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The NFL Playoffs Thread
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tmdorsey said:
In their defense all the home teams looked rusty on offense except the Falcons. All 4 teams will have shaken off the rust come Sunday.
I feel bad for Duce, he doesn't understand the true power of Konex. I am the biggest fan of the Steelers, but if Konex picked Pittsburgh to win I would be hoping for a miracle.
oh, and bionic, just to keep some fun around....
*sigh* i'll vouch for the devil sworn pats. pats vs steelers, avatar bet?
and you know, i really love watching the pats play under double B, but i hate them SO much, especially Brady. I love Moss but hate Brady. Go figure :lol
*sigh* i'll vouch for the devil sworn pats. pats vs steelers, avatar bet?
and you know, i really love watching the pats play under double B, but i hate them SO much, especially Brady. I love Moss but hate Brady. Go figure :lol
Ninja Scooter
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Konex picked the Steelers? Well i guess we better get ready for another Tom Brady Super Bowl.
"FUCK!"
"FUCK!"
Eminem said:
I will take that bet! You will sport a lovely pic of Big Ben Roethlisbeger for 3 months if the the Pats lose. I will take that villain Jordan, also for 3 months.
I thought the earlier bet was who gets to the Superbowl, but looking back through this thread it was only a bet if it was Pitt/Colts. I kind of wish we were playing Indy now.....
Ninja Scooter said:Konex picked the Steelers? Well i guess we better get ready for another Tom Brady Super Bowl.
"FUCK!"
That would be big trouble if Konex picked the Steelers, but he picked the Pats.
That act makes him the greatest human being ever!
They are the weakest team we have faced in any championship game.
Speaking of not looking all that hot.
Arizona 3
Atlanta 6
Atlanta 10
Kansas City 56
Atlanta 0
Tampa Bay 27
Detroit 17
Atlanta 10
BTW, your defense isnt much better than the Vikings outside of that dome you have. You cant defend the pass unlike the panthers and bucs of past years, Mcnabb will tear you up.
Agent Icebeezy
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If Randall played this this parity ridden NFL, he'd win MVP every year
The only things that I would question about the Falcons is their play in cold weather and quarterbacking. I mean, seriously, how in the world does a team put up 47 points when the quarterback passes for less than 100 yards! (Vick was 12-16 for 82 yards...the definition of dink and dunk :lol)
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Bowser said:
How you win doesn't matter, it's if you win. 47-17 means they won big
Fixed2BeBroken
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TheDuce22 said:
you sure are the biggest vick/falcons hater ive ever seen. all the more better when the eagles get beat.
me too =p
should be a fun game. and i watched most of the colts game yesterday(good ol' VCR taping), and the colts were just abused. wasn't manning's fault, though i'm sure he coulda picked better plays, they just played a superior team. at the end of the first half they looked good...they shoulda just came out throwing it every down for a while. think they woulda had more success that way. and the pats 3rd and 11 conversion was the backbreaker. indy's D was even worse than their offense. ah well. that's why it's good to not be a genuine fan. could be worse....bears could be playing the eagles.....or the raiders could be playing the bucs in the superbowl. =(
TheDuce22 said:
Those losses don't mean shit. The playoffs are a new season. We defend the pass just fine. We may give up yards, but we don't give up too many big passing plays for TDs. Also a little known fact is that a couple of our starters in the secondary were hurt for the majority of the season. We have them back now. The Rams have one of the most explosive passing offenses in the league and we held them to 17 points both times we played them and the Rams receivers are much better than your receivers.
Whether you want to believe it or not we do have the ability the put pressure on McNabb and before you mention his scrambling ability, having the fastest QB in the league really helps simulating scrambling QBs in pratice.
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It's kinda hard to go against Vick, all he does is win
20-1 as a starter at Virginia Tech
20-11-1 as a starter for the Falcons
It's tough to go against that kind of production.
20-1 as a starter at Virginia Tech
20-11-1 as a starter for the Falcons
It's tough to go against that kind of production.
You have had problems outside your dome. That does mean something.
Points allowed per game Home - (16.6) Road (25.5)
Sacks per game - Home (3.9) Road (2.1)
Your points per game on the road are also way lower than at home. You can put pressure on Mcnabb but you wont do it consistantly with just your front 4. Eagles arent going to lose this game.
Points allowed per game Home - (16.6) Road (25.5)
Sacks per game - Home (3.9) Road (2.1)
Your points per game on the road are also way lower than at home. You can put pressure on Mcnabb but you wont do it consistantly with just your front 4. Eagles arent going to lose this game.
FrenchMovieTheme
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i have to agree with tmdorsey, the 49ers are the only team that can stop vick. i will also agree with him about their defensive secondary being very good. i was so mad we let jason webster go, he is one of the best tackling CB's i have ever seen and he plays the pass well also. dangelo hall was mixing it up nicely against stl too.
dont forget dude, your receivers are complete and total garbage. i dont care that they had 200+ yards or whatever against the worst secondary in the playoffs (vikings, and thats before taking into account they were without their starting SS). not only that, but the vikings weren't EVEN BUMPING THEM! how can you not bump the biggest group of pussy ass receivers in the league and let them get free releases!? crappy defensive calling by the vikes, you wont be afforded that luxury with the falcons. jim mora is going to come at you hard and fast, jgar style
one spot i do think the eagles can take advantage is in the run game. the rams ran on the falcons early in that ball game with a lot of success. infact, they ran 5 or 6 straight times to get to midfield, then they play actioned for an easy TD cause the falcons were so concerned about the run. of course, mike vick and that run game gang raped the rams D, so the rams O had to pass pass pass all game.
i will be shocked if this game is a blowout either way. at the end of the day i think the eagles will BARELY squeak out a win. i want the falcons to win (pittsburgh atlanta superbowl would be awesome), and they are going to put up a hell of a fight, but i just feel like the eagles defense is going to show vick a thing or two they haven't seen. dont sleep on the falcons though, they're going to give you all you can handle.
dont forget dude, your receivers are complete and total garbage. i dont care that they had 200+ yards or whatever against the worst secondary in the playoffs (vikings, and thats before taking into account they were without their starting SS). not only that, but the vikings weren't EVEN BUMPING THEM! how can you not bump the biggest group of pussy ass receivers in the league and let them get free releases!? crappy defensive calling by the vikes, you wont be afforded that luxury with the falcons. jim mora is going to come at you hard and fast, jgar style
one spot i do think the eagles can take advantage is in the run game. the rams ran on the falcons early in that ball game with a lot of success. infact, they ran 5 or 6 straight times to get to midfield, then they play actioned for an easy TD cause the falcons were so concerned about the run. of course, mike vick and that run game gang raped the rams D, so the rams O had to pass pass pass all game.
i will be shocked if this game is a blowout either way. at the end of the day i think the eagles will BARELY squeak out a win. i want the falcons to win (pittsburgh atlanta superbowl would be awesome), and they are going to put up a hell of a fight, but i just feel like the eagles defense is going to show vick a thing or two they haven't seen. dont sleep on the falcons though, they're going to give you all you can handle.
Future Trunks
lemme tell you something son, this guy is SO FARKING HUGE HE'LL FLEX AND DESTROY THE SUN no shit
FrenchMovieTheme said:
You misspelled "Buccaneers..."
TheDuce22 said:
You keep talking about Vick being in a better system in 2002 and that's far from the truth. The offensive play calling in 2002 was predictable and uninspired. Back then Vick really had to do everything himself. I will take this system with this coaching staff and defense anyday of the week.
I will admit that I'm sort of worried about Eagles defense, but I'm sure Jim Mora and company have a game plan ready.
ok, maybe i'm wrong....but does anyone else feel either NFC team could compete with the Pats, but not with the Steelers?
Maybe it's from past experience or something, I dunno. But I just think the Iggles or Vicks will stay within a TD of/beat the Pats, but not Pittsburgh. This does sound ridiculous, but I favor the Pats against the Steelers, but the NFC will have a better match up against NE. But if Pitt goes to the SB, I think they win no contest(and I will puke no contest. Fucking Cowher).
Maybe it's from past experience or something, I dunno. But I just think the Iggles or Vicks will stay within a TD of/beat the Pats, but not Pittsburgh. This does sound ridiculous, but I favor the Pats against the Steelers, but the NFC will have a better match up against NE. But if Pitt goes to the SB, I think they win no contest(and I will puke no contest. Fucking Cowher).
FrenchMovieTheme
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duce man what are you talking about? a one dimensional offense? not only do they have the best Running QB in the league, they have the best running game period in the league. add to that the 2nd best tight end in the nfc (behind you know who), and you have a little more than a one dimensional offense.
vick was NOT better in 2002 than he is now, that is ridiculous. besides, the falcons as a team are much better as well. even if you neutralize vick as you did in 2002 (very possible) they have more weapons now than they did back then, and a better defense. remember, the game was only 13-6 going into the 4th quarter. not only that, but vick torched you for 274 yards without ANY receivers basically. finally, vick ran for a TD in the 4th that was called back for a hold that had no bearing on the outcome of the play.
you can talk all the shit you want about vick (god knows i have, and will again) but bottom line is if you think this game is going to be a cake walk (with or without t.o.) you are going to be sorry. the longer this game stays close, the more it favors the falcons.
can you imagine what will be going through the players/coaches on the eagles sidelines if the game is very tight and the clock is ticking down inside of 5 mins? what if the falcons are up by a small margin with a couple minutes left? so much pressure on those guys... ALL the pressure is on the eagles. to lose 4 straight nfc title games (3 straight at home) would be devestating.
vick was NOT better in 2002 than he is now, that is ridiculous. besides, the falcons as a team are much better as well. even if you neutralize vick as you did in 2002 (very possible) they have more weapons now than they did back then, and a better defense. remember, the game was only 13-6 going into the 4th quarter. not only that, but vick torched you for 274 yards without ANY receivers basically. finally, vick ran for a TD in the 4th that was called back for a hold that had no bearing on the outcome of the play.
you can talk all the shit you want about vick (god knows i have, and will again) but bottom line is if you think this game is going to be a cake walk (with or without t.o.) you are going to be sorry. the longer this game stays close, the more it favors the falcons.
can you imagine what will be going through the players/coaches on the eagles sidelines if the game is very tight and the clock is ticking down inside of 5 mins? what if the falcons are up by a small margin with a couple minutes left? so much pressure on those guys... ALL the pressure is on the eagles. to lose 4 straight nfc title games (3 straight at home) would be devestating.
FrenchMovieTheme
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lol em thanks dude. i would love my own radio show, however i would be so biased towards the niners i would likely be fired minutes after i first went on the air.
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Basically if you shut down the run the Falcons cannot win. Dont allow Vick to get outside, blitz him and force him to throw and he will hand you the game.
Vick had a better QB rating and more yards overall thanks to better passing numbers than he has this year. They had 2368 total yards rushing in 2002 for 3rd, 2672 this year. Statictically they had a better overall offense in 2002 (believe it or not, the numbers dont lie) and a defense that is about on par with this year. Actually, they allowed fewer points per game in 2002. The biggest change is the weakened NFC IMO.
I remember Mcnabb playing like crap in, i think, his first game back from injury (broken leg) and vick handing us the game with a couple interceptions.
Mcnabb is too hot right now, when we have lost the past 2 years Mcnabb was part of the reason. He had horrible games, his passes were all over the place. Reid is pass happy, he lets Mcnabb win it or lose it with his arm. Both those years you could kinda get a hint of that in the divisional game, he just was not playing well. There is no sense of that this year.
i hate the eagles, but i love fred ex. yeah, his ego is bigger than andy reid's body fat, but he's hilarious. i think he takes himself seriously, which is what makes him hilarious. he's a funnier(is that a word?) version of randy moss, but he actually goes on shows like PTI. good stuff
soulja224466
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i have to go along with duce here (sadly). The eagles will beat the falcons this sunday. The reason? They don't have a bunch of girls playing defense and ST like we do. And we moved the ball at will against atlanta in the first half, when we weren't forced into pass mode. We ran on them, and we threw on them. I wasn't that impressed with their defense at all.
They only got 3 sacks, against a QB not known for mobility, while playing with a double digit lead the whole game. Not to mention our o-line was in complete and total shambles. Bulger still threw for 300 and 2 scores, even without isaac bruce. I still like their d-line a lot, but we did a good job on them, all things considered.
the only chance they have really, is to hope they can run all over the eagles and get big plays on ST. I think the eagles are susceptible to the run, but if that's all they have to scheme against, they can do it. Vick is a terrible passer, end of story. The eagles defenders would have picked that ball off he threw at the beginning of the game against us, and taken it for 6. Our db's of course, dropped it. We dropped a couple gifts that game. He won't be so lucky @ philly.
philly 28
atl 10
They only got 3 sacks, against a QB not known for mobility, while playing with a double digit lead the whole game. Not to mention our o-line was in complete and total shambles. Bulger still threw for 300 and 2 scores, even without isaac bruce. I still like their d-line a lot, but we did a good job on them, all things considered.
the only chance they have really, is to hope they can run all over the eagles and get big plays on ST. I think the eagles are susceptible to the run, but if that's all they have to scheme against, they can do it. Vick is a terrible passer, end of story. The eagles defenders would have picked that ball off he threw at the beginning of the game against us, and taken it for 6. Our db's of course, dropped it. We dropped a couple gifts that game. He won't be so lucky @ philly.
philly 28
atl 10
FrenchMovieTheme
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holy shit you are a fucking genius. why didn't the rams think of this!? if only they had known all they had to do was shut down mike vick and the run game! why weren't the falcons opponents this year told of this development?? god damn i feel so bad for mora jr. now. pack it in falcons, your season is now over
vicks stats were better, but were the falcons as a team better? no. you say the biggest change is the weakend nfc. lets take a look at some of the teams the falcons beat in 2002:
cincinnati bengals: 2-14
carolina panthers: 7-9
saints: 9-7
ravens: 7-9
vikings: 6-10
lions: 3-13
that is 6 of their 9 wins against very average to below average teams. i'll admit they've beaten some "weak" teams this year as well, but the weakened nfc? it was weak in 2002 as far as the falcons were concerned. mike vick doesn't have better numbers, he has a better team. guess which one he would rather have?
early interception for a TD cost the falcons the game i admit that. mcnabb DID play like crap, but he played like crap against a soft defense. if you haven't seen the falcons yet this year, you're going to realize they blitz a lot more and they're a lot more aggressive. mcnabb did have a good game against the vikings, but keep in mind they are arguably the worst secondary in the nfl. not only that, but he was incredibly fortunante on no less than 2 occassions that a pass wasn't picked off as it was right in the secondarys lap.
lol mcnabb is too hot against WHO right now?? the vikings!? is that what you are pinning your hopes on, that he torched the vikings secondary? believe it or not the eagles were VERY fortunate that the vikings game wasn't closer. dropped int in the endzone by the vikes, a blown goal-to-go situation, turnovers galore inside the eagles 30, the "defender didn't re-establish himself inbounds" call on the fumble. the eagles had an awful lot go there way and they still only won by 13. there are only 2 teams that looked outstanding in the divisional round, one is the falcons and one is the patriots. keep that in mind at all times
Future Trunks
lemme tell you something son, this guy is SO FARKING HUGE HE'LL FLEX AND DESTROY THE SUN no shit
DMczaf said:
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...wait, WTF @ your tag! :lol
soulja224466
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holy shit you are a fucking genius. why didn't the rams think of this!? if only they had known all they had to do was shut down mike vick and the run game! why weren't the falcons opponents this year told of this development?? god damn i feel so bad for mora jr. now. pack it in falcons, your season is now over
We went about it all wrong, in hindsight. We sold out on defense to stop vick, which allowed dunn and duckett to run wild. And we didn't even stop vick to boot. Fact is, vick did not kill us, even tho he rushed for 120.
I think the eagles will concentrate on shutting down the falcons conventional running game. Vick will get his yards no matter what. But I don't think it matters. Who cares if he runs for 100 yards, he still wont have more than 100 yards passing. That's a 200 yard day from a QB, thats good but it's not something that will kill you.
Contain dunn and duckett, and it will not matter what vick does, imo. Most of his yards come from 1 or 2 huge plays anyway.
Fixed2BeBroken
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dont you love it when people try to make it seem like stopping the falcons is so simple.
:lol
"this is all you gotta do, and they are done"
really?!
wow!
alot of these nfl teams should HIRE YOU as thier Defense Coordinator, being that yall have it figured out so easily.
peace
:lol
"this is all you gotta do, and they are done"
really?!
wow!
alot of these nfl teams should HIRE YOU as thier Defense Coordinator, being that yall have it figured out so easily.
peace
Ill assume the two passes your talking about are the ones where the reciever was interfered with and the one at the end of the half where the eagles didnt get points out of it anyway.
What in the world makes you think the falcons secondary is SO much better. They have a good pass rush in the dome, thats about it. Our offensive line is great when healthy and they will give Mcnabb time. For the first time he is totally healthy and has at least one weapon on offense(westbrook). I dont care who it came against, he looked sharp, he looked loose, and his passes were about 10 times more accurate than they have been in the past 2 years.
The game was never really close after philly jumped out to a 14 point lead. I am probably one of the most paranoid fans around during the game but i was totally relaxed during this game. The only viking points came off a couple jump balls, the one for a td during garbage time. We made alot of uncharacteristic mistakes, that does not concern me at all. You almost expect that after a month off. I im looking at the awfull lot that didnt go the eagles way. The freddie mitchell touchdown that was reversed for a touchback, the cullpepper fumble that they ruled down, the bad clock management at the end of the half that cost points, the fumble where parry (our fb) thought he was out of bounds. The eagles have been clearly the best team in the NFC throughout the season. I thought some of you were completly nuts for picking the Vikings to beat them, of course the falcons have more of a chance but i just dont see it happening.
holy shit you are a fucking genius. why didn't the rams think of this!? if only they had known all they had to do was shut down mike vick and the run game! why weren't the falcons opponents this year told of this development?? god damn i feel so bad for mora jr. now. pack it in falcons, your season is now over
You think the rams had the talent to do it? They played scared, they were not attacking and still were somehow out of position. Its not easy, luckily eagles have one of the best defenses and coaches in the nfl. Not to mention they have completly owned Warick Dunn in the past and Kearse seems almost tailor made to spy vick.
FrenchMovieTheme
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no, i'm talking about the drop in the endzone in the 3rd quarter. mcnabb overthrew westbrook in the endzone, and it landed right in the safeties hands for mn and he dropped it. there was another pass over the middle that was right in the LB's hands and it was dropped by mn. both awful passes by mcnabby
lol what makes me think the falcons defense is better?? i'm not sure... how about watching what they did to the best passing offense in the nfc perhaps? i dont care how good your offensive line is, your receivers are sheer dog shit. let me do some math for you:
x = bump coverage
y = dog shit WR's
z = blitzing the fuck out of mcnabb, which means it wont matter how good the "protection" is if you dont have enough guys to block
X + Y = Z
that is my equation for this game.
wow, i guess 14-7 isn't a close game at all. i guess 21-7 with vikings on a first and goal isn't close either. yes, the eagles were the best team in the nfc, but are they so different from the falcons? lets take a look:
QB's - both are running QB's, both have strong (but often inaccurate) arms
RB's - eagles have a decent running game that they dont go to enough, falcons have 2 good running backs, and one great one who lines up behind center every down
o-line - eagles have the better o-line
d-line - eagles have the best overall defensive lineman, falcons have the better defensive line
linebackers - eh, i dont know, neither unit is great, but all the blitzing both teams do help to hide that
cb's - eagles
special teams - falcons (except akers is one of the top 5 kickers in the league)
so, its not like you are playing a garbage team or a team that is lucky to be here. you are in for a dog fight buddy
no, the rams dont have the talent to do it. but its not as easy as saying "hey, just stop this and they're done!" the falcons are going to scheme too. remember, in a close game all it takes is one play, and as the game wears on that philly d is going to get awfully tired of chasing mike vick down time and again. as the game wears on, keep an eye on this. mike vick is used to running all game long, the eagles aren't used to chasing a qb like him for 60 minutes
Forgive me if im not blown away by the fact that the falcons did defensively about what our backups were able to do.
Where is westbrook in that equation? If it were that simple we would not have been one of the top scoring teams last year before he went down. Its not like the falcons dbs are anything special. Here is another stat, we have never lost a game where westbrook has more than 10 touches. 20-0. Also I have seen a few falcons games and they are not a blitzing team and they play alot more zone than man. They are one of the worst in the nfl for opposing qb completion percentage.
Ya they will scheme but they arent going to come out and throw the ball all over the field. They are going to run, plain and simple. If we contain it, we win big.
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