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The Official Formula 1 2010/2011 Off-Season Thread
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mclaren777
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Mclaren also racked up 1165km using the MP4-25 this year, which gave them valuable tire information to help extrapolate performance based on last year's setup database.Goldrusher said:
mclaren777
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Mclaren is still flip-flopping back and forth on their two exhaust layouts.
I'm starting to get nervous. :\
I'm starting to get nervous. :\
Jinjo
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Articate said:
I know I'm doing the opposite than calming your nerves, but this is an excerpt from today's live commentary on autosport.
Also, Martin Brundle gives his take on twitter:
Keyser Soze
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Sky News says Bahrain is canceled, they speculate it could be moved, and be used as the season finale
brotkasten
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Looks like the car sucks, just like last year.Articate said:
ExtraKr1spy
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mclaren777 said:
They better make up their mind fast.
3 testing days to go.
Using the old car for the first test may have been more detrimental to them since the new car is a radical design from the old one so they probably have tons of data thats different from what the new car is giving them.
Goldrusher
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Good news everyone!
Australia will be the season opener!
Foliorum Viridum
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Fuck yeahhh. One boring race off the calendar.
Melbourne should always be the first race. That's how it's meant to be.
Melbourne should always be the first race. That's how it's meant to be.
mclaren777
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When/where will that be?ExtraKr1spy said:
mclaren777
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Some of us think we've figured out Mclaren's exhaust situation. When using the U-bend layout, it's actually exiting through a thin slit near the rear suspension. STR recently tried running a similar setup and it's much more clear than on the Mclaren.
mclaren777
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Some high-res images from the recent F1 tests...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/f1photos/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29617295@N03/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/f1photos/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29617295@N03/
Gosh darned fuck. Did Ross Brawn lose his spark? Or is has the dispute with whats-his-name in the team gotten in the way? Weren't there some rumors of a dispute there? I mean, how can you go from making the field-crushing Brawn GP car to a car like Mercedes? I was SO optimistic for last season due to Brawn GP's success, then I had to endure as they said "we're focusing on next year" - and now this. Well, still, my scheduel was 'no wins last year, some wins this year, the title next year'. Let's go.
mclaren777
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The discoloration seems to validate the theory...
Articate said:
Brawn had little to do with that car. It was all Honda's work, since they binned the previous year's car early to start work on all the Double Diffuser concepts. BrawnGP regressed during the year since they didn't develop/improve the car and pretty much coasted by on their early advantage.
I'm never counting the duo of Brawn and Schumi out though.
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Articate said:
Honda developed the car Brawn GP used quite early on in the previous season and it competed in a season which had big changes in the technical regulations, they were also one of the first teams to have a double diffuser which gave them a massive advantage over Red Bull. Ferrari and Mclaren had to develop throughout the season in the previous year so they had poor cars. After Mercedes took over Brawn some of the staff was laid off and the structure of the team changed to incorporate Mercedes. Ross Brawn isn't an aerodynamicist like Adrian Newey so I guess Mercedes just don't have the right staff or their wind tunnel configuration isn't matching what is happening on the track.
Articate said:
The Brawn success was a case of them making the most of the diffuser situation and Button clinging on for grim death with his championship lead whilst Red Bull tried to catch up with the DDD, Webber was a shadow of his normal self due to the bike accident and Vettel was making all sorts of rookie errors. Had RBR been as switched on as they were last year and they'd have probably won the titles.
2009 was just one of those years where one unexpected team manages to get it right and the establishment get it spectacularly wrong. Let's not forget that Brawn weren't just fast, McLaren, BMW-Sauber, Renault and Ferrari were embarrassingly slow.
I think thats a bit unfair.Burai said:
I hear a lot of people that say that Brawn's success was down to the double-diffuser they had, yet its also worth remembering that both Toyota and Williams had this novelty as well, yet were well off Brawn's pace.
I think Brawn's success was down to a good amount of time and resource investment by Honda, a fresh rules set, a bit of a headstart on the DDD concept, a much stronger Mercedes engine, a decision to forego KERS, the majority of the big teams getting it wrong, AND a good stroke of luck. Big thing to remember is that the Brawn team was still largely the same team that produced the miserable Honda's of 07 and 08. The team clearly doesn't understand what makes a good car, and while they may pull off some good designs once in a while, its hard to have any trust that they can do it year-after-year.
As for Red Bull 'failing' to winning the title that year, I'd say thats even more than a 'bit' unfair. Button built up a ridiculous lead in the standings with their dominant car. Barrichello was either fucked up strategy-wise or just wasn't on-it during that period and Button just had his way with everyone. It was a golden streak that you dont often see in F1, but fair play to him for taking advantage of it.
