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The Official Pokemon Platinum Thread of Catching Them All (Again)

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Chozo

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grandjedi6 said:
When exactly did Vaporeon become so awesome anyway? I decided to evolve eevee to Vaporeon in leaf green since it was pretty much my only choice but its turned out to be a great one. The little guy can survive anything, even strong electric or grass attacks without loosing much health. Plus he has that whole "water absorb" ability. Seriously, when did Vaporeon get so awesome?

So Vaporeon is awesome and Leafeon... is not so awesome. What about the other eevee evolutions?

Eeveelutions aren't bad in general. The things that harm them mostly are:
-Generally learn their "power attacks" later than comparable Pokemon of their type, if at all. If you're a TM hoarder this is going to be a black mark against them.
-Shallow movepool compared to most Pokemon of their type: usually Eeveelutions are restricted to attacks of their type, whatever they can bring over from Eevee (usually Shadow Ball), and maybe an odd attack or two outside their type. For Pokemon like Vappy (who can learn Surf/Blizzard or Ice Beam) who have decent coverage with that it's not so bad, for others (Flareon), not so much.

Flareon-crap. 130 base attack and your most powerful physical fire attack is Fire Fang. Nobody likes Flareon, not even God.

Jolteon-Good, but you'll probably have to cough up a Thunderbolt TM, since he doesn't learn any special electric attacks outside of lolThundershock at 15 and Thunder at 71(!).

Espeon-Good. Too bad it doesn't learn Focus Blast, because unless you want to breed Hidden Powers for a Pokemon you use in game (hint: don't do this) you're going to be slightly up shit creek against steels and darks.

Umbreon: Iffy for in game. I tend to prefer Pokemon that are either fast and can annihilate the opposing Pokemon in one or two hits (Jolteon/Espeon would be analogous in this case), or can take a hit while dishing big ones out (Vaporeon). Umbreon has the defense, but it hits like a cream puff and the situations where you need it to tank for your team are rare pre Elite 4.

Glaceon: Straddles the line between Espeon/Jolteon and Glaceon stat-wise. In game the worst thing about it is that you won't be able to get it until you're almost at the seventh gym, and it shares Jolteon's "I don't learn good special moves of my type until level fucking ridiculous" syndrome.
 

joelseph

Member
effingvic said:
Ackk. Okay sounds good.

I wish I planned out my Pokemon earlier on. I realized I wasted a lot of TMs for stupid reasons and I can't get em' back! Argh.

Haven't they made it so you can get all the good ones through Battle Frontier, Casino, pickup?
 

Giard

Member
joelseph said:
Haven't they made it so you can get all the good ones through Battle Frontier, Casino, pickup?
Pretty much, except stuff like Stealth Rock and Grass Knot that you get in gyms.
 
Chozo said:
Eeveelutions aren't bad in general. The things that harm them mostly are:
-Generally learn their "power attacks" later than comparable Pokemon of their type, if at all. If you're a TM hoarder this is going to be a black mark against them.
-Shallow movepool compared to most Pokemon of their type: usually Eeveelutions are restricted to attacks of their type, whatever they can bring over from Eevee (usually Shadow Ball), and maybe an odd attack or two outside their type. For Pokemon like Vappy (who can learn Surf/Blizzard or Ice Beam) who have decent coverage with that it's not so bad, for others (Flareon), not so much.

Flareon-crap. 130 base attack and your most powerful physical fire attack is Fire Fang. Nobody likes Flareon, not even God.

Jolteon-Good, but you'll probably have to cough up a Thunderbolt TM, since he doesn't learn any special electric attacks outside of lolThundershock at 15 and Thunder at 71(!).

Espeon-Good. Too bad it doesn't learn Focus Blast, because unless you want to breed Hidden Powers for a Pokemon you use in game (hint: don't do this) you're going to be slightly up shit creek against steels and darks.

Umbreon: Iffy for in game. I tend to prefer Pokemon that are either fast and can annihilate the opposing Pokemon in one or two hits (Jolteon/Espeon would be analogous in this case), or can take a hit while dishing big ones out (Vaporeon). Umbreon has the defense, but it hits like a cream puff and the situations where you need it to tank for your team are rare pre Elite 4.

