The Official Usain Bolt ballwashing thread

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DY_nasty said:
Swimming records are broken all.de.time
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So what?

Phelps competed in numerous strokes, which are all very different from one another. Running is running; I know there are strategic considerations for different distances, but Bolt isn't not doing anything DIFFERENTLY. He just does one thing, and he's fucking amazing at it.

Phelps' accomplishments are astonishing; dominating so many different events at a single Olympic Games, the epic finishes, the sheer and utter agony of competing in so many qualifiers, heats, and races, back-to-back-to-back. Bolt blew the field away, and was just as amazing, in my opinion.

But calling Phelps a pre-school tetherball athlete compared to Bolt? X26, shut the fuck up.
 
Teddman said:
As long as Phelps holds the title of "Most Decorated Olympian of All Time," I think he'll be remembered just fine in all countries.
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Doesn't mean much when there's more events for swimming (many of them arbitrary) than for running. A lot of phelps medals are the equivalent to having events in sprinting like 50m, 150m, 250m, 100m backwards (all of which bolt would win mind you).
 
Feep said:
So what?

Phelps competed in numerous strokes, which are all very different from one another. Running is running; I know there are strategic considerations for different distances, but Bolt isn't not doing anything DIFFERENTLY. He just does one thing, and he's fucking amazing at it.

Phelps' accomplishments are amazing; dominating so many different events at a single Olympic Games, the epic finishes, the sheer and utter agony of competing in so many qualifiers, heats, and races, back-to-back-to-back. Bolt blew the field away, and was just as amazing, in my opinion.

But calling Phelps a pre-school tetherball athlete compared to Bolt? X26, shut the fuck up.
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Thats kind of my point. Swimming is a whole bunch of...

whatever, this is a Usain Bolt thread, and he's the fastest mofo in the world.
 
Feep said:
But calling Phelps a pre-school tetherball athlete compared to Bolt? X26, shut the fuck up.
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Ms. Phelps, I was merely using the comparrison to illustrate the difference in importance and prestige between the two sports, it was not a knock on your disfigured son.
 
X26 said:
Doesn't mean much when there's more events for swimming (many of them arbitrary) than for running. A lot of phelps medals are the equivalent to having events in sprinting like 50m, 150m, 250m, 100m backwards (all of which bolt would win mind you).
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Why didn't Bolt enter the long jump? In the past, many Olympic gold medalists for the 100 & 200 also took home the long jump medal (such as Carl Lewis).

The amount of event favoring swimming is not a good point to argue when Bolt didn't maximize the number of medals he could win in track & field anyway. He's an amazing sprinter, but he is not the most versatile.
 
Teddman said:
Why didn't Bolt enter the long jump? In the past, many Olympic gold medalists for the 100 & 200 also took home the long jump medal (such as Carl Lewis).

The amount of event favoring swimming is not a good point to argue when Bolt didn't maximize the number of medals he could win in track & field anyway. He's an amazing sprinter, but he is not the most versatile.
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Thats like arguing that Kobe Bryant should also play WR SINCE HE'S THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD AMIRITE
 
Not at all. As I pointed out, other world record holders and gold medalists in Bolt's events have taken home gold in the long jump. It's a valid point when one is complaining about how many swimming events favored Phelps. Phelps is more versatile in his sport than Bolt.
 
Teddman said:
Not at all. As I pointed out, other world record holders and gold medalists in Bolt's event have taken home gold in the long jump. It's a valid point when one is complaining about how many swimming events favored Phelps.
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But they didn't run a 9.5
 
X26 said:
Doesn't mean much when there's more events for swimming (many of them arbitrary) than for running. A lot of phelps medals are the equivalent to having events in sprinting like 50m, 150m, 250m, 100m backwards (all of which bolt would win mind you).
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Different strokes in swimming are much more varied than different lengths in racing. They are completely different actions.

And yeah, I think Phelps will be remembered just fine.
 
Feep said:
Different strokes in swimming are much more varied than different lengths in racing. They are completely different actions.

