• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

The Official Formula 1 2010/2011 Off-Season Thread

Status
Not open for further replies.

Articate

Banned
Indeed a sexy car! And I agree. The HRT black livery with the black helmet is still the most badass sight from the new season so far.
 

Mush

6.0
Man I wish Williams could get some more sponsors. It's so depressing looking at their car when Frank and Patrick have worked their arses off for decades. :(
 

Tenacious-V

Thinks his PR is better than yours.
Looks like Williams is going old school.

90's Rothman's Williams:
960005rothmansmed.jpg


Williams1994.jpg


From '94 up

They might get in shit for that. Ferrari had the subliminal Marlboro issue, might get the same complaints for this.
 

mclaren777

Member
Articate said:
Indeed a sexy car! And I agree. The HRT black livery with the black helmet is still the most badass sight from the new season so far.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that is last year's car.

But I know what you mean--it's easily my favorite car of pre-season testing.

aEs8P.jpg


Fqcx3.jpg
 

mclaren777

Member
Sam Michael said:
As you know there's been a lot of regulation changes. The aero concept for this car started in December 2009, the mechanical concepts three months later and this forms the backbone of the car. Everyone likes a tight rear end, so that's what formed the design process of the FW33.

The only thing that's really free is the rear end, it took many months of development on the dyno. We really had to tear up papers from the past for the transmission and be 'no holds barred'.

We wanted to be the lowest right from the beginning. It's the smallest and most compact rear end Williams have ever designed. The whole driving force behind the gearbox is to improve airflow to that rear wing, which will be a key differentiator for this year.

The top suspension is a z-bone, all the suspension is high because you want to take away any intrusion from the lower part of the rear wing. The driveshaft angles are higher than anyone has ever done in Formula 1 before.

We've taken a non-conventional view on F1 suspension design to achieve this and we've had no issues with transmission or rear suspension in testing, so the fundamental part of the car is right and that enables us to just concentrate on performance.
(click for full size)
 

Articate

Banned
mclaren777 said:
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that is last year's car.

But I know what you mean--it's easily my favorite car of pre-season testing.

I know, but it's just totally awesome:
169276.jpg
 

evanylee

Member
I just saw the movie "Senna" and it's a great insight on the late, great Ayrton Senna

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1424432/

IJbBj.jpg


A documentary on Brazilian Formula One racing driver Ayrton Senna, who won the F1 world championship three times before his death at age 34.

It's got some great footage taken with Senna's on-board camera-played on the big screen, you can really feel the speed of the 90's era cars. The sound of the McLaren's Honda V10 is amazing!
 

AndyD

aka andydumi
Deadman said:
The '96 williams is probably my favourite looking f1 car ever.
I love the 94. The low to the ground noses and relatively small front wings just bring back fond memories of a great era.
 
evanylee said:
I just saw the movie "Senna" and it's a great insight on the late, great Ayrton Senna

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1424432/

IJbBj.jpg




It's got some great footage taken with Senna's on-board camera-played on the big screen, you can really feel the speed of the 90's era cars. The sound of the McLaren's Honda V10 is amazing!

I fuckin missed this last night and it was the final day of showing in Encino, CA which apparently was the only theater in all of SoCal that had this.

Why couldnt you have extended over the weekend damnit! :(
 

navanman

Crown Prince of Custom Firmware
The rumoured Red Bull Racing and Infiniti (Nissan) tie-up is expected to be officially announced this Tuesday at the Geneva Motor Show.

It seems that Nissan luxury brand lnfiniti is entering into a marketing and technical agreement with Red Bull Racing.
Exactly what that means will be revealed at the Geneva Motor Show on Tuesday
 

mclaren777

Member
Red Bull budget boosted as engines renamed Infiniti

Red Bull's Renault engines will be renamed Infiniti this season in a move that will boost the world champion team's budget by at least £7m.

The engines will be the same, branding aside, but the plan means Red Bull will get their engines for free.

That will save the team 8m Euros (£6.8m) a year, the cost of all customer engine supplies in Formula 1.

It is not yet clear whether Renault/Nissan will provide further financial support for Red Bull, but even if the deal just provides for free engines it will be a significant boost to the team. It means that money - estimated to be about 4-5% of their total budget - can be freed up to be spent in other areas, potentially increasing performance.

Red Bull had been the only title-contending team who had to pay for their engines. The price for such deals is fixed at 8m Euros by an agreement between all F1 engine manufacturers through the teams' umbrella group FOTA.

BBC Article
 

Chris R

Member
Kinda related and this thread has traffic so I figure I'd ask.

After watching Top Gear tonight I'm wondering... Any word on a US release for Senna (the documentary)? It won World Cinema Audience Award: Documentary at Sundance so I figure it will eventually come out in some form but I can't find ANY info about it. Should I just ask my local arthouse/indie theater if they have any plans to show it???
 
Psychotext said:
Renault engines... branded as Nissan engines? That's just bizarre.
Why? They've had an extensive partnership for over a decade now.

When I first saw this rumour surface a month or so ago, it was claimed that Nissan would buy out the team and Red Bull would remain as title sponsor only, so it will be interesting to see if this deal is the beginning of such a transition (although you'd expect them to finally off-road Torro Rosso before selling RBR).
 

S. L.

Member


f1racemanager is set up for this season now.
the old NeoGAF subleague is still standing and you can set up your team for Australia.

edit:
if new members want to join:
The private subleague is called NeoGAF, and the password is gaffers.

To join the NeoGAF league, go to the edit profile option, and choose the change subleague option.
 

operon

Member
S. L. said:


f1racemanager is set up for this season now.
the old NeoGAF subleague is still standing and you can set up your team for Australia.

if new members want to join you need a password which i forgot -_-

Looking at it now, they are valuing hispania higher than virgin :))
 

Lucius86

Banned
S. L. said:


f1racemanager is set up for this season now.
the old NeoGAF subleague is still standing and you can set up your team for Australia.

if new members want to join you need a password which i forgot -_-

I hope they change some of the rules about purchases - it's no fun when the top people can buy the best of every category for the last few races.
 

operon

Member
Deadman said:
Definitely waiting until after the 3 practice sessions to pick the team.

Except for total fuel of course.

Setup a temporary one atm, concentrating on the Chassis, engine and fuel to start of with
 

operon

Member
Lucius86 said:
I hope they change some of the rules about purchases - it's no fun when the top people can buy the best of every category for the last few races.

its because of your stratregy at the start which gets results builds up money etc etc
 

S. L.

Member
Lucius86 said:
I hope they change some of the rules about purchases - it's no fun when the top people can buy the best of every category for the last few races.
actually the penalties were fairly high for selling if you were a high ranking player.
you amassed so much money because RBR were so dominating, if you bet on RBR early enough you were swimming in money

but yeah, early season strategy has the most impact
 

navanman

Crown Prince of Custom Firmware
I need a Ross Brawn "It prints money GIF" for this. Serious pay-out for Brawn after his takeover of Honda 2 years ago.
The Mercedes GP Formula 1 team is now wholly owned by the car manufacturer's parent company Daimler AG and financial partner Aabar Investments PJS, after the two companies bought out the other shareholders in the Brackley-based operation.

In a move that had been widely expected ever since Mercedes-Benz took over the then Brawn GP outfit, Daimler and Aabar have purchased the remaining 24.9 per cent of the outfit that was owned by team management including Ross Brawn and Nick Fry.

The new shareholding structure of the team has resulted in Daimler owning 60 per cent, with Aabar owning the remaining 40 per cent.

Dr Dieter Zetsche, CEO of Daimler AG, said the move to take over Mercedes GP fully was a statement of intent about his company's ambitions of remaining in F1.

"The acquisition of a majority stake holding in our Silver Arrows team sends a clear signal that we intend to achieve technical and sporting success on world motorsport's biggest and most important stage - and to do so in cost-effective conditions," he said.

Brawn, who helped save the team in the wake of Honda's departure from F1 at the end of 2008, said: "Daimler and Aabar's acquisition of the remaining 24.9 per cent stake in Mercedes-Benz Grand Prix will be a further step in the consolidation and strengthening of our team for the future.

"Motor racing, particularly Formula 1, is a very specialised industry, and we are privileged to have such strong and understanding partners as Daimler and Aabar to support our joint ambitions.

"I remain fully committed to our team for the long-term, along with the management team and all of our employees. We all look forward to the challenge of making our team successful, and proudly representing Mercedes-Benz and the racing tradition of the Silver Arrows."
Autosport
 

Lucius86

Banned
S. L. said:
actually the penalties were fairly high for selling if you were a high ranking player.
you amassed so much money because RBR were so dominating, if you bet on RBR early enough you were swimming in money

but yeah, early season strategy has the most impact

Which is why I think you need to lose some of the money earnt values, and we can only make changes to the team once every 3-4 races, with a set amount of money coming in plus some bonuses for your bonus bets. So your choices are final and set in stone until the next 'transfer window', it's more of a level playing field (but the better stretegists still will rise above the average person like myself). Every week you saw the same people topping the tables because they could afford the best after just a few races. It wasn't fun in all honesty.
 

