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The Official Formula 1 2010/2011 Off-Season Thread

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Goldrusher

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Code:
 1  N. Heidfeld	      Lotus-Renault	1:20.361 	-	 76 
 2  F. Alonso	      Ferrari		1:20.493 	+0.132	109 
 3  M. Schumacher     Mercedes		1:21.054 	+0.693	 97 
 4  L. Hamilton	      McLaren		1:21.099 	+0.738 	 30 
 5  K. Kobayashi      Sauber		1:21.242 	+0.881	 82 
 6  S. Vettel	      Red Bull		1:21.574 	+1.213	 87 
 7  S. Buemi	      Toro Rosso	1:21.681 	+1.320	 80 
 8  R. Barrichello    Williams		1:22.227 	+1.866	 78 
 9  H. Kovalainen     Team Lotus	1:22.793 	+2.432 	 50 
10  P. Di Resta       Force India	1:22.945 	+2.584 	 58  
11  J. d'Ambrosio     Marussia Virgin	1:25.471 	+5.110	 72

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mclaren777

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brotkasten said:
Any other complains about the new Pirelli and the extra buttons?

Jenson Button
“I’d just started my quick lap on the tyre. And because the tyre is so soft, that’s it, it’s done. So we came in and went out again and it wasn’t a massively quick lap.”

According to Button the difference in performance with the Pirelli tyres is greater than it was with Bridgestone – which he thinks will be good for racing:

“We tried the different tyres which has been interesting. There are big difference from the hard to the medium, to the soft, to the super-soft.

“The difference is in terms of lap time but also in terms of durability and degradation. So it’s going to be fun for racing.

“I know that the soft is changing considerably but the other tyres are staying pretty much the same. I think what everyone wanted is tyres that are very different and there a pretty big gap between the different positions of tyres.

“The viewers will know and we all know the differences between the tyres and I think it’s good to see that on the circuit.”

He added: “I’ve heard that people are finding a second from soft to super-soft tyres, half a second between soft and medium, and half a second between medium and hard.

“There’s a lot of difference between the tyres and if you run one one day and you run it the next day you’ll see a big difference in pace and competitiveness. It’s very difficult to know – I haven’t got a clue where we are, really.”

Adrian Sutil
“Yeah it was no problem. It’s a good tyre for one lap.

“Sometimes you probably lose a little bit in the last sector, already, so you have a very good first and second sector, the last one drops away, but it’s still a lap time improvement.

“It will be interesting how it lasts during a race distance, they’re going to be really, really critical.”

Sutil also tried the revised medium tyre with surprising results:

“Yeah the medium we have is different. It’s very hard, quite a lot harder, and it doesn’t last longer, for some reason.

“So it’s just very slow in the first few laps and the degradation starts very early, still, even with the hard compound. I was not so confident on that tyre and not so happy. it’s just the difference you have between the tyres. It’s pretty big.”
 

Goldrusher

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Today's times...

Code:
Pos  Driver              Car                   Time       Gap       Laps

 1.  Nick Heidfeld       Renault               1m20.361s            86
 2.  Fernando Alonso     Ferrari               1m20.493s  + 0.132s  131
 3.  Michael Schumacher  Mercedes              1m21.054s  + 0.693s  114
 4.  Lewis Hamilton      McLaren-Mercedes      1m21.099s  + 0.738s  36
 5.  Kamui Kobayashi     Sauber-Ferrari        1m21.242s  + 0.881s  84
 6.  Sebastian Vettel    Red Bull-Renault      1m21.574s  + 1.213s  98
 7.  Sebastien Buemi     Toro Rosso-Ferrari    1m21.681s  + 1.320s  92
 8.  Heikki Kovalainen   Lotus-Renault         1m21.711s  + 1.350s  61
 9.  Rubens Barrichello  Williams-Cosworth     1m22.227s  + 1.866s  99
10.  Paul di Resta       Force India-Mercedes  1m22.945s  + 2.584s  64
11.  Jerome D'Ambrosio   Virgin-Cosworth       1m25.471s  + 5.110s  72

All timing unofficial

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89447
 

S. L.

Member
Red Bull and Ferrari look pretty strong so far.
Mercedes and Renault alright and Mclaren is ????? to me.
Williams and Virgin seem to have some trouble
 

navanman

Crown Prince of Custom Firmware
Heidfeld confirmed his drive with todays driving. Consistent lap times and fast when he needed to be for the glory laps.
 