By the time Red Bull actually caught up with their double diffuser, it was a bit too late, and other teams were closing in(or about to close in) to join the mix and make things even more difficult to make a dent on Button's lead. The Ferrari became a podium-threat, the Mclaren became a race-winning car, and the Brawn was still capable of winning races, too. The Red Bull was a great car on its day, but it was not the all-condition beast it was in 2010. It still had weaknesses and there was too much competition to claw back the deficit. You can always point to driver mistakes and blame that, but ALL drivers make mistakes during a season. Look at 2010 and you'll see that ALL the title contenders made mistakes and if you look back at previous seasons, you'll find even the WDC winners will have made mistakes during the season, too.
The drivers did not lose Red Bull the championship, all the other circumstances did. It was unreasonable for anybody to expect Brawn's early lead to be overcome, and its a miracle that Red Bull even made a fight out of it.
But anyways, yea, Mercedes was never destined for success. Not only is it largely the same team that designed and built the miserable Honda's of 07 and 08, but now they are shorter on staff and more strapped for resources. Brawn himself cannot change this, and there's probably a large reason why he doesn't own any shares of the team anymore.
hooray for Bahrain!
they don't seem to have clear grasps why something doesnt work or works well.
it somewhat showed with the 09 Honda Brawn when they failed to improve on their excellent car and their advantage slowly melting away. And even moreso last season, when they introduced all kind of stuff and updates which didn't seem to move them forward at all and they often had to revert to old versions after a race because of all kind of trouble the updates introduced.
it will take time for Merc to be a top team
this this thisSeanspeed said:
they don't seem to have clear grasps why something doesnt work or works well.
it somewhat showed with the 09 Honda Brawn when they failed to improve on their excellent car and their advantage slowly melting away. And even moreso last season, when they introduced all kind of stuff and updates which didn't seem to move them forward at all and they often had to revert to old versions after a race because of all kind of trouble the updates introduced.
it will take time for Merc to be a top team
mclaren777
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great tyre degradation/race sim analysis at jamesallen
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/02/f1-test-analysis-a-couple-of-graphs-to-get-you-thinking/
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/02/f1-test-analysis-a-couple-of-graphs-to-get-you-thinking/
Merc is slow
Wax Free Vanilla
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I just reread the article to go with that graph (and the one from last year). Definitely very interesting stuff, can't wait for some real strategies to come out this year (hopefully). Nice work by Webber at lap 49, too... not sure of the relevance, but great to see the domination nonethelessS. L. said:great tyre degradation/race sim analysis at jamesallen
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/02/f1-test-analysis-a-couple-of-graphs-to-get-you-thinking/
Merc is slow
mclaren777
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Dr. Rossello, can you give us an update on Roberts condition today?
I saw him this morning around 8:30am. He is doing pretty well and his condition is positive considering what he has been through. The good news is that there have been no complications following all the surgery he has had recently.
You performed the surgery on his hand what more can you tell us about that
He can move his fingers slightly and has a little bit of sensitivity already in his hand. What is very important is that there is no sign of infection, which is the main concern.
Last week he moved from intensive care to the rehabilitation department what did that involve?
Yes, he no longer needs intensive care so he has begun the rehabilitation process. He is now in his own large room so that he is as comfortable as possible. He has already started some gentle hand exercises with the slight flexing of his fingers.
Is he in good spirits?
Hes no longer in pain and his psychological condition is pretty good. Hes obviously keen to start the rehabilitation work as soon as possible.
How much longer will he spend in the rehabilitation department?
Its difficult to say. For the next couple of weeks, he will stay here so we can monitor his condition. During that time there is still the possibility of infection and other complications so he will have the dressings on his hand changed every few days. After two weeks we will assess his next move.
I saw him this morning around 8:30am. He is doing pretty well and his condition is positive considering what he has been through. The good news is that there have been no complications following all the surgery he has had recently.
You performed the surgery on his hand what more can you tell us about that
He can move his fingers slightly and has a little bit of sensitivity already in his hand. What is very important is that there is no sign of infection, which is the main concern.
Last week he moved from intensive care to the rehabilitation department what did that involve?
Yes, he no longer needs intensive care so he has begun the rehabilitation process. He is now in his own large room so that he is as comfortable as possible. He has already started some gentle hand exercises with the slight flexing of his fingers.
Is he in good spirits?
Hes no longer in pain and his psychological condition is pretty good. Hes obviously keen to start the rehabilitation work as soon as possible.
How much longer will he spend in the rehabilitation department?
Its difficult to say. For the next couple of weeks, he will stay here so we can monitor his condition. During that time there is still the possibility of infection and other complications so he will have the dressings on his hand changed every few days. After two weeks we will assess his next move.
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