S. L.

Member
Lucius86 said:
Which is why I think you need to lose some of the money earnt values, and we can only make changes to the team once every 3-4 races, with a set amount of money coming in plus some bonuses for your bonus bets. So your choices are final and set in stone until the next 'transfer window', it's more of a level playing field (but the better stretegists still will rise above the average person like myself). Every week you saw the same people topping the tables because they could afford the best after just a few races. It wasn't fun in all honesty.
well if there is a dominating team it will "break" any ruleset. once you had the all RBR team you didn't need any money anymore. so essentially last season it was a race to get an all RBR team, of course there was the possibility that McL would bounce back (and many players did bet on that afair) but that didn't work out which made the RBR players pretty much untouchable.

only changing every 3-4 races is actually what the higher scorers did, as changing from race to race is a loosing battle with the selling penalties.
eg. last season many went with Kubica as a stepping stone, which was an affordable choice close to the top. but with the selling penalties it would actually take you longer to get from Kubica to lets say Vettel instead of staying with lets say Sutil and sit out two races with less winning money

i think lowering the selling penalties could level the field a bit, but ultimatively the right longterm strategy at the beginning of the season will win you the game and i think most will play smarter this season compared to last. (lessons learned and all that)
 

operon

Member
S. L. said:
well if there is a dominating team it will "break" any ruleset. once you had the all RBR team you didn't need any money anymore. so essentially last season it was a race to get an all RBR team, of course there was the possibility that McL would bounce back (and many players did bet on that afair) but that didn't work out which made the RBR players pretty much untouchable.

only changing every 3-4 races is actually what the higher scorers did, as changing from race to race is a loosing battle with the selling penalties.
eg. last season many went with Kubica as a stepping stone, which was an affordable choice close to the top. but with the selling penalties it would actually take you longer to get from Kubica to lets say Vettel instead of staying with lets say Sutil and sit out two races with less winning money

i think lowering the selling penalties could level the field a bit, but ultimatively the right longterm strategy at the beginning of the season will win you the game and i think most will play smarter this season compared to last. (lessons learned and all that)

Indeed the smart guys last time out started out with reasonable chassis and engine and fuel conentrated on getting good results which gave them the money to upgrade to better cars adn then ultimately the rbr stuff. At the start the chassis engine and fule give a better return on your money then betting on a good driver
 

Lucius86

Banned
Perhaps I just don't like the system at all. I just hate the fact that you can earn the best in all cetegories with races still left to go. It's much more of a fun system when people have to compromise. I went with the Macca setup last year as I thought going RBR was too boring. But in all hoensty I should never have had the option to go for a Macca setup. Perhaps in 1-2 categories, but not all.
 
I've signed up for Race Manager... not sure if I'll continue it, because it looks a bit shit at the moment, but I'll give it a go a few races into the season to see if I like it.
 

S. L.

Member
What could work is a system that gives you penalties for owning/buying more than one part from a team. Like when you own mcl engine the chassis will cost 10% more etc
 

AndyD

aka andydumi
Lucius86 said:
Perhaps I just don't like the system at all. I just hate the fact that you can earn the best in all cetegories with races still left to go. It's much more of a fun system when people have to compromise. I went with the Macca setup last year as I thought going RBR was too boring. But in all hoensty I should never have had the option to go for a Macca setup. Perhaps in 1-2 categories, but not all.

Right.

If you mess up or bet on the wrong horse in the first 2-3 races you are effectively out. I can see maybe having it where a small percentage of very good top people can max out a team in the last race or two, but last year over half the people could max everything out with 4-6 races to go which made it non fun. Everyone loaded up on RBR and a few hedged on McLaren, but effectively the top third was in lockstep for nearly half the season.
 

DieH@rd

Banned
DOES ANYONE HAS SOME SUGESTIONS FOR THE INITIAL F1MANAGER SETUP? :)

Im thinking of Trulli/Kovalinen/chasisTorroRoso/engineLouts/fuelTotal...
 

megateto

Member
lttp, I know, but I've just been told that we are going to get HD coverage. I can't believe, but I'm worried about what we are going to get in Spain.
 

AndyD

aka andydumi
megateto said:
lttp, I know, but I've just been told that we are going to get HD coverage. I can't believe, but I'm worried about what we are going to get in Spain.
Ypu mean the tests? Thpse may not be hd if they are on at all.
 

navanman

Crown Prince of Custom Firmware
DieH@rd said:
DOES ANYONE HAS SOME SUGESTIONS FOR THE INITIAL F1MANAGER SETUP? :)

Im thinking of Trulli/Kovalinen/chasisTorroRoso/engineLouts/fuelTotal...

Buemi, Glock, Toro Rosso, Lotus & BP.
 

S. L.

Member
RBR Infinity deal is a sponsoring thing with tech collab down the road
Japanese car-maker Infiniti is to enter Formula 1 as a major sponsor of the Red Bull Racing team in 2011, although the move will not extend to a rebranding of the outfit's Renault engines.
The initial two-year deal, which will also act as a precursor to technical collaboration between the company and Red Bull Racing, will see Infiniti's name and logos feature on team clothing and prominent parts of the car - including the rear wing and nose.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89675
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom