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The Official Gundam Thread of Gunpla, Origins, and 35 Years of GUNDAMUUUU!

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Char was in love with Garma and could no longer tolerate Garma two-timing him with some floozy. So he offed him.

Fan Fiction was the first thing I found when I scoured the internet for an answer.

Great scene. "Garma, I'm sending your sister to join you."

And I think it was always about revenge, he just fell off that track for a while when he met Lalah and became obsessed with her and being a Newtype.

Yeah, I guess my time line is kind of whacked. He may not even have met Lalah at that point. It seems like this was some big project they had going on, but it all seemed to have happened during the war. R&D is bitching in the future.
 
It's easy to miss, but Char was literally kicked out of the military for letting Garma get killed. At the time, he was serving under Dozle, who was in charge of Zeon's Space invasion force. Dozle, who took the loss the hardest was so pissed off by Garma's death that he discharged Char for not doing enough to save Garma. Bare in mind that none of the Zabis, except maybe Kycilia who later calls him out on it, suspect that Char actually set up Garma. If they had, he'd probably have been executed.

Kycilia, who understood the value of having an ace pilot like Char, then took him under her wing secretly. Kycilia was in charge of Zeon's Earth Invasion forces. It is during this time that Char was sent to and Indian brothel to check out a potential Newtype Zeon HQ had heard rumors of. That Newtype was Lalah, whom he escorted to the Flanigan Institute. For a time gave up his quest for revenge against the Zabis. If Char himself is to be believed, it's partially because after Garma's death he wasn't feeling too good about the whole thing. He genuinely liked Garma. But of course, meeting Lalah also had a pretty profounced impact on him.

There is a really nice image of Lalah being picked up from brothel. It's from some old One Year War artbook I can't remember the name of. I'll try and find it.
 
It's easy to miss, but Char was literally kicked out of the military for letting Garma get killed. At the time, he was serving under Dozle, who was in charge of Zeon's Space invasion force. Dozle, who took the loss the hardest was so pissed off by Garma's death that he discharged Char for not doing enough to save Garma. Bare in mind that none of the Zabis, except maybe Kycilia who later calls him out on it, suspect that Char actually set up Garma. If they had, he'd probably have been executed.

Kycilia, who understood the value of having an ace pilot like Char, then took him under her wing secretly. Kycilia was in charge of Zeon's Earth Invasion forces. It is during this time that Char was sent to and Indian brothel to check out a potential Newtype Zeon HQ had heard rumors of. That Newtype was Lalah, whom he escorted to the Flanigan Institute. For a time gave up his quest for revenge against the Zabis. If Char himself is to be believed, it's partially because after Garma's death he wasn't feeling too good about the whole thing. He genuinely liked Garma. But of course, meeting Lalah also had a pretty profounced impact on him.

There is a really nice image of Lalah being picked up from brothel. It's from some old One Year War artbook I can't remember the name of. I'll try and find it.

Where did that actual story stuff take place? Manga/Novel? Bits and pieces from other shows?

Anyways, I did get that Char was not exactly favored at that time, and I did get his resurgence with Kycilia. Just the way he was talking about Garma it made it seem like getting him out of the way would help his own career. But it obviously didn't work out so well for him. But the characters are human and are allowed to fuck up.
 
Not sure where the Lalah brothel story came from, but it's definitely canon. It might be one one of those things that is mentioned model kit notes or it might have been from Tomino's novel. I don't know. I haven't read it yet. The only thing mentioned in show is that Char "saved" her from something, which is why she's so loyal to him.

As for Char, nah he definitely didn't intend on it furthering his career. He didn't really care about it at all, other than as a means of getting close to the Zabis.
 

frye

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With Char killing Kycillia at the end, you could argue that it's him revisiting his decision to fuck Garma over. Except now it's not about revenge: it's about preventing another Gihren Zabi.
 

CorvoSol

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Fan Fiction was the first thing I found when I scoured the internet for an answer.

All I'm saying is that after Char had that open-door, totally naked in the shower conversation with Garma, I began to wonder if he wasn't Tsundere for him. This is the inverse of my one law of Gundam, which is that everybody is gay for Char Aznable.

Guy has serious chemistry with his own darn sister, man.
 

Droog

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There is a really nice image of Lalah being picked up from brothel. It's from some old One Year War artbook I can't remember the name of. I'll try and find it.

You're thinking of M.S. ERA and this picture;

MS081.jpg


It's definitely a book worth picking up if you're a fan of the One Year War. Chronicles the start of the Universal Century, the building of the first colony, going all the way until the end of the war in 0080.
 

54-46!

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You're thinking of M.S. ERA and this picture;

MS081.jpg


It's definitely a book worth picking up if you're a fan of the One Year War. Chronicles the start of the Universal Century, the building of the first colony, going all the way until the end of the war in 0080.

Cool, only 1500 JPY as well.. need to buy this book.

Is Z Gundam Define supposed to be a follow-up of sorts to The Origin?
 
