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The Oily, Gentlemanly Super Spin Fighter 4 Reveal Thread of Kunoichis and Karatekas

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Stantron

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Dead body hits are still in.
FUCK YES! I was so bummed when they said it was taken out. As trivial as it is, I love to do it so much. :D

No offline replays.
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Seems like they could easily patch this though.
 

zlatko

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Caj814 said:
Most of that was CPU vs CPU

Haha I hope so. What parts weren't though? Just so I can possibly retract my "these guys suck" attitude if need be.

Also I don't know if it's been discussed a lot on here, but WOW does Sagats Ultra 2 suck. From the videos people have seen does ANYONE have a weaker ultra? I get the whole "hey Sagat doesn't needs to be tweaked to be nerfed," but why even give him a second ultra? That thing is clearly a bigger joke than Dan or Hakan "pooping" people out into walls. :lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKHDT2pICFs&feature=related

Here's a video for people who want to see just how unworth that Ultra really is. Maybe some pros can show me the light on where that Ultra will be more useful than his Ultra 1.
 

arstal

Whine Whine FADC Troll
zlatko said:
Haha I hope so. What parts weren't though? Just so I can possibly retract my "these guys suck" attitude if need be.

Also I don't know if it's been discussed a lot on here, but WOW does Sagats Ultra 2 suck. From the videos people have seen does ANYONE have a weaker ultra? I get the whole "hey Sagat doesn't needs to be tweaked to be nerfed," but why even give him a second ultra? That thing is clearly a bigger joke than Dan or Hakan "pooping" people out into walls. :lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKHDT2pICFs&feature=related

Here's a video for people who want to see just how unworth that Ultra really is. Maybe some pros can show me the light on where that Ultra will be more useful than his Ultra 1.

Maybe it's real good at punishing long range projectiles, forcing them to get in?
 

Steaks

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zlatko said:
Haha I hope so. What parts weren't though? Just so I can possibly retract my "these guys suck" attitude if need be.

Also I don't know if it's been discussed a lot on here, but WOW does Sagats Ultra 2 suck. From the videos people have seen does ANYONE have a weaker ultra? I get the whole "hey Sagat doesn't needs to be tweaked to be nerfed," but why even give him a second ultra? That thing is clearly a bigger joke than Dan or Hakan "pooping" people out into walls. :lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKHDT2pICFs&feature=related

Here's a video for people who want to see just how unworth that Ultra really is. Maybe some pros can show me the light on where that Ultra will be more useful than his Ultra 1.
Ultras can have utility you know. Plus his first ultra got a huge damage nerf anyway, and damage scaling is really showing.

His second ultra will be important versus some characters, such as Blanka, which will likely allow him to unconditionally punish every variation of ball, as well as use it in fireball wars (its faster than Metsu Hadouken and you can actually reliably use it as anti-fireball in some situations). It can probably also punish yoga snipers from any range etc. Don't just look at a moves damage and think it's useless :)
 

Shito

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kitzkozan said:
Dead body hits are still in.
Weird, a journalist friend who have access to a preview disc just told me that in his version dead body hits are not possible anymore, like previously announced.
 

BitchTits

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Arde5643 said:
RIP Gen April 2010:

List of bullshit
So much bullshit, poor Gen :(

SF4: Nerf all the interesting individual characters or give them useless Ultras, gotta keep the shoto scrubs happy.

At least Vega got some good stuff.
 

zlatko

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kensk said:
Ultras can have utility you know. Plus his first ultra got a huge damage nerf anyway, and damage scaling is really showing.

His second ultra will be important versus some characters, such as Blanka, which will likely allow him to unconditionally punish every variation of ball, as well as use it in fireball wars (its faster than Metsu Hadouken and you can actually reliably use it as anti-fireball in some situations). It can probably also punish yoga snipers from any range etc. Don't just look at a moves damage and think it's useless :)

Okay that makes it less awful then my original impression was. It'll be interesting to see once the game hits how many Sagats use it versus Ultra 1.