DrM

Redmond's Baby
mclaren777 said:
"Word from McLaren: delays today due to running short on certain parts, so a few quick fixes have been going on in the garage" -- Autosport
It is not good to lose precious track time in nice weather, because team forgot to ship additional parts.

There is also one crazy theory that Mclaren constantly feeds data from Jerez into their simulator and compare 'field' data with data from simulation.
 

Articate

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DrM said:
It is not good to lose precious track time in nice weather, because team forgot to ship additional parts.

There is also one crazy theory that Mclaren constantly feeds data from Jerez into their simulator and compare 'field' data with data from simulation.

This seems like the only logical thing to do. Why wouldn't you check out how accurate your simulation is?
 

AcridMeat

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Glad to see Heidfeld up there. Hope this season is entertaining without Kubi to cheer.

Massa said:
^

That is Kubica's helmet on Alonso's.

Nice gesture from him, hope Kubi can come back with the same skill.
 

Deadman

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Its funny how red bull invented the edges of the nose pinching up at the sides yet now theirs is one of the flattest on the grid.
 

DrM

Redmond's Baby
Nice 20 laps stints from Vettel and Button, tyres died rapidly after 16 laps (2-3 seconds drop)
 

Articate

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It's impossible to gather anything from the tests, pretty much, it seems. Red Bull have had a steadier, but not always at the top, performance so far in testing. Today Rosberg red-flagged the test and hasn't had any or many laps since. Before they were lower, and Schumacher was able to do something with it with his two days, it seems. I don't know how they set up their test, but it would seem logical to have both drivers do the same tests. I'd want to see how my car performed on a qual-lap, but I'd want to see how both drivers do it, to see the differences and know how to make the cars suit the two drivers differently. As an example I know Heidfeld is gentle on the tyres and having had trouble getting the tyres up to optimal temperature before a qual lap.

In light of this I'd say maybe Schumacher is more comfortable in the new car than Rosberg as of yet, but then again, maybe Rosberg was to do his qual lap when he spun off today. All of this makes anything near impossible to say anything about paces of cars. I don't really see why teams wouldn't want to see how their cars work on a qualifying lap, though. Maybe some teams are out using the adjustable back wing on their long runs, too, while others don't, to simulate a race situation where they can't use it. A hundred different ways to approach it all.

I was let down by last year's season from Mercedes perspective (well, the season was pretty boring overall), seen how Brawn GP was a completely dominating car the year before. It just baffles me that Brawn can take the old Honda and make it from being last in the pack to completely blowing the others away. I heard rumors on wind-tunnel data from that car, with people saying it was practically glued to the track and that 'anyone could've won in that thing'. You'd expect the success to atleast have trinkle-down for next season, but suddenly you get a mediocre car. Did Brawn not put his all in it because the Brawn GP was so good? Why can he revolutionize a car one year, but next year have to build on something that's not as good and spend another season to "climb the latter"?

Eh, I don't get it. Still, the way I refined my goals for Schumacher's return last season was this: "Next season he'll start winning races, then in 2012 he'll become champion". Damn, I hope I was right about this season.
 