And yeah, I think Phelps will be remembered just fine.
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For winning eight medals in the Olympics in one year, not for being a dominant athlete... Hell, Phelps has already proven that he's nothing without his spider suit.
 
Why the fuck are people arguing swimming with sprinting? No one gives a shit about swimming. How many fucking people do competitive swimming? Next to no one. From since we are toddlers we run and the best of us are selected out and brought up to run faster. With swimming, this doesn't occur as not everyone swims or if ever care about how fast they swim. Destroying a sprinting world record and then following it up by destroying it again is way more prestigious than winning a plethora of swimming medals. Usain Bolt was the king of the olympics and the only reason why you can argue against him is using your national pride get in the way of worshiping true greatness.
 
Teddman said:
The story of Phelps' 8 medals in Beijing and the dramatic fashion in which they were won is one that will endure in Olympic history.
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Take your Phelps love to the Phelps appreciation thread that doesn't exist.
 
So here's my bold Bolt prediction. I say in 3-4 years, while still in his prime, he walks away from the sport like Barry Sanders did in football.
 
DY_nasty said:
For winning eight medals in the Olympics in one year, not for being a dominant athlete... Hell, Phelps has already proven that he's nothing without his spider suit.
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You mean barely losing to a guy who DID have the suit?

The suit bullshit in swimming is out of control, but there's a multiple SECOND difference between having the suit and not having it.

Anyway, I'm out of here. I think Bolt is amazing and deserves the thread, but disrespecting the greatest Olympian in history (Yep. Bolt broke two world records. Have fun.) is ridiculous.

Edit-just-couldn't-resist: Oh, yeah, people give a shit about Track and Field ALL THE GODDAMN TIME.
 
Feep said:
You mean barely losing to a guy who DID have the suit?

The suit bullshit in swimming is out of control, but there's a multiple SECOND difference between having the suit and not having it.

Anyway, I'm out of here. I think Bolt is amazing and deserves the thread, but disrespecting the greatest Olympian in history (Yep. Bolt broke two world records. Have fun.) is ridiculous.
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Why is he the greatest Olympian? Medal count? He doesn't even have the most medals ever, Larysa Latynina has 18 medals. Bolt competed in the more prestigious sport and dominated which puts him over any of the "sports that people only care about every 4 years" like swimming.
 
Feep said:
You mean barely losing to a guy who DID have the suit?

The suit bullshit in swimming is out of control, but there's a multiple SECOND difference between having the suit and not having it.

Anyway, I'm out of here. I think Bolt is amazing and deserves the thread, but disrespecting the greatest Olympian in history (Yep. Bolt broke two world records. Have fun.) is ridiculous.
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lol wat
 
And Phelps is a pot head while it's safe to say Bolt, growing up in Jamaica and living there his whole life, has NEVER touched the stuff...
 
Big-E said:
Why is he the greatest Olympian? Medal count? He doesn't even have the most medals ever, Larysa Latynina has 18 medals. Bolt competed in the more prestigious sport and dominated which puts him over any of the "sports that people only care about every 4 years" like swimming.
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Phelps has the most gold medals and the most gold medals in a single games. If you are going to argue that overall medals are more important... Well, I guess you consider the U.S. as the top country in the Beijing games? :D

I would say for Bolt to have truly dominated track & field overall, he'd need that elusive long jump medal. He certainly dominated in the events he deigned to compete in (100m & 200m).
 
Teddman said:
Phelps has the most gold medals and the most gold medals in a single games.

I would say for Bolt to have truly dominated track & field overall, he'd need that elusive long jump medal. He certainly dominated in the events he deigned to compete in (100m & 200m).
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Ya it doesn't matter how he has destroyed the field the likes of which we have never seen before cause he doesn't have that long jump medal. Jesus Christ. Bolt should really be doing both the pentathlon and the decathlon as well because sprinting is a part of those events.

EDIT: And no I don't think the USA won as they got shit kicked in gold count. The Russian had 9 golds out of those medals and for an individual, medal count is probably of more value than the total for a nation as pooling all those bronze medals for a country doesn't really say much.
 
Big-E said:
EDIT: And no I don't think the USA won as they got shit kicked in gold count. The Russian had 9 golds out of those medals and for an individual, medal count is probably of more value than the total for a nation as pooling all those bronze medals for a country doesn't really say much.
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OK. Kind of pointless for you to bring up Larysa Latynina then. Phelps has sixteen medals, only two less overall than she does but FIVE more golds.
 
Teddman said:
OK. Kind of pointless for you to bring up Larysa Latynina then.
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No i just said that I take individual medal count more highly than I do a nations. I don't care about some joe blow getting a single bronze and adding it to a country count but if a person is able to amass the most medals in history than I am going to look at that in better standing.
 
"Rather than risk further injury, I've decided that I will not compete in tomorrow's first round of the 200," Gay said in a statement. "This decision will give me the best chance to be ready for the (4x100) relay. I want to help our relay as best I can."
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The relay?! :lol


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Teddman said:
Why didn't Bolt enter the long jump? In the past, many Olympic gold medalists for the 100 & 200 also took home the long jump medal (such as Carl Lewis).

The amount of event favoring swimming is not a good point to argue when Bolt didn't maximize the number of medals he could win in track & field anyway. He's an amazing sprinter, but he is not the most versatile.
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There have been TWO athletes that have won the long jump and the 100 and 200 in the Olympics. Carl Lewis and Jesse Owens, end of list. Even the 100 and 200 combo is pretty rare.

X26 said:
Doesn't mean much when there's more events for swimming (many of them arbitrary) than for running. A lot of phelps medals are the equivalent to having events in sprinting like 50m, 150m, 250m, 100m backwards (all of which bolt would win mind you).
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I always use the example of Olympic basketball. What if in addition to the normal games, they had PIG, HORSE, dribbling, dunking, 3-point competition, one-on-one, 13, 21, 21-make it take it, 2v2, 3v3, 3v3 full court, etc. I bet LeBron James AND Kobe Bryant would have 8 gold medals just from Beijing. I don't want to take anything away from Michael Phelps, but swimming as a sport is just a fucking joke because of all of the overlapping events and the hi-tech swimsuit bs.
 
chuckddd said:
I don't want to take anything away from Michael Phelps, but swimming as a sport is just a fucking joke because of all of the overlapping events and the hi-tech swimsuit bs.
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You could say the same of track and field for different reasons. HOW many Olympic track champions have been found to have been using steroids now?

Not that I personally care, but if you are going to throw stones at the integrity of swimming from the glass house of track and field...
 
Yes, he sprinted through the finish line for a change, even if he did turn his head to look at the clock. Yes, his reaction time out of the starting blocks was better than in Beijing. And, yes, he was in the lead after just 20 meters, which is good work for a man of his height who usually trails more compact sprinters early in the race.

But according to former the world-record holder Donovan Bailey of Canada, Bolt straightened up too early, thereby losing early propulsion. “In Beijing, of all the finalists, he was the worst technically,” Bailey said. “He’s improved a lot, but he can still go faster and improve his first 30 meters.”

Guy Ontanon, a veteran French sprint coach, analyzed Sunday’s final for the French sports newspaper L’Équipe and also remarked on Bolt’s premature rise from the drive phase. “He really gave it what he had, which explains the time game,” Ontanon wrote. “But he can still pick up five- or six-hundredths of a second. It’s monstrous to do what he did in this race, despite that error.”
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Scary stuff...
 
ForzaItalia said:
Scary stuff...
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It really is how a man can destroy every single man in his path and still have some holes in his technique which when fixed can make him even better. The fact that he could potentially break the 9.5 barrier and enter into the 9.4's is almost sickening.
 
