Pixel Pete
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luoapp said:
It's in my camera bag.
So yeah, that's a very valid point. I think I just really like prime lenses
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It's in my camera bag.
So yeah, that's a very valid point. I think I just really like prime lenses
Pixel Pete said:Yeah unfortunately I know APS-C is limiting for me.
I'm comfortable stitching panorama's, I'm just not sure how willing I am. I'll be spending months after a trip just editting
The fisheye examples look great, but I get the impression it's a bit niche. I want to be able to use a wide angle lens for other things where possible.
I'm thinking a 28mm will overcome the APS-C enough to take decent landscape photographs and still keep my wallet in one piece afterwards. Heck, I can grab one on ebay for $85 just for poops and giggles...
Well you should get it if its that cheap. You can still use the 28mm to take panorama photo sets. A small 28mm lens has its advantages. Really you are not going to find a prime lens wider than 28mm that cost less than $200 so go right ahead.
I am still waiting for the Nikon adapter for my NEX body. When I do I will stick an old 28mm AIS lens on it and that will be my everyday camera for a while.
BlueTsunami
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Pixel Pete said:It's in my camera bag.
So yeah, that's a very valid point. I think I just really like prime lenses
I don't have a wide lens for my APS-C Rebel XT but its kit lens does help in that regard. Its pretty much been relegated to being a 18mm lens. I'm not sure how the Alpha zoom is but I just set my own kit to f/5.6-8 and snap away.
As far as wide prime offerings, there's the Samyang 14/2.8 that should give you around a 20mm Angle of View. It has complicated wave distortion but that shouldn't be a big issue for natural landscapes. It goes for $419 though but its nearly best in class at 14mm (along with legendary lenses like the Nikon 14-24G)
reggieandTFE
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I have an EP3 and think the micro 4/3 system is a great compromise between lens and body size and sensor size. It also has by far the best lens lineup of all the mirrorless systems.Seth C said:
I would highly recommend picking up the G3 at that price and then getting the Lumix 20mm lens when you get a chance. It's small, takes amazingly sharp photos and is great for low light situations.
Pixel Pete
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BlueTsunami said:
yeah the image quality on my kit lens would have to be terrible for me to justify a $400 lens when im saving for a holiday. I need to get home from work and do some tests.
It's funny, because I've used my kit lens before, but just learning and taking shots everywhere, never looking at it like a wide lens (at least, wider than my 50 prime and wide enough to take decent landscape shots)
Got one since it launched and I'm more than happy with it. Great sensor on par with the one found in the flagship model GH2. Build-in electronic viewfinder, it's an expensive add-on for many mirror-less cameras and it's essential when shooting outside in bright sunlight. The cam offers prolly the best bang for buck in the whole m4/3 range.Seth C said:
Check out some reviews:
http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/content/Panasonic-G3-Digital-Camera-Review.htm
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/PanasonicDMCG3/
Does anyone here have the Passport Sling by Lowepro? I need a low profile camera bag to walk around with my camera and it seemed nice and with a good price (aprox. 60 dollars).
However, it seems a bit feminine.
What do you guys think? Also, would you suggest another low profile (and not too expensive) camera shoulder/sling bag?
I know about the Think Tank Retrospective and the Lowepro Classified but they are too pricey (120~160 dollars, depending on the model).
However, it seems a bit feminine.
What do you guys think? Also, would you suggest another low profile (and not too expensive) camera shoulder/sling bag?
I know about the Think Tank Retrospective and the Lowepro Classified but they are too pricey (120~160 dollars, depending on the model).
345triangle
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those lenses are kind of big for a 2.7x crop sensor, surely? they don't look any smaller than micro four thirds stuff.
So Gaf, I'm planning to upgrade to a new DLSR.
I currently shoot with a Pentax K-x, and I'm planning on selling this camera and Possibly my MacbookPro for the upgrade.
I've been eyeing the Nikon D7000 quite a bit, and my friend recommends something a bit cheaper and just to invest on a second lens -- recommends the D5100.