Anyone have a link to a video of Sagat Ultra 1 damage scaling now in Super?
 

LowParry

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Lost Fragment said:
New pet peeve: when people complain about gaming journos not being all that great at Street Fighter.

I don't get what people expect from previews from gaming sites. They usually don't know all that is there when places like GAF or SRK know all the details. Giantbomb is an example. However I had lots of fun watching them play. Can't be hating on journalists. They do what they can but they are not the end all, see all of things.
 
Lost Fragment said:
New pet peeve: when people complain about gaming journos not being all that great at Street Fighter.
it depends
the Gertsmann stream was okay because he had some basic notion of Street Fighterm his intent was to show what the game contained, bonus stages, new characters and stuff. not how to break out a new combo.

but IGN tops as one of the worst websites for gameplay videos when it comes to fighting games.. to the point that it is blaring bad

I have beginier-intermediate and intermediate friends who are more fluent in SF than IGN
 

zlatko

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gutter_trash said:
it depends
the Gertsmann stream was okay because he had some basic notion of Street Fighterm his intent was to show what the game contained, bonus stages, new characters and stuff. not how to break out a new combo.

but IGN tops as one of the worst websites for gameplay videos when it comes to fighting games.. to the point that it is blaring bad

I have beginier-intermediate and intermediate friends who are more fluent in SF than IGN

^ This. I don't expect the sites to be Daigo Jr's by any stretch, but do more than just light punches and kicks. Throw out some fireballs, maybe try a focus attack or a grab, and at the very least pull off your Ultra combo so we get something flashy to look at in your preview of the game.
 
I hate how IGN chops up their videos into a dozen or so two-second exchanges.

Xevren said:
Is Gen the new Dan?

Gen is the new Fei Long.
Dan is the new Ryu.
Dudley is the new Sagat.
Sagat is the new Rose.
Rose is the new Akuma.
Akuma's the new Chun-Li.
Chun-Li is the new Rufus.

Pay attention.
 

Wiseblade

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God's Beard said:
I hate how IGN chops up their videos into a dozen or so two-second exchanges.



Gen is the new Fei Long.
Dan is the new Ryu.
Dudley is the new Sagat.
Sagat is the new Rose.
Rose is the new Akuma.
Akuma's the new Chun-Li.
Chun-Li is the new Rufus.

Pay attention.

Don't forget Vega being the new Ken.
 
zlatko said:
^ This. I don't expect the sites to be Daigo Jr's by any stretch, but do more than just light punches and kicks. Throw out some fireballs, maybe try a focus attack or a grab, and at the very least pull off your Ultra combo so we get something flashy to look at in your preview of the game.
true dat

the Giant Bomb stream was nice enough to answer questions that it could ...
they went so far to show us the new launcher on Vega's Ultra 1 and messed around with certain Ultra setups

the Sumo Headbutt flying over Low Tigers ala SF2 was the icing on the cake for me.. I found that stream to be helpful
 

Corky

Nine out of ten orphans can't tell the difference.
Brobzoid said:
gaf stops caring when a game is actually out though. It's all in the hype cycle.

well in the case of street fighter, its not that people stop caring, rather people play the game ;D
 

Corky

Nine out of ten orphans can't tell the difference.
CcrooK said:
There is no such thing as a flowchart Vega. Not everyone flocks to charge characters. Besides, Vega's the new S-tier :D Godlike!

hey mang, you play vega alot? got some tips for a struggling vega? I usually play charge characters, I guess you could say my "mains" are bison and blanka. But somehow I always get my shit kicked out of me when I play vega.

I can usually hold my own against most run of the mill xbl players, but as soon as I get stuck in a corner with vega I might as well put down the controller. The only thing I've ever been able to escape with is EX- ST, everything else some dude can just mash spam lp and beat me out of eeeeeverything :S. You name it, they beat me out of it :[

I've read stuff on eventhubs and found some kewl stuff there. And shoryuken is....well its shoryuken...
 

Leunam

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CcrooK said:
There is no such thing as a flowchart Vega. Not everyone flocks to charge characters. Besides, Vega's the new S-tier :D Godlike!

Sure there is.

Knocked down? > Yes :( > Double backflip on wakeup > OK > Fuck, got swept > Knocked down? > Yes :( > Double backflip on wakeup > OK > Fuck, got swept > Knocked down? > Yes :( > Double backflip on wakeup > OK > Fuck, got swept > Knocked down? > Yes :( > Double backflip on wakeup > OK > Fuck, got swept > Knocked down? > Yes :( > Double backflip on wakeup > OK > Fuck, got swept > Knocked down?
 

Corky

Nine out of ten orphans can't tell the difference.
Leunam said:
Sure there is.

Knocked down? > Yes :( > Double backflip on wakeup > OK > Fuck, got swept > Knocked down? > Yes :( > Double backflip on wakeup > OK > Fuck, got swept > Knocked down? > Yes :( > Double backflip on wakeup > OK > Fuck, got swept > Knocked down? > Yes :( > Double backflip on wakeup > OK > Fuck, got swept > Knocked down? > Yes :( > Double backflip on wakeup > OK > Fuck, got swept > Knocked down?


doesnt a jump backwards on wakeup remedy all of that ?
 

XenoRaven

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God's Beard said:
How do situations like GameFAQs and Shoryuken happen? Incredible resources, but an incorrigible community of fuckwads.
I think GAF has spoiled you. Most places aren't as selective in regards to who signs up.
 

Krackatoa

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Corky said:
hey mang, you play vega alot? got some tips for a struggling vega? I usually play charge characters, I guess you could say my "mains" are bison and blanka. But somehow I always get my shit kicked out of me when I play vega.

I can usually hold my own against most run of the mill xbl players, but as soon as I get stuck in a corner with vega I might as well put down the controller. The only thing I've ever been able to escape with is EX- ST, everything else some dude can just mash spam lp and beat me out of eeeeeverything :S. You name it, they beat me out of it :[

I've read stuff on eventhubs and found some kewl stuff there. And shoryuken is....well its shoryuken...

From my experience fighting him, Vega really can't do anything safe but block/throw-tech on wakeup, then try and escape the old fashioned way. You might try charging down-back while you're getting up, sit in crouchblock, get ready to tech a throw attempt if they try it, then wait for an opening to use Jab xx EX FBA or back throw to get yourself on the other side.
 

LowParry

Member
Corky said:
hey mang, you play vega alot? got some tips for a struggling vega? I usually play charge characters, I guess you could say my "mains" are bison and blanka. But somehow I always get my shit kicked out of me when I play vega.

I can usually hold my own against most run of the mill xbl players, but as soon as I get stuck in a corner with vega I might as well put down the controller. The only thing I've ever been able to escape with is EX- ST, everything else some dude can just mash spam lp and beat me out of eeeeeverything :S. You name it, they beat me out of it :[

I've read stuff on eventhubs and found some kewl stuff there. And shoryuken is....well its shoryuken...

I know me, AZ Greg and a few others here (I believe) play Vega. Just recently I've been trying to get down the timing with Izuna Drops. They go well against those who try to FA out of a FBA. If you can catch the timings with that, you should have a very solid air game.

Vega's l.lp is a good pressure poke like what you'd find with Balrog. But I don't find it very consistent to just keep poking. Mix it up good with some pressure combo's like l.lp, l.mk -> l.rolling claw attack. Just remember to dash back after a rolling claw attack. Gives you some space to work with, and gives some good ground to use his Leaping Kick (df.hk).

Vega's all about shenanigans from the get go. You could go with say a l.lp, l.lp into arial claw attack (forward) for a quick reversal. You just gotta watch how close you are to a wall.

Scarlet Terror you can also mix into l.lp as well. It's also a great anti air tool for those who like to jump in.

Find some of the basic stuff here: http://www.eventhubs.com/guides/2008/jul/07/vega-claw-street-fighter-4-character-guide/

Good place to start.

