The English Conquistador
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Well that escalated quickly.
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The Official Bourne 5 Production Thread: Renner Not Welcomed
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Well that escalated quickly.
The Artisan
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yes.
oh, I get it now. you're just a hater. and haters gon' hate
not really..the message just got clearer. it's not like he was attacking me personally
Fancy Clown
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Makin me wanna rewatch the OG trilogy. What's yall's favorite Bourne movie? I gotta go with Ultimatum for the setpieces and ending. Identity was always my second favorite, and for some reason I never really liked Supremacy that much but that's the one I've seen the least and I know a lot of people like that one the best so I'm curious to see if my feelings on it have changed when I revisit it.
Super excited for the new one, obviously. Is it just titled "Bourne" or is that a working title and it's getting a title in line with the others?
Super excited for the new one, obviously. Is it just titled "Bourne" or is that a working title and it's getting a title in line with the others?
It's a working title. The film will probably get a final name later on.
stn
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Identity is my favorite, it gets the "cold Euro thriller" vibe the best. But I think the first three are all amazing. Wasn't too big on Legacy because it felt like more of a typical action movie. It was okay and very watchable, but the fact that I haven't re-watched it is telling. And I've seen the first three Bourne flicks toooooooo many times.
Fancy Clown
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The only thing I like about Legacy is that part of it is set in the NIH which I live almost right next to
I almost feel the same.
I haven't seen the whole movie in one go, but the start is really good. But right now, what I like most is, that it is set in Manila, Philippines.
My thought has always been that Supremacy has the best plot, Ultimatum has the best action, and Identity is the best overall package.
Jason's Ultimatum
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I wonder if Joan Allen will be back? Im not sure if it was stated Bourne 5 has nothing to do with legacy? Completely separated.
she would've been announced by now id figure.
she would've been announced by now id figure.
The Artisan
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best fight scene, ever.
she was an important character in ultimatum, so it would make sense for her to be back in 5. the ending of legacy pissed me off though because it made it look like everything she accomplished was for nothing.
I don't think it is completely separate to Lecagy. They are still in the same universe etc. after all.
Weren't she in Legacy? I can't remember.
I should really go through the movies again tonight.
Oveja Negra
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I got the same vibe for that part, like they used to be in a relationship (in love, fuck buddies, whatever).
Anyways, I can't wait. Bourne Trilogy is damn great from start to finish.
Miles Quaritch
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Still love how more skilled the agents he fights get throughout the trilogy. He's nowhere near the top bog by the end of the trilogy.
Will be very interesting to see how they approach this. He's clearly been upping his game based on the still...
Jason's Ultimatum
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Damon said he saw legacy, and said something along the lines of legacy making it hard for Bourne to come back. And Gilroy pretty much retroactively ruined the ending to ultimatum.
otoh, in legacy, Bourne is considered a fugitive, and in Bourne 5, Greek authorities seems to have found Bourne.
The Artisan
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bog?
desh seemed stronger, faster, and of course younger but bourne was more experienced.
I don't know about you but that really fucking pissed me off.
The English Conquistador
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Yeah, I can't wait for them to potentially/likely elaborate on exactly what it was and maybe...continue it?
yes.
oh, I get it now. you're just a hater. and haters gon' hate
not really..the message just got clearer. it's not like he was attacking me personally
Didn't suggest it was an attack, just found it odd to say she could fuck off.
The Artisan
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word, my bad
Jason's Ultimatum
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yup, he did. Probably payback for what greengrass did to his script, lol.
as for desh, the DVD commentary mentions that Desh was a younger, faster, and stronger assassin. Desh represented the new while Bourne the old.
Jason's Ultimatum
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eh, a bit of hyperbole on my part. I liked her character, but I like it when Bourne is on his own. Makes it more intimate when the viewer is following him alone, like in supremacy. Not so much in ultimatum.
The Artisan
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what did gilroy have to do with ultimatum?
yeah I remember that, and that's exactly how it felt with watching the fight.