Now, I've tinkered with Nikons and Canons here and there, and ultimately I love how Nikons feel and work over Canons.
However, I would like to get into shooting video. I've dabbled for fun and personal projects, but I'd like to get serious about it. The thing that kills me with Nikon is the video options and features.. I don't mind the 24/30 fps deal... But Canons offerings in the video department speak to me quite a bit. So besides those 2 cameras, I'm also eyeing the Canon 60D.
Guide me gaf, should some lacking features on a camera deter me from one brand to another? Am I just being silly about this? Also, what are some similar cameras to the 60D in terms of power but priced lower? (Forgive me if my rambling is off, I need sleep)
I currently shoot with a Pentax K-x, and I'm planning on selling this camera and Possibly my MacbookPro for the upgrade.
I've been eyeing the Nikon D7000 quite a bit, and my friend recommends something a bit cheaper and just to invest on a second lens -- recommends the D5100.
Now, I've tinkered with Nikons and Canons here and there, and ultimately I love how Nikons feel and work over Canons.
However, I would like to get into shooting video. I've dabbled for fun and personal projects, but I'd like to get serious about it. The thing that kills me with Nikon is the video options and features.. I don't mind the 24/30 fps deal... But Canons offerings in the video department speak to me quite a bit. So besides those 2 cameras, I'm also eyeing the Canon 60D.
Guide me gaf, should some lacking features on a camera deter me from one brand to another? Am I just being silly about this? Also, what are some similar cameras to the 60D in terms of power but priced lower? (Forgive me if my rambling is off, I need sleep)
opticalmace
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^ wow, big difference!
aorange999
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iamcenok said:
If you are serious about getting into video there are really not too many options. The best looking video shooting DSLR is still the Canon 5d mk2, and arguably the best SLR- type camera for shooting video is the Panasonic GH2.
I have a GH1 (hacked) with 14-140mm and a few other lenses and a 5dmk2 with kit 24-105mm lens just purchased a month ago. TBH the ease of use shooting video with the Panasonic is unparallel for run and gun shooting - continuous autofocus and no limit to recording time etc. If I have time to set up a shot and a chance at multiple takes at it then the 5D is the way to go. The price difference is significant however and I wouldn't recommend the 5D for a dabbler.
I just got this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/170693512966?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
What film can I use with it? (What exact Impossible Film, please?) Thanks.
What film can I use with it? (What exact Impossible Film, please?) Thanks.
Instigator
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tino said:LOL @ the pink lens. These Nikon EVIL look way too close to GF2/3
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I like the look of the white/silver body + pancake combo, that's the only nice thing I have to offer.
They are actually going to put a giant "1" on the production camera?
The V1 is a step in the right direction as an overall camera. IQ, from the few samples I've seen, is more than acceptable.
But pricing and lack of controls are disappointing. It feels like Nikon are not really trying to reduce body and particularly lens sizes. It's like they do it on purpose... like Sony.
345triangle
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at least sony has an excuse based on the laws of physics!
Ugh. Can't help but feel that they're being protective of their dslr market so they didn't want to put an APS-C in there. The thing is about the same size as other mirror less bodies but has a much smaller sensor.
Here's a sample iso 400 shot. It's got that P&S feel like the Canon G12. http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/acil/bodies/v1/img/sample/img_02_l.jpg
Seth C said:
I like mine a lot. Has more of a DSLR feel than some of the really compact rangefinder styles, and has a nice scattering of real buttons for quickly changing settings etc. I had it with the 14-140 for a while which is a big, heavy lens but a great combination with good reach. But now I'm back with the kit which is fine too.
MaizeRage25
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Anyone have any recommendations for a good card reader to transfer photos?
Instigator said:
The IQ is not better than 4/3. It's basically what you expected.
I think both the 10X zoom and the kit zoom are alot smaller than the NEX versions, and better looking than the m4/3 versions. If a P&S user wants to buy a "nice travel camera", they are slightly better than the Sony combos.