Glaceon: Straddles the line between Espeon/Jolteon and Glaceon stat-wise. In game the worst thing about it is that you won't be able to get it until you're almost at the seventh gym, and it shares Jolteon's "I don't learn good special moves of my type until level fucking ridiculous" syndrome.

The words you used and the phrases.. oh my god im laughing in the office right now.
 

Forkball

Member
clockradiospeakers said:
Genuine question, as I haven't really played any Pokemon since R/S: Why bother with the games when you can just use Shoddy Battle?
There's a lot more to Pokemon besides competitive battling. And besides, shoddy battle simply isn't the same.
 

Chozo

Member
clockradiospeakers said:
Genuine question, as I haven't really played any Pokemon since R/S: Why bother with the games when you can just use Shoddy Battle?

Is your main goal to play Pokemon other people online without the dross and bullshit of the main series interfering with that objective? Play Shoddy.

Want to do the RPG portion/complete the Pokedex/play people with a cartridge? Get the game.

That's pretty much it, really.
 
clockradiospeakers said:
Genuine question, as I haven't really played any Pokemon since R/S: Why bother with the games when you can just use Shoddy Battle?

Animations >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. ugly-ass interface

That's really the only definite advantage cart-play has though.
 
Crazymoogle said:
Ignoring the whole legality thing.

Neat idea, though. Pokemon has a pretty awesome statistical community.

That's a good point. Though I'm guessing Nintendo isn't clamoring to shut down online simulators as long as nobody is profiting off them and Pokemon game sales are healthy.

Regardless, the two are different enough IMO that one shouldn't feel guilty for using Shoddy/NB.
 

Chozo

Member
Little Green Yoda said:
Animations >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. ugly-ass interface

That's really the only definite advantage cart-play has though.

I dunno about you, but I generally turn my battle animations off after the first gym. I'm blowing through most comp opponents in one hit, I don't really want my attack animations doubling the amount of time the trivial, non-intellectually involved battles take. But that's just me though.

Also, it doesn't take half an hour for a level 100 Blissey's health bar to deplete on Shoddy like it does in the games. How are we in the fourth gen of Pokemon games and health bar speed still doesn't account for the Pokemon's max health? They do it in PBR, I know it isn't beyond them.
 
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Deleted member 21120

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Shiggie said:
Anyone wants to trade me a Scarmory? I need an HM Slave.

FC: 043146257594
I can breed you one. Let me know if you still need it.

Also, wasn't there someone a while back that wanted to evolve their Machoke and/or Haunter? You still around? I can help you do that tonight if you still need to.
 

zoukka

Member
Hey is that shoddy-system good for training your concept about pokemon tiers in practise? I shouldn't download things like that in my current computer of use, but who gives a fuck if it's useful :)
 
zoukka said:
Hey is that shoddy-system good for training your concept about pokemon tiers in practise? I shouldn't download things like that in my current computer of use, but who gives a fuck if it's useful :)
It's good for training: battling in Tiers, familiarizing oneself with predictions and common movesets of PKMNs.
 

joelseph

Member
I am going to try and build a team for competitive battle in hopes of GAF getting a tournament up. Do you think it is viable to build a Baton Passing chain in this generation? I really like Gliscor and would love to build something around him as a lead. Thoughts? Thanks!
 
joelseph said:
I am going to try and build a team for competitive battle in hopes of GAF getting a tournament up. Do you think it is viable to build a Baton Passing chain in this generation? I really like Gliscor and would love to build something around him as a lead. Thoughts? Thanks!
I think 4th gen's metagame is too offensive-based for a Baton passing team to be highly workable. Though it would still might work. Try building a team and test it in OU in shoddy and see what's it weaknesses and what type of teams would pose some problems against it.
 
Hey guys, so guess what? I FINALLY GOT A US VERSION! Now I can actually play the game instead of drudge through my import copy.

