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The Official Street Fighter IV Thread of FADCing a Stranger in the Alps
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Finally cracked 2000bp, but I know I can do better. Far too many instances of facing a predictable opponent, but for one reason or another I completely blow the punishment and end up eating more damage trying. Parrying made punishing predictable opponents so much easier.
I'm a few pages late, but good games to Bob.
I'm a few pages late, but good games to Bob.
LakeEarth said:
Ugh. I hate it when people say that parrying made predictable opponents easier to punish. They're easy to punish no matter what. All parrying did was make the long-range game near useless, and allowed people who couldn't think their way out of situations a way to twitch out. SF3 series made me an SNK fan. Seriously.
I understand people who don't like parrying, it did limit certain styles of play. But I just hate it when someone does a move that is punishable by block, but then I can't punish online because with even a good connection, they can spam a SRK to punish the punish.arstal said:
Don't get me wrong, I love SFIV and I agree that the way it is designed, parrying wouldn't work. But damn, parrying would definitely make punishing Dictator easier.
Pop On Arrival said:
I'd be happy with themes for the chars that don't have them, and making it where char themes play in online vs instead of those stupid generic themes.
Capcom music peaked at SFA2 and has been downhill ever since.
LakeEarth said:
Don't aim to punish the move, aim to punish the SRK that comes after- the other guy isn't doing it on reaction. If you know a certain Dict move is coming, like EX stomp, you can do something to punish it (EX stomp a forward dash gives you a free grab as punishment)
Ultimately parries made only one style of play in SF relevant, you couldn't play the game any other way really. The top tier in SF3 were the chars who had the most effecitve hit-confirms- cause there was no other way to play.
Parrying really made SF3 feel so un-Street Fighter :arstal said:
* high level games are all relegated to close range games of pokes, parries, and hit confirms
* range games are a joke even at mid level
* no SF2 tactic whatsoever since the best option at almost all times is parry - regular throws do such mediocre damage and can be broken out of easily. So the worst thing you're afraid of is the hit confirms and parries take care of all that.
* charge characters are out since the parry system easily negates any chance to turtle and play wall (all charge characters in SF2/4 will be darn near useless in SF3)
* so no SF2 tactics, no charge characters, no range games, and all fights relegated to who has the best hit confirm and pokes makes the diversity of the game very, very low.
Changing parry to focus attack in SF4 is probably one of the wisest decisions I've seen for Capcom. It's high risk and high reward unlike the SF3 parry which is low risk/high reward.
I can see why SF3 never made it big with the mainstream - sure loved the animation though. Hopefully KOFXII doesn't make the same mistake SF3 made.
Now if only they can do something about Sagat's and Boxer's low risk/high reward options.
Rocky_Balboa
Member
I'm getting a LOT of Ryus now. Both player and ranked. Also few Sagats. I just fought a turtling Sagat and I lost. I hate losing when I think I could have won the match easily. If the player is clearly better then I enjoy playing whether I lose or win. But the other way around, it is not fun at all.
Also I got a little bit better with Boxer combos. They are pretty easy anyway but now I added EX-OH dash - c.lk. HB -> ultra to my combo list. Or sometimes without the ultra because it isn't very effective because of the scaling. But improving none the less.
Also I got a little bit better with Boxer combos. They are pretty easy anyway but now I added EX-OH dash - c.lk. HB -> ultra to my combo list. Or sometimes without the ultra because it isn't very effective because of the scaling. But improving none the less.
Augemitbutter
Member
im getting ryu-spammed for about two weeks now. most of the ken players have left or switched to him. sagat is a different story. sometimes i wouldnt see him for an hour or longer, other times i get three in a row. it seems akuma fell from grace once people realised how to avoid his super and ultra.
blanka, oh blanka.....
blanka, oh blanka.....
Augemitbutter
Member
yea, i hate chasing him around too :lol
singularity
Member
Hi. I'm one of those vega players. Was just playing now and finally hit 2000BP.
I used to be a Ryu/Blanka player in SF2 (never played Super, Alpha, and I hated 3 -- so I'm one of those old school SF2 players that Capcom went after) and I like them here too, but I've gravitated to Vega as a counter to all the EX focus, cancels and other high level shit that I just. can. not. do. I think I've managed to complete three hard trials total; and there are MANY regular ones I can't do. Though Vega does have moves like that, with him (and Blanka, to a lesser degree) I feel like I can be competitive with him without worrying about those. What I lack in high-level execution, I feel I more than make-up (with Vega, especially) for with smart play. I can't combo, but I can come in, do a few strikes, and regroup. Lot of mind games with him and I love psyching out players. And considering how many (especially in the first few weeks) fireball chuckers there were online, it was easy to make them pay. In doing that, he's grown on me.