But its a dead platform. You can't grow from it. I wouldn't recommand it to any male or young person.
They remind me of the Minolta Vectis APS film system, anybody remember those.
radios shipping overview
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Nice-looking cameras, colossally dull announcement. Just like the Pentax Q.
There's not even a proper (P/A/S/M) mode dial or command dial on the back.
There's not even a proper (P/A/S/M) mode dial or command dial on the back.
opticalmace
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Could someone tell me about the advantages/disadvantages of a full-frame camera versus an APS-C?
As far as I can tell:
APS-C is lighter, cheaper, better magnification (?)
full-frame collects more light, is heavier, more expensive, better DOF?
Apologies if this is fairly incorrect!
As far as I can tell:
APS-C is lighter, cheaper, better magnification (?)
full-frame collects more light, is heavier, more expensive, better DOF?
Apologies if this is fairly incorrect!
reggieandTFE
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It's pretty sad that the one pancake Nikon announce is physically larger and slower than Panasonic 14mm lens. It will be even sadder when this system outsells micro 4/3 3:1 in the US :/
opticalmace said:
Full frame generally has lower noise ratios at a given ISO than a crop sensor. Look at that ISO 400 pic from the new nikon tiny sensor. NOISE.
Better magnification, not exactly. It is a CROP sensor. Meaning, the same image is hitting the sensor as with a full frame. Magnification is a function of the lens. People will often say 35mm or full frame equivalent when discussing lenses for a crop sensor. Field of view is what really changes with a crop sensor. Try overlaying an image on that sensor comparison graphic to see what is really happening. The level of zoom stays the same but you are throwing out the edges of the pic and only capturing the center. In most cases, on consumer level lenses this is a good thing as edge performance on cheap lenses is notoriously bad.
What this means in the real world is that you will often have to be farther back from your subject to frame it on a crop sensor, which effects DOF and perspective. So people generally get wider angle lenses on a crop camera, that also effects DOF. I don't know the exact formula offhand but you have something like:
Code:
focal length of lens x distance to subject x aperture = DOFThis stays the same regardless of sensor size, what changes on a crop sensor is the focal length and the distance to subject.
opticalmace said:
I think one of the main disadvantages for the mid-level enthusiast is that a lot of the best value new lenses are APS-C only.
For example, in Sony-land the 35mm f/1.8, 50mm f/1.8, 85mm f/2.8, 16-50mm f/2.8 SSM, and 18-250mm superzoom are all APS-C lenses. Same is true for some of the desirable third party lenses like Tamron kit, Rokinon fisheye, Rokinon 85mm f/1.4, etc.
With the exception of the 35mm f/1.8, which would be equivalent to the full frame 50mm f/1.7 (which is actually cheaper), you're not going to find an equivalent lens without paying a lot more.
Now, it's true that you can still use those lenses on full frame bodies and crop the images, but if you're going to do that, then why bother with the bulkier and more expensive body?
That said, pro-level lenses are still full frame, so if you don't mind dropping huge, expensive lenses then it's mostly a moot point.
chaostrophy
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Seth C said:
G3 is tempting but I'm waiting for the rumored high-end GF-series camera. Basically I want something like the NEX7 in m4/3 format, to replace my LX3.
I think the Canon S100 looks like a winner! I loved the S95, and if I were to get a compact that would be it.
Great manual controls for a pocket sized camera, great IQ with RAW, and f/2.0.
The S100 brings in a CMOS sensor, which is hopefully better (Canon normally do CCD on their pocket cameras, so we'll see how it goes), a wider angle and longer telephoto zoom, and the new Digic 5 processor.
I'm very keen to see how this reviews!
In other news, my Canon EOS Photo5 box arrived today!
In short, it's an assignment competition held by Canon. They send out boxes with mysterious items, and a list of 5 assignments to use the items.
I don't think I really have a shot judging from my own (lack of) talent and the calibre of past entries, but it should be fun!
Check out the website and the cool video:
www.canon.co.nz/en-nz/worldofeos/photo5/home
Great manual controls for a pocket sized camera, great IQ with RAW, and f/2.0.