Here's my problem though, could someone possibly trade me a Chimchar? I really would like one and I started out with Turtwig. Obviously I just got the US version so I am still early on and don't have much to trade but as many here will tell you (or even if you read earlier posts in this thread), gimme a week and I can get you some awesome stuff.

Anybody willing to give me a Chimchar?
 

Firestorm

Member
clockradiospeakers said:
Genuine question, as I haven't really played any Pokemon since R/S: Why bother with the games when you can just use Shoddy Battle?
If you only care about the battling aspect, then Shoddy is leagues better. If you want to do the collecting part of the game, have a team that you've actually trained, and/or play in Nintendo's official tournaments, play the cartridge games.

I also know a lot of people on Smogon who are really into the Battle Frontier / Battle Tower stuff... moreso than they are into competitive battling these days. It really requires a different knowledge set and is a good way to mix things up if you've been battling competitively for years.

Little Green Yoda said:
Animations >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. ugly-ass interface

That's really the only definite advantage cart-play has though.
Ya kidding dude? That's one of the major advantages of Shoddy =p No long ass animations.
 
I've got a stock of chimchar's somewhere, not sure when I'll be getting online tonight though. If nobody else comes forward, I can help you out.
 
Crazymoogle said:
I've got a stock of chimchar's somewhere, not sure when I'll be getting online tonight though. If nobody else comes forward, I can help you out.
Thanks a ton, that would be great! PM me and I'll send you my friend code.
 

Penguin

Member
Crazymoogle said:
I've got a stock of chimchar's somewhere, not sure when I'll be getting online tonight though. If nobody else comes forward, I can help you out.

what don't you have a supply of? :lol
 
Penguin said:
what don't you have a supply of? :lol

Hmm. Well, don't have TRU Regigigas yet. And there are various species I haven't fully ported over to Platinum yet. Only have one of half of the legendaries now. But yeah, I've basically got a supply of everything else. -_-;

Borrowing a DS periodically to trade over my Pearl supply. Poor pearl save is becoming overrun with junk LV2 pokemon. :lol
 
Anyone willing to trade-trade back with me so my Haunter can evolve into a Gengar before I take out the ghost gym?

EDIT: Never mind, just did it. Thanks Pokerus from Serebii!

I'm still looking for a Chimchar though.
 

Sixfortyfive

He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Wii Will Rock U said:
Anyone willing to trade-trade back with me so my Haunter can evolve into a Gengar before I take out the ghost gym?
Give me 5 minutes. I'm busy whipping the Elite Four for the 8th time. (That piano will be mine!)

FC is 2750-6983-3519

EDIT: Or not.
 

Sixfortyfive

He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Wii Will Rock U said:
STILL looking for a Chimchar, :lol

Also looking for:

-Volt Tackle Pikachu

-Toys R' Us Shaymin

Anybody have any?
I can get you the first two if you give me a little time to breed them. I can get the third if I find a cloning code for Platinum. (I have one for Pearl, but I've already traded all of my stuff over to Plat and don't have a 2nd DS handy at the moment to trade back.)

EDIT: Done. I bred a few extras, so if anyone else feels like claiming one, here's what I've got:

Three female Pichu (2 Jolly, 1 Calm) w/ Volt Tackle
Two male Chimchar (both Hasty) w/ Flamethrower + Grass Knot

I'm not looking for any particular Pokemon in return, but if you happen to have a DeepSeaTooth or Root Fossil, I'd gladly take either off your hands. If not, a Heart Scale, Star Piece, Rare Candy, PP Up, vitamin, Nugget, or any other particularly valuable item would be appreciated. Not required, though. I'm fine with accepting vendor trash and nothing else.

FC is 2750-6983-3519, PM if interested.
 

TP

Member
I just caught my first shiny pokemon =O
A Floatzel on Route 221 while leveling up a Bronzong, I shall cherish it forever
 
And now, even without GAF's help, I have a TRU Shaymin and Volt Tackle Pikachu (which I hatched myself). :lol

Time to put Shaymin in the box until the E4 and take on the 5th Gym!
 