I used to be a Ryu/Blanka player in SF2 (never played Super, Alpha, and I hated 3 -- so I'm one of those old school SF2 players that Capcom went after) and I like them here too, but I've gravitated to Vega as a counter to all the EX focus, cancels and other high level shit that I just. can. not. do. I think I've managed to complete three hard trials total; and there are MANY regular ones I can't do. Though Vega does have moves like that, with him (and Blanka, to a lesser degree) I feel like I can be competitive with him without worrying about those. What I lack in high-level execution, I feel I more than make-up (with Vega, especially) for with smart play. I can't combo, but I can come in, do a few strikes, and regroup. Lot of mind games with him and I love psyching out players. And considering how many (especially in the first few weeks) fireball chuckers there were online, it was easy to make them pay. In doing that, he's grown on me.
Claw's problem is not really the shotos, it's the Blankas, Balrogs, and Giefs.singularity said:
For those three, Claw has to play really carefully.
EDIT: I suggest picking Blanka or Gen as a secondary - they're mobile, offensive-oriented, and can make good counters for some of the tough match-ups Claw have.
Blanka's a charge character who can play much better grounded mix-ups than Claw - his ultra is great for finishing people off with chip damage.
With Gen, you can mix and mash between his charge styles (Crane) and the offensive Mantis style which only requires you to mash P for combos.
Gen also has some very easy combos if you have super and ultra:
1) cr.LK from Crane
2) SUPER P
3) ULTRA PPP
4) Profit!!!
AZ Greg
Member
Now that I got my arcade stick repaired I can finally start using other characters besides Vega competently. Trying to work on Ryu since I'm a little bored of charge characters. Anyone want some matches on XBL? My Ryu is pretty bad but I need to get some time in with him. If you don't mind beating up on a punching bag then hit me up. Tag - AZ Greg
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
LakeEarth said:
Yeah, we gotta link up again. I'm probably out of commission till Sunday night though. Friggin' SE stick I modded is still giving me beef as well--HP & FP buttons wonked out on me twice. I'm hoping it was just that the disconnects weren't on snug enough.
OK, I found a new strategy for Ken's Hard Trial #5:
-Jump HK
-Crouch LP
-Crouch MP
-Heavy SRK
-FADC
**PAUSE THE FUCKING GAME**
**GET UR SHIT STRAIGHT**
**UNPAUSE**
-EX Air Hurricane Kick
-Ultra
If that's what I gotta do, that's what I'm gonna do :lol
(yes, I have it muted. If I hear Ken say "Try this on for size!" one more time, I'm gonna blow my brains out)
-Jump HK
-Crouch LP
-Crouch MP
-Heavy SRK
-FADC
**PAUSE THE FUCKING GAME**
**GET UR SHIT STRAIGHT**
**UNPAUSE**
-EX Air Hurricane Kick
-Ultra
If that's what I gotta do, that's what I'm gonna do :lol
(yes, I have it muted. If I hear Ken say "Try this on for size!" one more time, I'm gonna blow my brains out)
FindMyFarms
Member
UC1 said:
He said the air ex tatsu gives him trouble. Give him a break.
I DID IT!!! 
I think it was the opposite for me (not long for #4 and #5...DAYS :lol). I think I realized that I would get too anxious after the FADC and either completely mess up the EX Air Hurricane or land it way too late.
But whatever. Wish I thought of pausing the game a few days ago :lol
UC1 said:
I think it was the opposite for me (not long for #4 and #5...DAYS :lol). I think I realized that I would get too anxious after the FADC and either completely mess up the EX Air Hurricane or land it way too late.
But whatever. Wish I thought of pausing the game a few days ago :lol
As long as we're on trials: What the fuck is up with balrog's normal trial #5? I'm supposed to link a lp into a hk? ok, fine... but it just doesn't work. And it's so god damn frustrating. Long, potentially useful combos are fine, I understand why they are difficult and I understand at what point I'm messing up and why, etc. But this buuuullshit is so god damn fucked up. I press too fast the hk doesn't come out, I press to late Dan blocks... How fucking small is the window on this thing? This is some VF Akira shit. I'd probably have better luck squeezing my erect dick up my nostril and blow a load on my brain.
And when the fuck do I need to hit confirm a fucking hk?! it doesn't do any damage I can't get at easier with ten other combos that don't require bullet-time to input.