S. L.

Member
Articate said:
It's impossible to gather anything from the tests, pretty much, it seems.
right now Ferrari and RedBull look waaaaaaaaaaay ahead of everyone else, the question is just who is sandbagging more. (i'd bet my money on RBR as they are notorious sandbaggers)
 
Articate said:
I was let down by last year's season from Mercedes perspective (well, the season was pretty boring overall), seen how Brawn GP was a completely dominating car the year before. It just baffles me that Brawn can take the old Honda and make it from being last in the pack to completely blowing the others away. I heard rumors on wind-tunnel data from that car, with people saying it was practically glued to the track and that 'anyone could've won in that thing'. You'd expect the success to atleast have trinkle-down for next season, but suddenly you get a mediocre car. Did Brawn not put his all in it because the Brawn GP was so good? Why can he revolutionize a car one year, but next year have to build on something that's not as good and spend another season to "climb the latter"?

Brawn's success came from Honda's investment the previous year (and we have to presume as well, the addition of the merc engine). Honda put a ridiculous amount of time, money and resources into building that car - resources that the then Brawn team didn't have to maintain its development throughout the year, or to put into the development of last year's car.
 

Articate

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Foliorum Viridum said:

The races, I mean :) There was a lot of excitement about who would win, and what have you, but it was more about "I wonder which car this track better suits" than exciting races with huge turn-arounds and it all. With the ban of refueling, the races were pretty much just you ended in the place you started.

Except for Schumacher. I watched how many places he grabbed in each start. He averaged on 3 per start. I think it was one race he lost one place, but that was because he almost took 3 in the beginning, but had to back off by a car almost getting in his way. I really wish someone had full statistics on the starts last season.
 

moojito

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Aye, 5 cars in with a shout in the last couple of races. Noone leading the championship winning a race the entire season. What a snooze fest.

edit: gah, clarification was given before I replied!
 
Articate said:
The races, I mean :) There was a lot of excitement about who would win, and what have you, but it was more about "I wonder which car this track better suits" than exciting races with huge turn-arounds and it all. With the ban of refueling, the races were pretty much just you ended in the place you started.

Except for Schumacher. I watched how many places he grabbed in each start. He averaged on 3 per start. I think it was one race he lost one place, but that was because he almost took 3 in the beginning, but had to back off by a car almost getting in his way. I really wish someone had full statistics on the starts last season.
To a degree, I suppose, but 75% of the races had enough drama/incidents to keep me thorougly entertained, regardless.

The new tyres this year really should make things even more exciting, though.
 

SCHUEY F1

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Foliorum Viridum said:
To a degree, I suppose, but 75% of the races had enough drama/incidents to keep me thorougly entertained, regardless.

The new tyres this year really should make things even more exciting, though.

My thoughts as well. When you compare the last few seasons to the years of Schumacher's domination, F1 has been much, much more entertaining of late.
 

S. L.

Member
can't wait when RBR will be putting in their first non-sandbagged quali round which i doubt will happen before the first real quali in Bharain.
collective *GASP* from the crowd :D :D
 

Hammer24

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According to Roberts girlfriend Edyta, speaking to polish tv TVN24, Robert feels "mentally and physically worse".
He will not be moved today, as was originally planned, but earliest on wednesday, to get the next surgery.
:-(
Best wishes!
 

Lucius86

Banned
Hammer24 said:
According to Roberts girlfriend Edyta, speaking to polish tv TVN24, Robert feels "mentally and physically worse".
He will not be moved today, as was originally planned, but earliest on wednesday, to get the next surgery.
:-(
Best wishes!

Not good news. I really hope he gets better fast.
 

rossonero

Member
Goldrusher said:

Awesome pic, so retro. How is the Renault looking this season?

I'm rooting for Vettel, but it would be a boring season if RBR didn't have a couple of real competitors so hopefully McLaren and Ferrari will be up for it.
 

S. L.

Member
rossonero said:
Awesome pic, so retro. How is the Renault looking this season?

I'm rooting for Vettel, but it would be a boring season if RBR didn't have a couple of real competitors so hopefully McLaren and Ferrari will be up for it.
they look solid so far, if Mercedes don't get their shit together they should be ahead of them
 
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