Stage On

Member
Would anyone be willing to give me a Turtwig? I don't really have anything to give back in return at the moment but it would be greatly apprecaited

my fc is 3824 4403 7564
 

Sixfortyfive

He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Stage On said:
Would anyone be willing to give me a Turtwig? I don't really have anything to give back in return at the moment but it would be greatly apprecaited

my fc is 3824 4403 7564
Giard said:
I'm gonna try and borrow my friends USB dongle this week..I'd love to get a male Wish Eevee from anyone
I can get both of these.

I've caught over 450 Pokemon, so I can probably provide just about anything that can breed. Pretty much the only things I don't have yet are any exclusives that are only available in Leaf Green, Ruby, and Sapphire.
 
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Deleted member 21120

Unconfirmed Member
Stage On said:
Would anyone be willing to give me a Turtwig? I don't really have anything to give back in return at the moment but it would be greatly apprecaited

my fc is 3824 4403 7564
I can give you one. My FC is 3352 0373 9659. I can get you one in egg form or already hatched. Let me know when you want to log on.
 
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Deleted member 21120

Unconfirmed Member
Crazymoogle said:
Still transferring over from Pearl to Platinum. Back to 395/492! -_-
Dude, I have 492 as well and I can't even imagine doing that! Haha
 

Stage On

Member
Wow that's a lot of pokemon to transfer over!

Come to think of it I still need to transfer the event pokemon that were given to me from Pearl over to Platinum.

Hope one of my friends has a Ds handy since I don't think I'll be getting a second one anytime soon lol

edit: I'm ready to trade whenever you are! Thanks again very much
 
Stage On said:
Wow that's a lot of pokemon to transfer over!

Come to think of it I still need to transfer the event pokemon that were given to me from Pearl over to Platinum.

Well it's not like I'm transferring the full 492. Just everything of note. I'm also frequently using daycare to breed out the baby/1st evo pokemon. But still...my Pearl save now has a 98% full PC of basically just Bidoof/Roselia/Shinx/Piplup. :lol

EDIT: I suppose this is roughly what it must be like to play WoW regularly, only without the subscription fee.
 
In the midst of doing the Emerald to Platinum transfers, I'm also doing the Lilycove Lottery glitch to get as many PP Ups as I can to transfer with the Pokemon. Fun times.
 

Ravidrath

Member
Supposedly the Platinum version of Pokemon Ranch is due "in April," which means... hopefully we'll see it tomorrow? My PC is getting full, too, and I've just started putting things over from my GBA carts.
 

Jiggy

Member
About time on Ranch. I do hope it's updated tomorrow.



Giard said:
Holy analysing Batman
What if he'd use moves such as Ice Punch, Earthquake? We can assume the EVs would go in Attack. Besides Flamethrower and Thunderbolt/Discharge, Electivire's special move repertoire is pretty weak IMO.
Sure it is. Again, though, depends on what you're trying to attack:

ThunderPunch from Adamant Electivire with 252 in Attack vs. Impish Skarmory with 252 in HP and Defense: 45-53%
Thunderbolt from Adamant Electivire with 0 in Special Attack vs. Careful Skarmory with 252 in HP and 252 in Special Defense: 53-63%

Note, Careful Skarmory just isn't something people do. But the point is that even if you turned all the wheels against using Thunderbolt, its minimum damage is still the same as ThunderPunch's maximum damage... again, if Skarmory is the opponent. (These calculations are without held items on anything, but that doesn't matter since Life Orb would just be a 30% boost across the board, or whatever item you want.)


Basically, just don't overrate the values of EVs. They make 63 stat points, or 69 with a nature, but the difference between Skarmory's base 140 Defense and base 70 Special Defense makes for a difference of 140 stat points even before EVs and nature boosts are applied. That more than compensates for any difference in where the Electivire's EVs are.

Nothing wrong with an all-physical Electivire, really. It just means that instead of being worried about running out of Cross Chop PP so that Blissey and Snorlax can stop your mixed Electivire dead cold, you get to be worried that somewhere on the enemy team there's a Pokemon with Reflect or Will-O-Wisp who'll get to stop your physical Electivire dead cold.
 
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