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The Official Formula 1 2010/2011 Off-Season Thread

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DrM

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Domenicali and Dyer are probably wearing mouse costumes :lol :lol

First comment on JA blog is pure gold:
It’s a Ferrari Christmas. Starring Fernando Alonso as ‘Santa’. He’s been throwing his toys out of the pram all season; now he can use all that practice to distribute toys to the children! Guest starring Felipe Massa as ‘Santa’s Little Helper’.

-SPOILER ALERT-
Special Guest Appearance of Vitaly Petrov as ‘the Grinch who stole Christmas’
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Dead Man

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navanman said:
Nearly 100% confirmed that Legard has been ditched from the BBC F1 TV commentary gig.

YES!!
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Yeah, that's all well and good, but I'd prefer Legard, crappy as he is, over most of the people that have been suggested to replace him. Allen should stick with text journalism and small pieces, he is great there, and his commentary was terrible. Who else? The only ones I have heard of those that have been suggested have been as bad as Legard, or simply irritating.
 
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navanman

Crown Prince of Custom Firmware
Madness, F1 rules are anti-innovative thinking and as said above if you do come up with something its banned the next year.
 
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Templar Wizard

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what i find wonderful about the changes that the FIA have introduced for overtaking usually nolify themselves.

Kers push to pass? or Kers escape overtake button? remember räkk v fisi in Spa?

adjustable rear wing to pass? or use to maintain speed on straight? front wing used for balance this year, not for OT-ing

they should have brought forward the new aero packs to 2011, and introduced solid tires that dont marble therefore reducing the penalty you get for going 5cm offline.
 
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PjotrStroganov

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Then in the race the wing cannot be adjusted for two laps, then race control will send signals to the driver via the steering wheel, such that when they’re 1s or less behind another car at a designated point on the circuit, the rear wing can be trimmed out. The wing returns to the original setting as soon as the brakes are touched.
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Way to make things complicated.
 
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Dead Man

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PjotrStroganov said:
Way to make things complicated.
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Yeah, the rear wing thing absolutely baffles me. It's like they sat down and tried to make the shit as complicated as possible. My understanding is that it can only be used when within 1 sec of the car in front, and in a certain spot on the track, and it needs to be activated by the driver. Not complicated, not at all.

Except on straights, wouldn't trimming out the wing be the worst thing possible for overtaking? Maybe I don't understand how it is supposed to work, or maybe I just give the FIA too much credit :D The teams really need to start calling for simpler rules, and rule stability to reduce costs.
 
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operon

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Virgin give Jerome D'Ambrosio a racing seat for 2011​

Belgian Jerome D'Ambrosio will partner Germany's Timo Glock in Virgin Racing's Formula 1 driving team next season.

Former GP2 driver D'Ambrosio, 25, replaces Brazilian Lucas di Grassi, who is now without a drive for 2011.

D'Ambrosio had impressed in an evaluation role with Virgin at four of the final five F1 races of 2010 in Singapore, Japan, Korea and Brazil.

Virgin team principal John Booth said: "When we put Jerome in the car he surpassed even our own expectations."

D'Ambrosio has spent the past four seasons competing in the GP2 Series following earlier stints in GP2 Asia, F3000 Euroseries and Formula Renault, while he also held the role of reserve and test driver for the Renault F1 team last season.

Booth added: "Jerome had been on our radar for quite some time as a driver we should seriously consider for a 2011 race seat.

"We had followed his progress in GP2 closely and it was clear he was one to watch.

"He slotted into the team perfectly and everyone took a shine to him. Apart from his obvious skill at the wheel of an F1 car, he is an immensely personable young guy who is a pleasure to have around.

"He has secured this seat absolutely on merit and I think, coupled with Timo, we have the perfect blend of youth, experience, speed and potential.
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BBCnews more here
 
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Lucius86

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9307861.stm

The major changes will be:

* Much smaller front and rear wings;
* A far greater proportion of the total downforce of the cars will be created by the underfloor, compared to the wings;
* A major reduction in the amount of total downforce created by the car;
* To achieve this, the underfloor of the cars will be shaped along its length to generate downforce for the first time since the 1982 season - currently cars have bottoms that are flat between the wheels;
* The average proportion of a lap that a driver is able to spend on full throttle to be cut from 70% in 2010 to 50% in 2013;
* Tyres will remain large and chunky to ensure cornering speeds remain high.

"We are only going to have roughly 65% of the amount of fuel and a [limited] fuel [flow] rate - that was a given," said Head, talking exclusively to BBC Sport.
"We were just told 'That's what it will be, you've got to come up with a car spec that is not going to be more than five seconds a lap slower than a current F1 car'.
"So some circuit simulation was done by Rory at Ferrari and when we'd come up with some numbers in terms of drag and downforce it was then to try to come up with a geometry of a car that could try to achieve that."

Head and Byrne were charged with ensuring the new rules did not make overtaking any harder and, as it turns out, they could actually make passing easier.

