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The Official Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts Thread
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I've got about 6 jiggys so far and then got sidetracked exploring Showdown Town. Damn, that place is massive.
I'm enjoying it, but I do miss the lack of exploration in the actual worlds. I've only been in Nutty Acres so far, but it's an absolutely stunning world. Stunning. And yet, unless you're looking for notes, you don't really need to explore it and it's a bit of a shame, it all seems a bit like window dressing in the end. Still, there's already been plenty of talk of this game not being a proper platformer and I'm bored of it so I'll get onto the game.
As expected the audio is superb and honestly it's one of the best looking games I've played this gen hands down. The frame rate can get a little iffy at times but it doesn't really affect the game. The Grunty challenge in Nutty Acres where it's night time just blew me away with the lighting. So far I've been able to get T.T trophies either with the default vehicles or very slightly modified versions so I'm really hoping that to get the T.T trophies in later challenges, you really have to start coming up with your own designs. Designing vehicles just for the fun of it is cool, but it's a shame if the challenges don't really require it.
I fear for the sales of this game already though. For the first jiggy (the burning farm one) I came 11,000th in the world on my very first try. And my first try was crap since I didn't know where I was going. For pretty much every jiggy since I've come in the top 2,000, occasionally the top 1,000, and I didn't think I did exceptionally in any of them. So yeah, I'm a bit worried about that.
Anyway it's a genuinely funny game, looks amazing, plays well. I like it a lot. I can't deny I wish these stunning worlds were built around platforming but I can tell I'm going to enjoy it.
I'm enjoying it, but I do miss the lack of exploration in the actual worlds. I've only been in Nutty Acres so far, but it's an absolutely stunning world. Stunning. And yet, unless you're looking for notes, you don't really need to explore it and it's a bit of a shame, it all seems a bit like window dressing in the end. Still, there's already been plenty of talk of this game not being a proper platformer and I'm bored of it so I'll get onto the game.
As expected the audio is superb and honestly it's one of the best looking games I've played this gen hands down. The frame rate can get a little iffy at times but it doesn't really affect the game. The Grunty challenge in Nutty Acres where it's night time just blew me away with the lighting. So far I've been able to get T.T trophies either with the default vehicles or very slightly modified versions so I'm really hoping that to get the T.T trophies in later challenges, you really have to start coming up with your own designs. Designing vehicles just for the fun of it is cool, but it's a shame if the challenges don't really require it.
I fear for the sales of this game already though. For the first jiggy (the burning farm one) I came 11,000th in the world on my very first try. And my first try was crap since I didn't know where I was going. For pretty much every jiggy since I've come in the top 2,000, occasionally the top 1,000, and I didn't think I did exceptionally in any of them. So yeah, I'm a bit worried about that.
Anyway it's a genuinely funny game, looks amazing, plays well. I like it a lot. I can't deny I wish these stunning worlds were built around platforming but I can tell I'm going to enjoy it.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
Edit: I'm stupid I thought you said jinjo not jiggies.
Littleberu
Banned
Majora said:
Well, the game's been out for less than a week, and I'm pretty sure the target demographic for this game doesn't necessarily have Live.
Psychotext
Member
Sweet... my missus is helping me make what can only be described as a ball with a jet engine in it. :lol
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Majora said:
I don't know that you have to completely come up with something fresh (although you might have to for later challenges which I am hell of far from), but you DO have to do plenty of alterations.
Woffls
Member
I've placed 5th and 10th in the ones I cared to look at :| It asked me if i wanted to upload a video of my run so i waz leik "yeh k" and I did, so that's why I looked. Might check for an overall average later.
Ok i've spent like the last hour building vehicles to do this damn long jump and i'm not getting near the Trophy. Might go for a different approach.
Ok i've spent like the last hour building vehicles to do this damn long jump and i'm not getting near the Trophy. Might go for a different approach.
Littleberu
Banned
BenjaminBirdie said:
Yeah, I love doing new vehicles just to beat my current time.
The first Grunty challenge was over in like 3 secondes thanks to the Fulgore Punch.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Woffls said:
This is seriously the brilliance of this game. For people thinking that there's no "puzzle solving", this is it. Figuring out how to get the TT Trophies requires thinking through the challenge and looking at your toolbox.
Woffls
Member
There's a mission in Logbox where you have to take a shell thing up to the top, then down some pipes of water. That mission is hardcore for building something good. It's gotta get to the top quickly, then turn into a submarine 
I wasn't happy with my solution, so i'll have another crack at it later.
Has anyone tried the longjump on Jiggosseum yet? It's the first mission I found when I got here and i've been trying it since Jiggy is NOT good enough for me on this one.
I wasn't happy with my solution, so i'll have another crack at it later.Has anyone tried the longjump on Jiggosseum yet? It's the first mission I found when I got here and i've been trying it since
Jiggy is NOT good enough for me on this one.BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Woffls said:There's a mission in Logbox where you have to take a shell thing up to the top, then down some pipes of water. That mission is hardcore for building something good. It's gotta get to the top quickly, then turn into a submarine
Has anyone tried the longjump on Jiggosseum yet? It's the first mission I found when I got here and i've been trying it since
I did the long jump. Definitely need to outfit something better. I barely bounced across the line far enough for a Jiggy.
gnarkill bill
Member
This game has some serious replay value with getting those damn Trophies. Ive only got about 7 right now and Ive clocked in a few solid hours.
VGChampion
Member
Okay, after an extended break after being underwhelmed, I gave it another chance and had a blast. I'm finally into the vehicle creation and think it's wonderful. Small spoiler I guess but it's from the 4th Jiggy you get.
Loving the game. Thank you Rare for thinking outside the box.
After playing the game, I got to thinking. What if they kept going in different directions with this series and just kept dlc going for games. Instead of a Nuts & Bolts 2, go with something completely different again, and give the people still playing Nuts & Bolts some dlc.
I could not get the coconut off of Gruntilda's vehicle. I kept making big vehicles and little vehicles with a bunch of pipes trying to get it to tip. I finally just created a giant block with two spoilers on it and got the coconut off in 2.85 seconds.
Loving the game. Thank you Rare for thinking outside the box.
After playing the game, I got to thinking. What if they kept going in different directions with this series and just kept dlc going for games. Instead of a Nuts & Bolts 2, go with something completely different again, and give the people still playing Nuts & Bolts some dlc.
EricDiesel
Member
No offense to those who like it, but I'm glad I canceled my pre-order. I wasn't convinced about the vehicle stuff, but I was going to give it a shot. Then I played the demo.
I dunno, I find it frustrating. I usually don't use triggers for driving in GTA and Saint's Row, and they give you no way to change what buttons do what. The vehicles can fall apart which, in my opinion, is a very poor design choice. Especially for challenges where you need to fight off enemies. Like the others have said as well as videos I've seen, there seems to be no exploration outside of Showdown Town...
I dunno. It just feels like a poor substitute for Banjo-Kazooie rather than a true AAA sequel up to the caliber of the first two. I just don't think Rare is capable of games like that anymore, not that Viva Pinata and Nuts & Bolts are bad games. I'm just sorely disappointed, personally.
I hope they go back to straight up platforming, or at least a more balanced mix of platforming and vehicle challenges in the next game. I bet they will do the latter. Until then I'll just buy Kazooie and Tooie on XBLA. No harm done, I guess, but I was just expecting more out of this game.
I dunno, I find it frustrating. I usually don't use triggers for driving in GTA and Saint's Row, and they give you no way to change what buttons do what. The vehicles can fall apart which, in my opinion, is a very poor design choice. Especially for challenges where you need to fight off enemies. Like the others have said as well as videos I've seen, there seems to be no exploration outside of Showdown Town...
I dunno. It just feels like a poor substitute for Banjo-Kazooie rather than a true AAA sequel up to the caliber of the first two. I just don't think Rare is capable of games like that anymore, not that Viva Pinata and Nuts & Bolts are bad games. I'm just sorely disappointed, personally.
I hope they go back to straight up platforming, or at least a more balanced mix of platforming and vehicle challenges in the next game. I bet they will do the latter. Until then I'll just buy Kazooie and Tooie on XBLA. No harm done, I guess, but I was just expecting more out of this game.
Woffls
Member
EricDiesel said:
From what we've been seeing, a few people weren't convinced until playing the full game. Not saying you should buy it of course, but If you like the concept I'd go for it, of not then skip it obviously.
That's one of the points of the game. It's part of the challenges that you need to build strong vehicles, as a balance of speed/offence etc. It really does work later in the game, but It is certainly very frustrating at times. But really it is part of the game that you use stronger designs for some missions.
Apparantly the end of the game suggests this to be the case. That's all i know on the matter though. I doubt they'd modify the engine to this extent and to this refinement, without wanting to make more use of it. And I think out of the interest of both parties, they will make, as you suggest, a Banjo with new and traditional elements.
Just got my 30th Trophy
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Jonsoncao said:
Go to the crane in the lake, climb to the top, and activate that fucker with the wrench.
KILLIN IT.
1cesc said:
Every four trophies gets a Jiggie.