Big-E said:
Why the fuck are people arguing swimming with sprinting? No one gives a shit about swimming. How many fucking people do competitive swimming? Next to no one. From since we are toddlers we run and the best of us are selected out and brought up to run faster. With swimming, this doesn't occur as not everyone swims or if ever care about how fast they swim. Destroying a sprinting world record and then following it up by destroying it again is way more prestigious than winning a plethora of swimming medals. Usain Bolt was the king of the olympics and the only reason why you can argue against him is using your national pride get in the way of worshiping true greatness.
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this.

no disrespect to swimmers but running is something anyone can do at any time, it's probably the most competitive facet of athleticism in the world because of it's simplicity. absolutely anyone, from anywhere can become a runner as long as they have legs and solid ground.
 
Teddman said:
You could say the same of track and field for different reasons. HOW many Olympic track champions have been found to have been using steroids now?

Not that I personally care, but if you are going to throw stones at the integrity of swimming from the glass house of track and field...
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Yeah, because swimming champions would never, ever take an illegal substance.

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Big-E said:
It really is how a man can destroy every single man in his path and still have some holes in his technique which when fixed can make him even better. The fact that he could potentially break the 9.5 barrier and enter into the 9.4's is almost sickening.
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It really is. Apparently he finished the race in 41 strides while the others took 45-48 strides. The BBC also said he ran from 60-80 metres in 1.61 seconds. :lol
 
I'm gonna be really, really disappointed if Bolt is doping. I mean like, I'll never care about athletics again disappointed.

Steroids suck and completely ruin everything.
 
Came here to bash doped athletes... On the other hand I like cycling, so I better shut up. I think it's ok to appreciate Bolt's performance because his opponents are on the same juice. There's just nothing one can do about it, doping and pro sports go hand in hand. Talent is a factor, but give an athlete from 20 years ago the stuff they take now = similar performance. Sad but true.

The only thing that pisses me off is the media with their selective choice of reporting about doping in certain disciplines. 95% of professional sports are doping infected. Live with it.
 
The Jamaican women dominated the 100m again.

1 JAM Shelly-Ann Fraser 10.73
2 JAM Kerron Stewart 10.75
3 USA Carmelita Jeter 10.90
 
Bolt will not break the 200M record in Berlin. I'm hearing that since that car accident, his foot hasn't properly healed enough for him to practice the bend for the 200M.
 
Big-E said:
It really is how a man can destroy every single man in his path and still have some holes in his technique which when fixed can make him even better. The fact that he could potentially break the 9.5 barrier and enter into the 9.4's is almost sickening.
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I remember everyone wondering way back how Michael Johnson was able to run so damn fast when his form is not very good at ALL. :lol

Funny how these sprinters keep defying logic to blow everyone away.
 
Found this on the net. Probably very old but:

That is the effect that the Olympics had on Jamaica. Barbara Blake Hannah, a special consultant to the Ministry of Information, Culture and Sports, said: “Sports is one thing that holds Jamaica together. I heard that on the day of Bolt’s 100 metres, no one here was killed. Even murder took a holiday for him.”

In a country where the average homicide rate is nearly three per day, this is alarming. In fact, based on per capita of 100,000 people, Jamaica ranks 3rd for the highest homicide rates!
 
British bookmakers are betting that Bolt will get there. As of Monday morning, Ladbrokes is giving 3-1 odds that the 22-year-old Bolt will run under 9.5 seconds by the end of September.

"You'd have to think he can't keep getting faster, but we wouldn't put it past him," Ladbrokes spokesman Robin Hutchison said in a statement.
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Tilburg University said last month in its study that 9.51 was the "estimated ultimate world record." But Tilburg's Sander Smeets said Bolt's performance on Sunday could push the statistical analysis to 9.50.

"He is really getting close now," Smeets said in a telephone interview from the Netherlands. "It surely is happening all very fast."
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I love how they say one thing and then realize they have no clue what Bolt is capable of...

:lol


He was actually slower over the first 20m than in Beijing (2.89sec to 2.87sec) but what made the vast difference was his lack of concentration as he covered the final 40m in Beijing in 3.37sec. On Sunday, in contrast, he covered the equivalent stretch in 3.27sec, a whole tenth of a second quicker. Between 60m and 80m, he topped 46kph (28.58mph).
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Interesting...
 
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