That is because a car should lose less downforce when it is following another car if more of its total downforce is created by its underfloor rather than its wings.

This makes it easier for drivers to follow closely behind cars they are racing and therefore easier to pass.

Shaped undersides were banned in F1 at the end of the 1982 season because it was felt cornering speeds had got too fast and the cars too dangerous.

But back then they were used with skirts that touched the ground and sealed the low-pressure area, vastly increasing its efficiency.

This will be made impossible in 2013 by making the centre of the car lower than the sides.
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I don't know what to think really. If it really does make overtaking easier, then fantastic. But I still hate the fact we will have smaller engine and cars could be around 5 secs a lap slower :-/
 
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Lucius86

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Dead Man said:
I like those proposals a lot better than next years rules. They should have dramatically cut the surface area of the front and rear wings yeas ago.
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I think I prefer them too - but this is a drastic proposal. It better work or it will be to the detriment of the sport.
 
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TylerD

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Why not just make it a spec series like Indy at this rate? It is like they are saying well everything we have done up to this point hasn't increased overtaking so lets make 50 changes all at once! I feel sorry for the smaller teams that are going to have to pay for the development to comply with all the changes. It might even make the gap from the front to the back markers even more vast.

I am still pissed about the turbo 4s.
 
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Dead Man

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Lucius86 said:
I think I prefer them too - but this is a drastic proposal. It better work or it will be to the detriment of the sport.
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I'm not impressed about the lowered speed, but as long as the cornering speeds remain high they will still look almost as fast.
 
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Deadman

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There is a silver lining to all these changes: they are more likely to push ferrari to the point of making their own series, with real rules.
 
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Leunam

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Petrov is supposed to announce his plans for next year this week. More than likely, he'll be staying at Renault.
 
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AndyD

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Dead Man said:
I like those proposals a lot better than next years rules. They should have dramatically cut the surface area of the front and rear wings yeas ago.
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I think they tried and then we got the wings that were small in surface but had about 4 tiers of surfaces in one.

Then they allowed them to be big but they forgot to disallow the multiple tiers making them giant AND multi tiered. :lol
 
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navanman

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How are you meant to make it so that 50% is at full throttle without making the tracks even worse.
 
moojito

moojito

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anonnumber6 said:
Forced overtaking :(

Turning F1 into NASCAR.
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I think the implication above yours that corners = bad tracks would suggest it turning to nascar would please a lot of people.
 
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DrM

Redmond's Baby
They should bring back retro shift-sticks - be a man and drive around Monaco with only one hand on steering wheel :lol
 
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Leunam

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Petrov confirmed at Renault until 2012

Eric Boullier, team principal, added: "We are very pleased to confirm that Vitaly will be staying with us for 2011 and 2012, in order that both he and the team can build on a promising 2010 campaign. The entire team has been working flat out over the past months to improve our competitiveness, and a stable driver line-up is essential to achieving our targets. Robert Kubica provides a remarkable benchmark for both speed and consistency, and we are certain that Vitaly will move closer to this level of performance next year."
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Pimpwerx

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Wow! Where to begin?

Bernie - Poor sod. I despise him and Max, but wouldn't wish physical harm on either. Pretty cool of him using his injuries to sell a product. It puts a brave face on the whole thing.

India - Not looking so bad, but I'll wait and see.

Petrov - LOL! If I didn't want his bum ass on my fantasy team last year, why should Renault want him back? The guy is at least Piquet Jr. bad. Maybe he can spin his car without controversy.

4-bangers - Are you fucking serious? This makes no sense, especially with the other statements I read. How can they reduce the time on full-throttle when they're just gonna keep reducing the displacement of the engines? Smaller displacement means more use of full-throttle. You use to have to at least think about lifting through Eau Rouge. The weird triple-apex turn that they have in Turkey (I think) also wasn't meant to be a full-throttle turn, but it is thanks to smaller engines. 130R is the same. I'm not fond of smaller engines. This isn't WRC, this is fucking F1. This is the pinnacle of motorsports. The technology is everything.

Team orders - Gone again, huh? Can we just admit now that this was just another Schumacher rule? How many changes did the FIA make just to cut down on his winning? In hindsight, it's pretty impressive/sad.

I'll wait until winter testing gets started to kick up a real fuss. Some of this stuff could change still. PEACE.
 
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Jinjo

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Pimpwerx said:
4-bangers - Are you fucking serious? This makes no sense, especially with the other statements I read. How can they reduce the time on full-throttle when they're just gonna keep reducing the displacement of the engines? Smaller displacement means more use of full-throttle. You use to have to at least think about lifting through Eau Rouge. The weird triple-apex turn that they have in Turkey (I think) also wasn't meant to be a full-throttle turn, but it is thanks to smaller engines. 130R is the same. I'm not fond of smaller engines. This isn't WRC, this is fucking F1. This is the pinnacle of motorsports. The technology is everything.
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F1 no longer has the right to claim that they're the pinnacle of motorsport when they're driving around with 1.6 litre 4 cylinder engines. That's just laughable. Worst part is that they're cutting back on the revs, rendering the turbo's more useless. Stating the obvious quote: "There's no replacement for displacement."