The S100 brings in a CMOS sensor, which is hopefully better (Canon normally do CCD on their pocket cameras, so we'll see how it goes), a wider angle and longer telephoto zoom, and the new Digic 5 processor.
I'm very keen to see how this reviews!
In other news, my Canon EOS Photo5 box arrived today!
In short, it's an assignment competition held by Canon. They send out boxes with mysterious items, and a list of 5 assignments to use the items.
I don't think I really have a shot judging from my own (lack of) talent and the calibre of past entries, but it should be fun!
Check out the website and the cool video:
www.canon.co.nz/en-nz/worldofeos/photo5/home
aorange999 said:
Well first and foremost, I do graphic design, and I shoot stock photos, but I want to upgrade to something a bit more powerful. The 5D mk.II is way out of my price range. Definitely too much camera for me. (as much as I'd love to own one or a Mk.III, just because) But Shooting video would be a plus. I was just eyeing Canons because their cameras are quite a bit better than Nikons in regard to video.
golem said:
As I mentioned up there, I'm mostly looking for a better DSLR than what I currently have. Video would just be icing on the cake, but due to the features that Canon has available.. I'm researching both brands.
I'm just trying to decide if I'm being silly, because Nikons offerings are good enough, but do I want to justify getting a canon just for a feature or two that Nikon doesn't offer?
Well let me ask, briefly, are there any opinions of owners of the aforementioned cameras?
I don't want anything in depth just some thoughts and or pros/cons
EDIT: I decided to just go for a D5100.
Anybody on here own one? Thoughts.
chaostrophy said:
Hell yes, GH7 is what I want to see but that's gonna be sometime in early 2012 at best.
I find the M4/3rds mount to be exciting because its such a fast growing market and there is already 3rd party support coming in the forms of Sigma and Samyang with more to come?
Lens for olympus and panasonic are interchangeable and the performance ain't bad for the size at all!
I got a NEX-3 recently. I was cruising ebay one night and was randomly throwing NEX-3 and NEX-5 auctions to gixen in case I can catch a good deal.
I came across a gazelle auction that listed a "good" condition NEX-3 body for $310. Nowadays you pretty much can find a new NEX-3
body for $300 if you look hard. I noticed it has a "make your offer" option so just
for fun I made a lowball offer of $225. To my surprise I got the "offer accepted" email 1 second later. I realized they set a very low accepted price for this camera. I felt a little bit dumb afterward. I should have lowballed gazelle from $200! Hell I should have make an alternate account to test the bottom line.
So, I ended up joining the mirrorless army sooner than I expected. Choosing NEX was
a no-brainer for me. The whole world knew Nikon was going to release a (useless) 2.5X format EVIL, which turned out to be a 2.7X format. Canon, being so successful in the entry level DSLR market, has even less incentive to release an APS-C mirrorless camera to confuse its traditional "Rebel" buyers. So there is no way Canon will release a 1.6X EVIL that can adapt to their EOS lenses seamlessly. As for the Fujifilm 1.5X EVIL rumor.... I haven't heard enough "credible" rumor. Plus I am pretty sure I can't afford a Fuji system even if they commit to a 1.5X system.
The camera arrived. Besides the scratched shutter button and the bottom, everything looks find. The testing photos I took looked fine. I haven't test its ISO limit yet, but I think I won't go over 800 very often for this body.
Since I don't plan to buy any ugly NEX lenses so I ordered a Nikon NEX/G adopter right away. I got the version that has a tripod mount on ebay. I have played with it for two days so I thought I would post some hands on comment.
For Nikon lenses that have aperture rings, you just have to set the aperture ring on the adapter to open and set aperture on the lens itself. On new lenses that don't have aperture rings, you have to control it from the adapter. However the aperture ring is stepless. From wide open to the smallest aperture only turns a narrow 30-40 degree. I am going to have to put a sticker there and make my own aperture marks.