Edit: One thing I've found on wake up that's been probably 50% effective is going right into a KKK back flip, then followed with a scarlet terror. It works if your opponent isn't paying attention. They think free hit after the back flip but get their faces wrecked with a scarlet terror.
 
God's Beard said:
How do situations like GameFAQs and Shoryuken happen? Incredible resources, but an incorrigible community of fuckwads.

Allowing children to register is the problem. Not that GAF doesn't have any under 13 year olds on it (it probably does). Any popular site that allows free unlimited registration is going to be flooded with kids.
 

kitzkozan

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God's Beard said:
How do situations like GameFAQs and Shoryuken happen? Incredible resources, but an incorrigible community of fuckwads.

As far as shoryuken goes,don't forget also that a lot of good or near top players are fuckwads as well. :lol

Doesn't really matter anyway,since most of them are nowhere close to being as bad in person.Just grow a thick skin when you post on srk,since a fuckwad is just around the corner. :lol I can't say it enough time as well: don't go into the general discussion of srk for your own IQ safety. :D
 
kitzkozan said:
Just grow a thick skin when you post on srk,since a fuckwad is just around the corner. :lol I can't say it enough time as well: don't go into the general discussion of srk for your own IQ safety. :D
I fucking hate going to SRK but like God said, it has good info. I'd never post there though; my skin could never be thick enough to deal with those dogfluffers.
 
God's Beard said:
How do situations like GameFAQs and Shoryuken happen? Incredible resources, but an incorrigible community of fuckwads.

just drop by for the information and bail out asap, you'll lose your dignity otherwise.
 

ReiGun

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FreedomFrisbee said:
Allowing children to register is the problem. Not that GAF doesn't have any under 13 year olds on it (it probably does). Any popular site that allows free unlimited registration is going to be flooded with kids.
You're giving the kids too much credit. There are some pretty fuck-tarded adults on those sites too. :p

Edit: And to be fair to SRK though, I find their general/regional discussion boards to be okay, mainly because it's usually all jokes there instead of the sometimes deadly serious fg discussion that happens in the other boards.
 

kitzkozan

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Shin_Kojima said:
I fucking hate going to SRK but like God said, it has good info. I'd never post there though; my skin could never be thick enough to deal with those dogfluffers.

I'm going to say it once,so most gaffer know exactly the kind of freaks that are among the srk community.

Back when I discovered SRK(around 2003 and registered in 2006),I was like a kid in a candy store. :lol So much infos,videos and people talking about data frames,competitive gaming,etc.Whatever you wanted to know about a given Capcom game or techniques was available to all.

After registering,I made the mistake of wanting too much SRK and ventured into general discussion. :( This is where most freak hang out,barely posting in FG forums and just polluting the place with e-garbage.

There was this one guy called Serpent who started posting stuff that would get you banned on most message board period.It was probably in one of those dreadful girlfriend or women threads :lol He was one of a kind alright,posting the worst possible kind of stuff you would expect from a misogynist.He would quote Nietzsche and Schopenhauer over and over again and justified himself by saying that guys with enormous level of testoterone are programmed to hate women.He would put himself on the level of Einstein,da Vinci and other great geniuses. :lol

The crazy stuff I have seen from him: demanding the right to beat the shit out of women (a musulman also demanded the right to beat in wife in France and was quickly deported),he actually admitted having hit women and blah blah blah.On a site full of asians,he would keep shitting on them and keep fueling his own monstrous ego.Never got a warning or got banned for his comments on women or asian,which should give you a good idea of the community.It also seems SRK had a lot of loose canon which worked in the army and had things to say on asian (to use the polite word) or would be ready to bomb Japan again (most FG are made in Japan but eh...) or the white supremacist going on a gigantic post to explain the though process of black peoples.That's not talking about the endless shit talking or flame wars and SRK trying to talk about politics or subject well beyond their capacity. :lol :lol

I took a 2 and a half year break from srk.Since I frequently go there nowadays,I haven't checked out the GD forum once and won't go there ever again. :lol
 
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