The thing about Char and Garma's death is that Char has three different characterizations between Mobile Suit Gundam, the movie trilogy and the novel. In the tv show Char was the biggest asshole one could ever be. For him it was all about revenge and Char already attempted to kill Garma before but he actually succeeded this time. In the movies he saw an opportunity and seized it but was almost regretful of killing Garma. His parting words of "Blame it on the misfortune of your birth" almost implies that he would have rather not done the deed and wouldn't have if Garma's last name wasn't Zabi. In the novels I believe the entire thing was almost accidental and Char didn't expect Garma to die at all. It's just that Garma was eager for glory and took too many risks.
 

Blader

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The thing about Char and Garma's death is that Char has three different characterizations between Mobile Suit Gundam, the movie trilogy and the novel. In the tv show Char was the biggest asshole one could ever be. For him it was all about revenge and Char already attempted to kill Garma before but he actually succeeded this time. In the movies he saw an opportunity and seized it but was almost regretful of killing Garma. His parting words of "Blame it on the misfortune of your birth" almost implies that he would have rather not done the deed and wouldn't have if Garma's last name wasn't Zabi. In the novels I believe the entire thing was almost accidental and Char didn't expect Garma to die at all. It's just that Garma was eager for glory and took too many risks.

That was in the show too.
 

Anyone know if the "popular edition" is different from the other edition that is 50 to 80ish on Amazon and eBay in content? Hlj link doesn't seem to mention English, so I'm curious if the translations might have been cut in particular.

edit: From what I can tell it seems to be slightly reduced in size, paperback versus hardcover, and based on sample pictures and page count, English translations may have been cut.
 

Blackheim

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Got the deluxe version of UC 6 in today. Want to watch it but, may hold off until 7 comes out and just watch the bonus disc. Decisions...
 

Droog

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I don't think the lose of english is too big of a loss from what I've seen. It was fairly nonsensical in the first place.

The "Popular" editions of MS ERA that are available today are missing the English translations, yes. As Megalosaro says, they are pretty bad however. Zeon is consistently misspelt as Zion for example. :-/ I can PM the english texts if anyone is that desperate though!
 
Retrospectively wrong then. Funnily enough if they'd used Jion in the book it wouldn't bug me at all!

Again that's not wrong, that's just nerds being terrible people as per usual. Like how a lot of people got really upset about the translations of the MSG novels.
 

Droog

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Again that's not wrong, that's just nerds being terrible people as per usual. Like how a lot of people got really upset about the translations of the MSG novels.

What kinds of things were folks upset about? I still haven't got round to reading those yet actually.
 
What kinds of things were folks upset about? I still haven't got round to reading those yet actually.

Didn't the novel set standards for how UC terms were translated? If I recall, it was the first source to use the term "Zeon" as well as "Zaku".

It'd be pretty interesting to see a history of how Gundam has been translated in the West.
 
What kinds of things were folks upset about? I still haven't got round to reading those yet actually.
Didn't the novel set standards for how UC terms were translated? If I recall, it was the first source to use the term "Zeon" as well as "Zaku".

It'd be pretty interesting to see a history of how Gundam has been translated in the West.
I just have the newly reprinted editions. In the back there a few pages from the translator talking about the process behind naming decisions and how eventually the names have been changed to official ones during later print runs.



As for something more recent. Origin volume 1 is sooooo good.
 

PhiLonius

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Finished UC ep6.

Even when it's light on action it still ends up being great, making up for it with some pretty good dialogue and character interaction, especially Mineva's- I'm going to wear the cape for this one scene just so I can swish it when I walk out- moment.

Now the wait for 7 :(
 
I'm now up to Stardust Memory in my first run through of UC. Excited to check out Zeta, but I'm going chronologically. 08th MS team was pretty good, Miller's report was a waste of time but would have been fine if they just added the extra clips to episode 8 for the DVD release. I thought War in the Pocket was great. Very well done kid character.


I just have the newly reprinted editions. In the back there a few pages from the translator talking about the process behind naming decisions and how eventually the names have been changed to official ones during later print runs.



As for something more recent. Origin volume 1 is sooooo good.

All I have is the new translation. So they actually changed them to be more in line? I read the intro, and if I recall correctly this was actually the first Gundam material to make it to the U.S? I remember them also mentioning that the White Base was actually the Pegasus, a White Base Class ship. I imagine Tomino must have changed that after the series, as I don't know how such a thing would otherwise be possible.

I don't know what order things were released in, but it is interesting seeing some of the discrepancies even in the translated Bandai DVD releases. I know I have noticed a couple of things, but in Stardust memory Kcylia's name is the most recent one.

Anazon should ship them tomorrow or Monday.

I'm pretty excited to check this out. Amazon has already started "shipping" them for some in the U.S., but not mine yet.
 

CorvoSol

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I'm now up to Stardust Memory in my first run through of UC. Excited to check out Zeta, but I'm going chronologically. 08th MS team was pretty good, Miller's report was a waste of time but would have been fine if they just added the extra clips to episode 8 for the DVD release. I thought War in the Pocket was great. Very well done kid character.

I'm doing this now, too, and am almost done with Stardust Memory. Man, just a bad show. Not as bad as 00 or AGE, but still, so bad.
 
