't pay much attention, but these days when I do I'm generally pleasantly surprised.
Just because it's simple doesn't mean the words don't fit the song PERFECTLY.
Like so
Might not be rocket science but it just fits.
Then there's stuff out there like that new Deathspell Omega EP where the lyrics are shockingly well put together in every respect. Guy's completely unintelligible though.
I'd say lyrics are almost always shit regardless of genre. The packaging is too simple generally speaking for the meaning to really breathe like you get with books, for example. Let's not indict metal as some sort of particularly poor example here. This is simply not the case.
Morrigan Stark
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Doesn't bother me at all. Sometimes I listen to bands that sing in languages I don't understand, and it doesn't bother me then either. Bad vocals annoy me more than inaudible lyrics.
I do get annoyed when there's a really bad lyrics that's clearly audible, though. Can get cringe-worthy at times. If the lyrics are going to be really bad, I actually prefer growls, lol.
First of all, I disagree completely that there can't be meaning in lyrics. Ever heard of poetry?
Second, I'm not indicting all metal here. As I said, some bands I want to know the lyrics and I enjoy following along. I cited Cobalt as an example above and I am a big Deathspell Omega fan. But I feel pretty confident saying MOST metal lyrics are pretty cheesy.
I treat the vocals as another instrument (that may or may not be played well) in every genre, so inaudible lyrics don't bother me.
Great vocals alongside great lyrics can take a song to another level though, and I definitely appreciate vocalists in metal that have a nice range of screams while maintaining clarity.
Great vocals alongside great lyrics can take a song to another level though, and I definitely appreciate vocalists in metal that have a nice range of screams while maintaining clarity.
Morrigan Stark
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Giant Robot
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Normally I don't mind it. To me, metal has more emphasis on music especially riffing for me. I see vocals used as another piece of instrument, so it's all in the intonation, phrasing, etc. Sure I love great sing-alongs to Iron Maiden or Autopsy, just because it was placed so well within the music itself.
It takes really bad song titles/lyrics to get me to cringe or not take a band seriously. Devin Townsend comes to mind.
Might as well mention Sabbat (UK) to that since Martin Walkyier was the vocalist/lyricist for them.
FelixOrion
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I quite like Aaron Turner from Isis as a vocalist. He seems to craft rather well made lyrics and delivers them well.
Agreed. Lack of enunciation ruins a lot of enjoy of a band for me, even if their music is good.
Agreed. Lack of enunciation ruins a lot of enjoy of a band for me, even if their music is good.
It all depends on the context though. A lot of lyrics are tongue in cheek or are written just to fit a common theme of the genre being played (which in some cases is already absurd with metal). It's not an excuse to word things poorly, but sometimes they aren't meant to be taken at face value/seriously.
Here is a video of Sleep at Maryland Deathfest 2013 from high over the crowd.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJqf0TvRsd4
Damn that is a crowd. I don't know if I could enjoy a show that packed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJqf0TvRsd4
Damn that is a crowd. I don't know if I could enjoy a show that packed.
Giant Robot
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And I'm fine with that and agree, best example is early-to-mid Carcass. I think they are the masters of being tongue in cheek, but written very very well. Almost a play on words.
Then you have shit like Cannibal Corpse where the vocals are generic and awful sounding IMO. Lyrics are beyond horrible, but so is the band so I guess it fits them well.
I believe there is a certain level of balance and degree on lyrics in a contextual musical setting.
It wasnt that tightly packed unless you were in the amoeba. I can see myself in there too
Here is the crowd for Electric Wizard from the same spot last year
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RGFGjYtQ-o
Christberg
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I'm just disagreeing with singling out metal is all. I feel pretty confident saying most lyrics are cheesy period. Some lyrics suck, some don't. Nobody ever accused Dr Dre or Winger of having good lyrics. It's just a different variety of cheese is all.
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