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The new Pinocchio live-remake is, surprise surprise, a pointless cashgrab
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StreetsofBeige
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If people didn’t keep buying the products theyd stop making the millionth Spider-Man movie with high school Peter Parker.
But it seems when there’s a reissue, the new version may get even more sales than the old version.
I’d say by 2025 there will be another Spider-Man origins movie where teenage Pete becomes Spider-Man and he runs into the green goblin.
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Gifmaker
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That was actually my biggest gripe with LA Lady and the Tramp. They stuck with the 50s NA setting, but made it "inclusive", meaning that Lady's owners are now a mixed-race couple, black people are on prominent display as store owners, and so on.
I think this "idealized" depiction is in itself kind of problematic. Society in America's 1950s simply wasn't like that, and pretending that it was just to tell a cute story about two dogs falling in love is ignorant at best and horribly revisionist of history at worst. I somehow cannot imagine that black folks would look at that and think: "Yep, that's just what it was like for us back then, good effort". But maybe I'm reading way too much into it.
chromhound
Member
why Pinocchio look like a character from a N64 game
You know what? They should have just gone all the way with it and gotten RuPaul as the fairy godmother. At least they'd get points for being "bold" and "forward-thinking" because this looks terrible!
There were people at the time that said she did. Yul Brynner was a common comparison.
She was playing the role of a synthetic reproduction of an alien at that point in the movie, but there was little to distinguish her from human appearance. Luckily for the Enterprise the probe kept Ilia's vow of celibacy.
Yet, she's inhuman, a product of the stars, like a fairy.
MacReady13
Member
Any Italians playing Italian roles?
chromhound
Member
You're asking too much from Disney...
MacReady13
Member
Seems to only work 1 way in Hollyweird...
digoutyoursoul
Member
Lack of originality, lack of risk taking and dare I say a dwindling amount of talent. Bland.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
Nada NadaYou said this...
But then you said...
You stayed consistent with "inclusions" but you changed up what you said in the first and second sentences.
40s to 60s were the Whitest era of modern movies... You said you want movies like in that era. Then you say something about "source of inspiration"
What's different from the original movie and this? The story is still basically the same... Only superficial casting is different (as different as can be since the original is a cartoon and this is live action, mostly).
So you either want the movies YOU like to be like it was from the 40s-60s (mostly or all white) or you want something else...
Also your assertion of "In fact, I have no problem with other films including characters from other cultures..."
You have no problem with it...
.Yes, to what I mean, if a character is Caucasian, that is how it should be stabilized.
You can't put an Albert Wesker who is Caucasian, making him black for example.
Heimdall_Xtreme
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Heimdall_Xtreme
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Possible answer options.
1.- apologize and accept the inclusion.
2.- To say that Disney is the best today
3.- Say Go to Hell
MacReady13
Member
I said ALMOST the same thing. Instead of Forrest Gump though, I said Contact and Castaway. Zemekis used to be one of my favs. God he's dropped the ball big time. Maybe he needs Bob Gale around again...
dr_octagon
Banned
There is voxel and particle demo happening in that scene. The remaining budget was 100 polygons for Pinocchio.
fran.fernandez
Member
Saw it for 40 min. Wasn’t that bad, still didn’t care to keep until the end 
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
Thanks for that information, I ammend (here, lazily) any errors that I made in previous posts. Guess my little heavy metal bisexual ass is too trad. for 2022, hahaha.
Bragr
Banned
Get with the times you son a bitch, bisexual is 2019, it's 2022 motherfucker, you are either a man in a woman's body or a closet pansexual transexual, or you are suppressing your inner anti-bisexual transexual pansexual desires and are basically a fascist pig.
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
I choose to identify as a Liberal Anti fascist but actually secretly fascist small moon. Will share my pride flag later.
daffyduck
Member
"It was wrong then, and it's still wrong now."
Quasicat
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daffyduck
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Could've fooled me
There could be some sweeeeeeeeet hawaiian girls in that show, let's not cancel it yet!The answer to this question is Lilo and Stitch. I love the original film, but this:
The fairy lady does a good job, she has a wonderful voice. But that make-up does her NO FAVORS, good god.
And was there just a scene of a black lady holding a leash of white kids? WTF?
And yeah, these CG animals gotta stop. This is "Uncanny Valley:The movie". Everything is weightless. Feels really wierd.
Nevermind, I guess that leash thing is how they stay focused on the way to school?