I'm doing this now, too, and am almost done with Stardust Memory. Man, just a bad show. Not as bad as 00 or AGE, but still, so bad.

Very, very nice Gundams in it though. The RX78 GP-01 Zeyphantres and GP-03 Dendrobium Orchis and Stamen are still among my favourites to this day.

I find it funny that Stardust Memories features Gundams with more advanced features than those in Zeta (RX78 MkII) even though it's set before Zeta chronologically speaking.

Seems like the Federation never fielded anything as awesome as the Dendrobium after it was made.
 
To be fair though, even in Zeta Gundam, they point out that the Mk 2 isn't that advanced. That it was just a test for the frame, otherwise the other specs aren't that fantastic.
 
Aren't there tons of anachronisms due to the OVAs? Wasn't Mk-II was supposed to be a prototype for the first mass-production Gundams in 0087? 08th MS Team had mass production Gundams in 0079.
 
Aren't there tons of anachronisms due to the OVAs? Wasn't Mk-II was supposed to be a prototype for the first mass-production Gundams in 0087? 08th MS Team had mass production Gundams in 0079.

I'm certainly no expert. But the Gundams in 08th MS Team were apparently made from spare RX-78-2 parts meshed with other (probably GM) parts that were lying around, and there were only 20 of them total, so they weren't exactly mass produced. Although for mobile suits, 20 does seem like a decently large production, I guess there was no actual assembly line. And Alex was a prototype that was abandoned when new tech came in. So I don't know that there were actually any mass-production Gundams that early.
 
08th MS Team had mass production Gundams in 0079.

RX-79[G] are the mobile suits made from all the spare parts they had left over after the development of the RX-78 was finished.

And to be fair there is a mass production everything thanks to MSV.

And Alex was a prototype that was abandoned when new tech came in.
Alex was abandoned because the war was over before the development finished. Oh and it was also heavily damaged or nearly destroyed so there was probably no point in continuing on with it .
 

CorvoSol

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Very, very nice Gundams in it though. The RX78 GP-01 Zeyphantres and GP-03 Dendrobium Orchis and Stamen are still among my favourites to this day.

I find it funny that Stardust Memories features Gundams with more advanced features than those in Zeta (RX78 MkII) even though it's set before Zeta chronologically speaking.

Seems like the Federation never fielded anything as awesome as the Dendrobium after it was made.

I actually think the Gundams in 0083 are dumb. The whole idea of a nuclear Gundam seems silly to me. It's basically a Metal Gear.
 

Blader

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I'm doing this now, too, and am almost done with Stardust Memory. Man, just a bad show. Not as bad as 00 or AGE, but still, so bad.

Man, it's WAY worse than 00. For me, 0083 is almost Destiny-level; they're not equally bad, but they're both failures in the stories they were trying to tell.

Alex was abandoned because the war was over before the development finished. Oh and it was also heavily damaged or nearly destroyed so there was probably no point in continuing on with it .

It was also being built for Amuro, who was not piloting anymore between 0079 and Zeta.
 
I actually think the Gundams in 0083 are dumb. The whole idea of a nuclear Gundam seems silly to me. It's basically a Metal Gear.

Funny you should say that since Gato's voice actor in Japan is Solid Snake.

As for the RX-79(G), it's not really a Gundam. It's a GM with a Gundam head. I always had a problem with 08th MS Team for that reason. They wanted to make a show about grunts, but they didn't go the full way. 08th MS team should have been a team of GMs. Oh well.
 

CorvoSol

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Funny you should say that since Gato's voice actor in Japan is Solid Snake.

As for the RX-79(G), it's not really a Gundam. It's a GM with a Gundam head. I always had a problem with 08th MS Team for that reason. They wanted to make a show about grunts, but they didn't go the full way. 08th MS team should have been a team of GMs. Oh well.

My problem with 08th MS team is it starts out a good show about mooks in wartime and ends with what would be the worst Gundam Romance if not for Shinn Asuka and Stella Loser.

My problem with Gato's Gundam, though is, that while I can see it on land, it's too bulky to be a viable threat in space.
 
Wouldn't that be the other way around? Bulk wouldn't matter too much in space since it'd be weightless. Plus that thing is packed with thrusters.
 
RX-79[G]

Alex was abandoned because the war was over before the development finished. Oh and it was also heavily damaged or nearly destroyed so there was probably no point in continuing on with it .

This is all true, but I think the fact that it was designed for newtypes, but lacked any real advantage over the RX-78-2 because it still used a traditional control scheme played a role as well.

I don't think Stardust Memory is particularly bad so far, about 4 episodes in. The characters seem a bit hokey, but the plot is interesting in concept, and mildly interesting in execution thus far.

I liked 00, though. It was the first Gundam I saw completely. I saw a few episodes of Wing here and there when it was initially airing, but never the whole thing. I liked Mobile Suit Gundam better, and I'll reevalute it after I've seen the rest of UC Gundam. But I thought Season one of 00 was pretty great. It was downhill from there, but season 2 was good and the movie was meh.
 
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