The Artisan
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supremacy was really the only movie where bourne was in solitude, and that might be why I think it was the best in the series but - I also like nicky, and I want(ed) to see her and bourne's relationship uncover further. I hope they do that in 5.
I also wonder...if they're gonna continue naming the movies after the books.
Jason's Ultimatum
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The Artisan
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did gilroy pen the script for supremacy?
what I loved about supremacy had to be the end-car chase. bourne had a bullet in him, but he still had this sense of emergence where he's literally thinking..."I have to get to this Russian girl to tell her the truth even if it's the last fucking thing I'm going to do."
it was intense, and thrilling. the other part that I found fantastic was the anonymous call he gave to the cia when pamela was running things when he happened to just be on the opposite building and telling pam that nicky was "standing right next to you"
chilling, man.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Gilroy penned all the films, except for 5. In ultimatum he submitted one draft and that's it.
Gilroy is very stubborn, and says his scripts are hard to fuck with. Original plot for supremacy was Bourne and Marie being chased in India, and Marie killed by a bus driver. Bourne beats the shit out of the driver and gets thrown in prison. There, he would meet both friends and enemies. Eventually he escspes, and that's where the journey of atonement begins. Gilroy said supremacy was going to be his The Searchers.
Greengrass came on board, got rid of the majority of the script, and rewrote it soon before filming began.
also, Damon and Greengrass didn't like gilroys original ending to supremacy, which is on the DVD where Bourne is in the military hospital. While filming oceans 12, Damon went to the writer to come up with a better ending, which is what we got in the final film. The newer ending scored 10 points higher.
Gilroy is very stubborn, and says his scripts are hard to fuck with. Original plot for supremacy was Bourne and Marie being chased in India, and Marie killed by a bus driver. Bourne beats the shit out of the driver and gets thrown in prison. There, he would meet both friends and enemies. Eventually he escspes, and that's where the journey of atonement begins. Gilroy said supremacy was going to be his The Searchers.
Greengrass came on board, got rid of the majority of the script, and rewrote it soon before filming began.
also, Damon and Greengrass didn't like gilroys original ending to supremacy, which is on the DVD where Bourne is in the military hospital. While filming oceans 12, Damon went to the writer to come up with a better ending, which is what we got in the final film. The newer ending scored 10 points higher.
Praise George Nolfi for that ending, i was kind of hoping he would came back to 5
Miles Quaritch
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Dog, I meant dog.
That Bourne won because of experience of that Desh was strong and faster?
Jason's Ultimatum
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Well, like I said, legacy was its own universe, even though its a sequel to ultimatum. Matt Damon confirms this, but doesn't entirely rule out a crossover:
http://m.torontosun.com/2015/09/13/tiff-2015-matt-damon-talks-bourne-5-and-jeremy-renner-crossover
Damon even says the timeline would be an issue. Ultimatum and legacy takes place in 2004. Bourne 5 takes place 11 years later.
http://m.torontosun.com/2015/09/13/tiff-2015-matt-damon-talks-bourne-5-and-jeremy-renner-crossover
Damon even says the timeline would be an issue. Ultimatum and legacy takes place in 2004. Bourne 5 takes place 11 years later.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
I always assumed Legacy took place in the year it released
John Kowalski
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this is one my favorite scenes
especially because of those fucking silly hats, i mean come on you're not a chef you're a soldier
especially because of those fucking silly hats, i mean come on you're not a chef you're a soldier
Jason's Ultimatum
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legacy runs concurrent with ultimatum. They even show scenes from ultimatum happening in legacy.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
I always thought they were flashbacks
fucking hell, I need to rewatch Legacy
The Artisan
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is this in reference to the last part of my post? I was pissed how the end of legacy undid all the accomplishments pamela got at the end of ultimatum.
I don't get it, where in that article does it state legacy is its own universe/not canon to the original trilogy? all it is is damon saying a movie with both of the protagonists not likely
the only thing I really liked from the first movie was the boat scene and the lack of goddamn shaky cam.
for most of it maybe but the movie did end with the media scrutinizing on pamela so in the end, it happens after ultimatum.