Konnor
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One of the worst effects of aging everyone seems to understate is how much the brain deteriorates in most people even if they don't suffer from some disorder by then. Everything from reaction timea to complex thinking and decision making becomes way worse, Zemeckis is 70 years old and like most directors that age that continue to make movies he's far, far worse than his prime. Plus he decided to sellout to fucking Disney which means he pretty much has little control of his project.
Kittehkraken
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Running out of ideas? Its a stop motion passion project.
"no art form has influenced my life and my work more than animation and no single character in history has had as deep of a personal connection to me as Pinocchio", and "I've wanted to make this movie for as long as I can remember". - del Toro
Its how film making should be done.
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Konnor
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DeafTourette
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Except you did. Maybe "contrast" is the wrong word but using real people to bolster your argument about fictional characters is never the way to go.
Comparing or contrasting a race-bent fictional character to another race-bent fictional character would have made more sense.
That said, the argument about Hamilton isn't to rewrite history but tell a specific story about a largely forgotten founding father and the other forgotten people attached to him like Elizabeth Schuyler Hamilton. Using the play and the actors in it as a commentary on the forgotten stories and contributions of POC throughout this country's history.
Someone mentioned Anne Boleyn... That would be a better comparison when talking about racebending actual historical figures.
Oh! And MLK HAS been played by a white man...
https://www.theatermania.com/ohio-theater/news/white-actor-martin-luther-king_75366.html
Bragr
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So if someone made Malcolm X white and came up with some argument about "it wasn't about rewriting history but to tell the stories of the white folks the black panthers abused", do you think that would work?
Did you just spend 8 hours searching the internet until you found one weird theater play from 2009 where they switched between a white and black actor for MLK? a play where they had to change it because black people got furious?
newtypepilot
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Just watch this instead lol
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Pinocchio always fucking sucked
Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
Bragr
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I don't get it, your story goes against the point I was making, that black people would allow their historical characters to be subverted.
I knew you would get trigged by that black panther comment, that's why I used that example. But still, you could easily find some examples of some black panthers assaulting some white folks, and try to make some story where you can contrast something like hamilton did, especially considering how wacky they were.
sol_bad
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Skifi28
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Oh god: Yet another modern film where a character known for being the whitest of whites gets race-swapped because we can't have white protanists any longer for whatever reason. I'm surprised the new Lion King didn't feature a cast of black bears instead of lions.
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MaxwellParrish
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That's not really true. The italian folklore is pretty full of fate (fairies).
Instead, you are right the Disney Blue Fairy is pretty far from the description of Collodi (both in her "physical" rappresentation and in the role that she has in the story} She is a blue-haired child (turchino in italian wasn't really a synonymous of turchese=turquoise, as it is now usually uderstood, but a medium-dark blue ) only for her first encounter with Pinocchio, but in the book is more often an adult lady or even a goat, but she always has blue hair
DarkestLight
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///PATRIOT
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no, mate.
Stuart360
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Its not about having black peoplein movies (i really hate that argument), its changing white characters to black, female characters to male, etc.
Take the Little Mermaid teaser, why does Ariel have to be black?. She should be white like the orig character. I mean give her black friends, make her whole community black, i dont give a shit. Its nothing to do with having black people in films, or strong females in films, etc.
Take the Little Mermaid teaser, why does Ariel have to be black?. She should be white like the orig character. I mean give her black friends, make her whole community black, i dont give a shit. Its nothing to do with having black people in films, or strong females in films, etc.
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I’ve never liked it. I hated it as a kid, along with Snow White, Dumbo, and Cinderella. First classic Disney movie I would watch today is Sleeping Beauty, which is a masterpiece. Geppetto has always been a creep to me.
That said I don’t care one whit about changing the race of the fairy god mother, I think black is beautiful, but maybe spring for a wig next time.
Heimdall_Xtreme
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Thank God that my favorite Disney movie, Alice in Wonderland, did not suffer from this.
I actually liked the first movie.
Cyberpunkd
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Wait for the inevitable remake.
Wimbledon
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If they kept the characters how they look if they didn't race swap or gender swap characters, do you think people would cause an uproar or take notice and say why is this character still white?
Like we all know the answer, it wouldn't be a thought in anyone's mind because those are the characters we know.
It's not something that I would go riot about, cause I don't care enough about this but it just seems like alot of the changes are unnecessary.
Your also taking work away from actors who would better fit that character IF you wanted to stay close to the source material or at least how they're depicted in early works.
Like we all know the answer, it wouldn't be a thought in anyone's mind because those are the characters we know.
It's not something that I would go riot about, cause I don't care enough about this but it just seems like alot of the changes are unnecessary.
Your also taking work away from actors who would better fit that character IF you wanted to stay close to the source material or at least how they're depicted in early works.