Here is how it look with an AIS 50mm 1.8 (the most "pancake" like Nikon AIS)
And on the 11-16 Tokina.
What has surprised so far me was how easy it was to MF with the LCD. I thought it was going to be like using MF lens on a low end DSLR with a small pentamirror. Actually it has been very easy. Probably not quite focusing on a split-screen MF SLR easy. But its damn close. I can hit the "zoom in" MF assist button and fine tune it. The only problem I have is that I can't map the zoom-in function to the soft button next to the shutter. I have to map it to the button in the lower right corner. The articulate LCD has been very useful as well. I still don't think I need it for composing, but its very useful for fine tuning the focus point.
There are a couple bonus for composing with LCD I didn't realized. You get actual bokeh preview no matter what aperture you are in; unlike looking thru the pentaprism and the lens, the dynamic range of the LCD is closer to the final output (web/print). So the preview is more accurate.
Overall this is one hell of a toy I get for $200. I have no doubt I will get a NEX-5n next year. I quickly ordered a 3rd party battery that's compatible to both the NEX-3 and the 5n.
Here are a couple more samples.
I came across a gazelle auction that listed a "good" condition NEX-3 body for $310. Nowadays you pretty much can find a new NEX-3
body for $300 if you look hard. I noticed it has a "make your offer" option so just
for fun I made a lowball offer of $225. To my surprise I got the "offer accepted" email 1 second later. I realized they set a very low accepted price for this camera. I felt a little bit dumb afterward. I should have lowballed gazelle from $200! Hell I should have make an alternate account to test the bottom line.
So, I ended up joining the mirrorless army sooner than I expected. Choosing NEX was
a no-brainer for me. The whole world knew Nikon was going to release a (useless) 2.5X format EVIL, which turned out to be a 2.7X format. Canon, being so successful in the entry level DSLR market, has even less incentive to release an APS-C mirrorless camera to confuse its traditional "Rebel" buyers. So there is no way Canon will release a 1.6X EVIL that can adapt to their EOS lenses seamlessly. As for the Fujifilm 1.5X EVIL rumor.... I haven't heard enough "credible" rumor. Plus I am pretty sure I can't afford a Fuji system even if they commit to a 1.5X system.
The camera arrived. Besides the scratched shutter button and the bottom, everything looks find. The testing photos I took looked fine. I haven't test its ISO limit yet, but I think I won't go over 800 very often for this body.
Since I don't plan to buy any ugly NEX lenses so I ordered a Nikon NEX/G adopter right away. I got the version that has a tripod mount on ebay. I have played with it for two days so I thought I would post some hands on comment.
For Nikon lenses that have aperture rings, you just have to set the aperture ring on the adapter to open and set aperture on the lens itself. On new lenses that don't have aperture rings, you have to control it from the adapter. However the aperture ring is stepless. From wide open to the smallest aperture only turns a narrow 30-40 degree. I am going to have to put a sticker there and make my own aperture marks.
Here is how it look with an AIS 50mm 1.8 (the most "pancake" like Nikon AIS)
And on the 11-16 Tokina.
What has surprised so far me was how easy it was to MF with the LCD. I thought it was going to be like using MF lens on a low end DSLR with a small pentamirror. Actually it has been very easy. Probably not quite focusing on a split-screen MF SLR easy. But its damn close. I can hit the "zoom in" MF assist button and fine tune it. The only problem I have is that I can't map the zoom-in function to the soft button next to the shutter. I have to map it to the button in the lower right corner. The articulate LCD has been very useful as well. I still don't think I need it for composing, but its very useful for fine tuning the focus point.
There are a couple bonus for composing with LCD I didn't realized. You get actual bokeh preview no matter what aperture you are in; unlike looking thru the pentaprism and the lens, the dynamic range of the LCD is closer to the final output (web/print). So the preview is more accurate.
Overall this is one hell of a toy I get for $200. I have no doubt I will get a NEX-5n next year. I quickly ordered a 3rd party battery that's compatible to both the NEX-3 and the 5n.
Here are a couple more samples.
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