In other news: here's the FIA gala 2010 season overview. (That intro is so badass)
 
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h3ro

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S. L. said:
And Sutil was aiming for Renault. I don't think FI will pick Hulk over Di Resta
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Or test drive at Ferrari for a year! :p

Being reserve at the Silver Arrows might be the best choice for Hulk long term though, German driver going to Team Germany. Schumi probably won't go another season after 2011, so he'd slide in next to Keke's kid. Plus, I'm sure Wili Weber must be pushing for this as well if all the race drives dry up.
 
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SCHUEY F1

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Jinjo said:
F1 no longer has the right to claim that they're the pinnacle of motorsport when they're driving around with 1.6 litre 4 cylinder engines. That's just laughable. Worst part is that they're cutting back on the revs, rendering the turbo's more useless. Stating the obvious quote: "There's no replacement for displacement."

In other news: here's the FIA gala 2010 season overview. (That intro is so badass)
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Love the FIA Gala Year in Review videos.
 
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AndyD

aka andydumi
Yep. They had Spa 98 super crash in there. But who was the driver who collapsed on the side of his car? A brown car I think? Outside the cockpit, was he pushing it?

And the shots of all the McLarens reminded me of that fantastic bit with Hamilton and Button this year when they went to the F1 warehouse and sat in some of those cars, brought shivers to my spine then, and still does now just thinking of it. So many legendary cars in that place.
 
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Leonsito

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AndyD said:
Yep. They had Spa 98 super crash in there. But who was the driver who collapsed on the side of his car? A brown car I think? Outside the cockpit, was he pushing it?

And the shots of all the McLarens reminded me of that fantastic bit with Hamilton and Button this year when they went to the F1 warehouse and sat in some of those cars, brought shivers to my spine then, and still does now just thinking of it. So many legendary cars in that place.
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http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/image/18254.html

Edit: Just watched the video again, that's it, I'm installing GPL again.
 
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Somtaaw

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AndyD said:
Yep. They had Spa 98 super crash in there. But who was the driver who collapsed on the side of his car? A brown car I think? Outside the cockpit, was he pushing it?

And the shots of all the McLarens reminded me of that fantastic bit with Hamilton and Button this year when they went to the F1 warehouse and sat in some of those cars, brought shivers to my spine then, and still does now just thinking of it. So many legendary cars in that place.
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It was Nigel Mansell in the 1984 dallas gp.
 
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avaya

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I'm basically numb to these changes now. I have come to accept all F1 cars will be hideous monstrosities from now on.

Not over hating the pikeys though. They can all go burn in a fire as far I'm concerned.

Ferrari + Mercedes + Red Bull.

Fuck the rest.
 
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Seanspeed

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Jinjo said:
F1 no longer has the right to claim that they're the pinnacle of motorsport when they're driving around with 1.6 litre 4 cylinder engines. That's just laughable. Worst part is that they're cutting back on the revs, rendering the turbo's more useless. Stating the obvious quote: "There's no replacement for displacement."

In other news: here's the FIA gala 2010 season overview. (That intro is so badass)
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Big engines may sound great, but its actually tougher to acheive high power outputs with a smaller engine, so F1's claim to being the pinnacle of motorsport(already not really a reputable claim) isn't really affected all too much. Dont forget that in the 80's, we were using 1.5L engines, and many hail those to be some of the greatest engines ever.

As far as cutting back the revs, I dont see it as such a bad thing. We'll lose some of the high-pitched whine of the modern engines, but I think the engines will sound manlier as a result. I also dont understand how that makes the turbos more useless. Can you care to explain how that works? Lower revs already means that the torque curves will allow more power lower in the rev range, while turbos will only increase that, so we'll still see plenty of wheel-spinning action.

Also dont forget that KERS is gonna play a much larger part in the future regs, as the FIA have declared they intend to keep OVERALL power outputs pretty much the same as todays. We'll be seeing KERS contributing upwards of 200hp, possibly even continuously by 2014 or 2015.
 
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Massa

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RBR Christmas card:

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Wax Free Vanilla

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Black and Red McLaren next season?

https://www.mclarenshop.com/webapp/...AvqxptJJQ==&ddkey=https:SetCurrencyPreference
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horrible news:

David Coulthard has confirmed he "had talks" with the BBC, but he is staying tight-lipped about claims that he will take over as lead F1 commentator.

The former McLaren and Red Bull driver is reportedly being lined up to take over from Jonathan Legard as the top commentator next season but the public broadcaster is refusing to comment on the speculation.
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anonnumber6

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The best looking McLaren in my opinion of course my choice is biased due to the driver in that car.

Coulthard would be a good commentator, he gives more analysis in his 30 second slots throughout the race commentary than Legard does through the duration of the race. When he was a driver in interviews he was quite funny and his grid walks with Brundle are quite fun.
 
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