EricDiesel said:
I have to say, I've haven't been this convinced I was playing a AAA game in a very long time. It's so polished, so innovative, so gorgeous, so deep.
It's fucking spectacular.
dirtmonkey37
flinging feces ---->
Mifune said:
I know, me too. Both this and Viva Pinata have lost me many hours--they're both so addictive, time just flies by.
I'm actually disgusted by the 6/10 reviews I've seen, especially Gametrailer's recent review. I think how much you enjoy the game depends on how much you enjoy the vehicle creation aspect.
In fact, the game would have been better if they eliminated pre-set blueprints altogether, coercing the player to create vehicles for the individual challenges themselves (and then making their own blueprints). Relying on Humba's blueprints isn't any fun (well, it is, but nowhere near as fun as making vehicles on your own).
BenjaminBirdie said:
I couldn't agree more. This is just so fresh--I wish everyone could see that.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Did anyone push the cow(?) off the top of Nutty Acres? :lol
VGChampion
Member
Mifune said:
Yeah, you wouldn't believe how long it took me to do it. I thought I had to get under the vehicle and almost flip it to get the coconut out. Didn't realize it wasn't a real "tray".
Psychotext
Member
Nooo... my ball creation was a failure. I just couldn't get it round enough.
BUT I WILL NOT GIVE UP! :lol
BUT I WILL NOT GIVE UP! :lol
BobFromPikeCreek
Member
I got first place on the challenge where you have to cook an egg for Klungo!
Either no one's playing this game or I'm badass because I've got tons of scores in the top 10.
Either no one's playing this game or I'm badass because I've got tons of scores in the top 10.
Psychotext
Member
I have no top 10s.BobFromPikeCreek said:
Woffls said:There's a mission in Logbox where you have to take a shell thing up to the top, then down some pipes of water. That mission is hardcore for building something good. It's gotta get to the top quickly, then turn into a submarine
Or just swim with the tablet by yourself without any vehicles.
Worked fine with me.Fantastical
Death Prophet
This is certainly one of the best experiences I've had this gen. I think one of the main reasons I love the game is that I love games with really expansive an interesting hub world. Although, I'm not sure if I would call Showdown Town a hub world, really.
Such an enjoyable game. Although, I wish there were other ways to earn jiggies inside levels. I miss finding a hidden jiggy or something of that nature. I wish that challenges weren't the main focus.
Such an enjoyable game. Although, I wish there were other ways to earn jiggies inside levels. I miss finding a hidden jiggy or something of that nature. I wish that challenges weren't the main focus.
Man, playing this game makes me feel nauseous, but then I check my watch and turns out that I had been playing for 8 hours straight. :lol
Kudos to Rare for not artificially limiting the boxes and you can actually get them if you try hard enough (e.g stacking boxes) . I got some sweet sweet flappable wings and grenade launcher eventhough i only still have 12 jiggies.
Kudos to Rare for not artificially limiting the boxes and you can actually get them if you try hard enough (e.g stacking boxes) . I got some sweet sweet flappable wings and grenade launcher eventhough i only still have 12 jiggies.
gnarkill bill
Member
Maybe not of all time but its definitely very underrated. It kinda bothers me because it feels like RARE has put so much effort into it and its not getting the appreciation it deserves.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
:O In what level did you find it?1cesc said:
Not sure if it's the most underrated game of all time, but certainly this gen. It's extremely addictive. I played it most of today. It's just so fun and enjoyable. Lots of humor and jokes and its one of the best looking games of all time, IMO. I mean, flying over Nutty Acres and seeing the beautiful, shining water, and the volcano smoking in the distance...Oliver.S said:
I just love it. Can't wait until Thanksgiving break! This will take up most of that.
Woffls
Member
It's unfair that Rare, an esteemed developer, can put so much effort into a game, and make a true masterpeice, and still have hardly anyone appreciating just what they've achieved. Hopefully the $40 price point will be enough to get some people to buy it, this one could be a slow burner. I just hope it sells reasonably well, because Rare deserve it, they really do.
I just finished building a flight of stairs that can fly ;p
I just finished building a flight of stairs that can fly ;p
Outtrigger888
Member
The music in nutty acres reminds me of pee wees big adventure, im loving everything about this game, I havnt touched gears or call of duty since I put this in my console.
Ya theres hidden jiggys in showdown town if you platform to certain areas.
Ya theres hidden jiggys in showdown town if you platform to certain areas.
rollingstart
Banned
How do Banjo nuts and bolt and XBLA connect? like, isn't that that whole stop and swoop thing?
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Outtrigger888 said:
Holy shit, really? I found the "hack" for one at the top of you know where. Are there more like that?
What a game!!