Jason's Ultimatum
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He basically said legacy is its own mythology, and didn't want mess with what they did. He couldn't have made it any more clear that legacy and his Bourne films are doing their separate things.
and yeah, you're right. Before cross and shearing get on the plane for manilla, the ending of ultimatum happens, as shown on the tv screen.
and yeah, you're right. Before cross and shearing get on the plane for manilla, the ending of ultimatum happens, as shown on the tv screen.
The Artisan
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what exactly does this mean though? that it isn't canon to the original trilogy? so bourne 5 is just gonna pick up from how ultimatum ended and the events of legacy did not take place in it?
and noah vosen somehow convinces the supreme court that he ain't guilty despite everything bourne & pam exposed of him & the cia. i get that they did that because they want to draw out the story of exposing them more, but it is fucking stupid.
Jason's Ultimatum
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I thought it was known at this point that Bourne 5 was a direct sequel to Ultimatum, and not legacy?
The Artisan
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the fact that we have legacy in between makes it complicated and raises questions. if the events of legacy took place in the same universe as the original trilogy (instead of being an alternate timeline) then for all intents and purposes, bourne 5 is a followup to legacy just as much as ultimatum, just as legacy was to ultimatum.
The Artisan
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well, legacy did suck.
Smokey_Run
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Legacy attempted to retcon the other movies, so I'd prefer it to be ignored.
The Artisan
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what? how was legacy an attempt to retcon ultimatum? as someone said, some of the events of ultimatum were shown in legacy and the ending of ultimatum is followed up & addressed upon in legacy too
Jason's Ultimatum
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Didn't retcon the entire trilogy, but it definitely retconned ultimatum's ending.
The Artisan
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didn't you just say that some of the events of ultimatum were shown in legacy?
the way I interpreted legacy's ending is that the uncovering of blackbriar pamela did in ultimatum ended up backfiring on her. I don't see how it retcons what happened in ultimatum; the only way for legacy end the way it did is for the events of ultimatum to have happened in the first place.
Smokey_Run
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I don't remember any hints to Bourne being on chems in the first three films and then all of a sudden it's implied he was on chems and his body was just able to manage without being tested out or whatever Renner was trying to do in that movie. All the work Landy and Bourne did was essentially undone if you see the news report in the one scene. Maybe retcon was the wrong word, but it definitely fucked with shit from the first three films when it was completely unnecessary.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Uh, yeah. Paz sniping Ross at waterloo, and vosen's right hand man calling bryer that Bourne was in new York.
and legacy did recon ultimatum's ending. In ultimatum landy faxed the black briar documents that would've revealed all the Americans and foreign targets that were illegal killed, and how the cia were conducting illegal operations. Ultimatum had anti-bush tones. In fact, the first two do, too.
at the end of legacy, vosen testifies saying they prevented landy from letting the documents get into the wrong hands, and how they stopped the fax.
I mean, seriously, how do you magically stop a fax? "better get yourself a good lawyer, vosen."
and vosen and heirsh all arrested according to the news Nicky was watching.
and legacy did recon ultimatum's ending. In ultimatum landy faxed the black briar documents that would've revealed all the Americans and foreign targets that were illegal killed, and how the cia were conducting illegal operations. Ultimatum had anti-bush tones. In fact, the first two do, too.
at the end of legacy, vosen testifies saying they prevented landy from letting the documents get into the wrong hands, and how they stopped the fax.
I mean, seriously, how do you magically stop a fax? "better get yourself a good lawyer, vosen."
and vosen and heirsh all arrested according to the news Nicky was watching.
Jason's Ultimatum
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I can't tell if it was implied Bourne was on some kind of pills. I think it was frank Marshall during the filming of legacy it was possible, because in identity, before the professor dies, he said, "treadstone said pills...they said go to Paris.."
either way, I don't think Bourne was on any kind of meds. He and others were just very skilled and brainwashed.
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