And it's so god damn frustrating. Long, potentially useful combos are fine, I understand why they are difficult and I understand at what point I'm messing up and why, etc. But this buuuullshit is so god damn fucked up. I press too fast the hk doesn't come out, I press to late Dan blocks... How fucking small is the window on this thing? This is some VF Akira shit. I'd probably have better luck squeezing my erect dick up my nostril and blow a load on my brain.And when the fuck do I need to hit confirm a fucking hk?! it doesn't do any damage I can't get at easier with ten other combos that don't require bullet-time to input.
Ugh, people used to complain about Sagat's legs and I never really saw why until today. Damn those things. Does he really need them?
Anyways, fought my first Rufus player today. Really good japanese guy too. Got my ass handed quite a few times until I was able to figure out how to break through his pressure game. Won three rounds and he quit. Made me sad; it was a really really fun match, like almost the most fun I've ever had online.
I really suck at doing crossups with Ken. I keep waiting until just before the other guy wakes up before jumping in with MK, but almost all the good guys I've played can see it coming.
Anyways, fought my first Rufus player today. Really good japanese guy too. Got my ass handed quite a few times until I was able to figure out how to break through his pressure game. Won three rounds and he quit. Made me sad; it was a really really fun match, like almost the most fun I've ever had online.
I really suck at doing crossups with Ken. I keep waiting until just before the other guy wakes up before jumping in with MK, but almost all the good guys I've played can see it coming.
FindMyFarms
Member
Brobzoid said:As long as we're on trials: What the fuck is up with balrog's normal trial #5? I'm supposed to link a lp into a hk? ok, fine... but it just doesn't work.
And when the fuck do I need to hit confirm a fucking hk?! it doesn't do any damage I can't get at easier with ten other combos that don't require bullet-time to input.
You can hit confirm a cr. hk of a cr. lp as well. I usually use it if I land one or two cr. lp's but don't have a charge ready. Granted, I can only get it to work half the time, but when I do, it lets you play wake up games.
UC1 said:
I can see how #4 could be harder than #5. Once I turned the first 3-hit combo into a 4-hit combo, the only tricky part (for me) was timing the Ultra after the medium SRK. Kinda like Chun-Li's Hard #5 and timing the Ultra just right at the end for an airborne opponent.
Ken's Hard #5 was extremely difficult for me because it seemed like I had hit a wall and couldn't do any better. It was like I couldn't stop choking :-/
GalacticAE
Member
A Ryu stage with a scrolling moon would be cool.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
The only trial where I said, "Fuck you Capcom" is C. Viper's hard 1. I'll never pull that off.
sixteen-bit
Member
Hard 1 is the only Hard Viper trial I can actually do.SapientWolf said:
It gets harder.
oh update: finished all of Dictator's hard trials.
The last one seems kinda unnecessary IMO, but what do i know :lol
Im on Abel's hard trial where you go c. mp > lp change of direction > FADC > c. hp > lk roll > falling sky
I always screw up the last part and wind up doing a super instead of a falling sky
The last one seems kinda unnecessary IMO, but what do i know :lol
Im on Abel's hard trial where you go c. mp > lp change of direction > FADC > c. hp > lk roll > falling sky
I always screw up the last part and wind up doing a super instead of a falling sky
heh, I always do his falling sky when I mean to do a superThrei said:Im on Abel's hard trial where you go c. mp > lp change of direction > FADC > c. hp > lk roll > falling sky
I always screw up the last part and wind up doing a super instead of a falling sky
I don't like c.hp > roll > falling sky. I never use it, I always just skip the roll and go right into falling sky.
singularity
Member
Arde5643 said:
Yeah, I know. I played a few Balrogs and the remotely good ones destroyed me. Haven't had too much trouble with Blanka, but I think the ones I played against weren't too good. Too easy to psyche them out into electric and then punish them for it. Good Guile players give me trouble too, but I think it's mostly due to not having faced too many of them.
Blanka's (sometimes Sakura) my second though so I definitely understand the weaknesses and strengths between them. Working on my Viper and Chun-Li a bit too, but I'm not consistent enough with them.
NYR
Member
I think Sat. Morning and Afternoon is a real bad time to play - I won 13 in a row today, and I am think I am a less then above average (win % - 69% after 400+ matches).
I think it is mostly kiddys catching up after a long week of school, but I was pretty surprised, a lot of spamming and a LOT of Kens - not that I care, Sagat whoops them hard.
I think it is mostly kiddys catching up after a long week of school, but I was pretty surprised, a lot of spamming and a LOT of Kens - not that I care, Sagat whoops them hard.
FindMyFarms
Member
I wish they put more effort into SF4's backgrounds. The only ones that are any good is the one with random people jumping out of the plane, and the one with the fat kid dancing.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
I just noticed that the people in the drive-in background react to the fight. If you do an ultra finisher the guy falls off the car. :lolFindMyFarms said: