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The Oily, Gentlemanly Super Spin Fighter 4 Reveal Thread of Kunoichis and Karatekas

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Corky

Nine out of ten orphans can't tell the difference.
CcrooK said:
I know me, AZ Greg and a few others here (I believe) play Vega. Just recently I've been trying to get down the timing with Izuna Drops. They go well against those who try to FA out of a FBA. If you can catch the timings with that, you should have a very solid air game.

Vega's l.lp is a good pressure poke like what you'd find with Balrog. But I don't find it very consistent to just keep poking. Mix it up good with some pressure combo's like l.lp, l.mk -> l.rolling claw attack. Just remember to dash back after a rolling claw attack. Gives you some space to work with, and gives some good ground to use his Leaping Kick (df.hk).

Vega's all about shenanigans from the get go. You could go with say a l.lp, l.lp into arial claw attack (forward) for a quick reversal. You just gotta watch how close you are to a wall.

Scarlet Terror you can also mix into l.lp as well. It's also a great anti air tool for those who like to jump in.

Find some of the basic stuff here: http://www.eventhubs.com/guides/2008/jul/07/vega-claw-street-fighter-4-character-guide/

Good place to start.

Edit: One thing I've found on wake up that's been probably 50% effective is going right into a KKK back flip, then followed with a scarlet terror. It works if your opponent isn't paying attention. They think free hit after the back flip but get their faces wrecked with a scarlet terror.


ooooh, that one I did not know :D , thanks, btw while we're at it, you mentioned getting down the timing for his izuna drop.

I personally cant get it out on purpose so to say, at all. Its like 50 / 50 wether or not I do the claw or the grab and I cant for the life of me figure out what I'm supposed to do.

Which direction should I hold while pressing punch? Does it matter if its lp,mp,hp? Any indications on when and where in the air I should do the input?

cheers
 

haunts

Bacon of Hope
zlatko said:
Okay that makes it less awful then my original impression was. It'll be interesting to see once the game hits how many Sagats use it versus Ultra 1.

Anyone have a link to a video of Sagat Ultra 1 damage scaling now in Super?

Personally I find U2 far more versatile than U1 with Sagat. It has a ton of applications and it will usually always hit form a number of different ranges considering there is no goofy Tiger Knee start up of the Ultra followed by an Uppercut. With U1 sometimes the whole Ultra dosent even connect cause the follow up uppercut just wiffs.

Kind of rambling but yeah U2 is the shit even if it doesn't do as much damage.
 

Skilotonn

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Threi said:
:lol @ pink hakan

Damnit man, you beat me to it... :lol

I was watching those very vids, but was so caught up that I forgot to post the link here too...

Juri's really dangerous man - I figured so from impressions, but seeing so much of her in the first 4 videos there, oh boy...

Dangerous, but still fair though, every match I saw, both characters made some damage, both made some mistakes, but that J.HP to air dive to Ultra II was naaaaaaaasty though!
 

Arde5643

Member
Sagat's still looking pretty solid there.
I think anyone who actually likes Sagat's playstyle will still continue using him rather than switching to either Dudley or Cody.

I don't see the use of ultra 2 at all in that match against Juri though - a lot of times the match would've ended if he had ultra 1 since he got a lot of those DP -> FADC juggle.



Makoto - damn, once she gets the bead on you, she can stun and kill you much faster than even Abel can imagine.
Still, she's going to have lots of problems defending against fireball characters - my god, Sagat was having a free time against her until she was able to get a knockdown in round 2.



Juri is going to be fuckton-scary. Hopefully it seems some of her specials have very bad recovery on block or whiff. Her fireballs don't do her any good against fireball characters though.
It seems to be only of use against slow-moving guys like T.Hawk and Gief.


Is Cammy's spin knuckle just a bit faster or am I reaching there?
 

haunts

Bacon of Hope
Arde5643 said:
Sagat's still looking pretty solid there.
I think anyone who actually likes Sagat's playstyle will still continue using him rather than switching to either Dudley or Cody.

That video makes Sagat look strong because there isnt a lot Makoto can do to stop the rushdown. On a basic level makoto is looking a lot like her 3s counterpart where she is either going buckwild or getting fucked up in the corner. :lol
 

Arde5643

Member
haunts said:
That video makes Sagat look strong because there isnt a lot Makoto can do to stop the rushdown. On a basic level makoto is looking a lot like her 3s counterpart where she is either going buckwild or getting fucked up in the corner. :lol
You can also see it in the Juri vid.

Her fireballs aren't actually doing shit against Sagat but the Sagat was missing links as well as not using ultra 1 which would've gained him a round at least.
 

haunts

Bacon of Hope
kitzkozan said:

Oh man that Cody video is sick, that dude used Bad Spray too. ^_________^

That back + MP is really good anti air and he really needs it. Your defense has to be top notch with Cody cause once he gets thrown or swept its bad news, he doesnt have any good reversals really.

Arde5643 said:
You can also see it in the Juri vid.

Her fireballs aren't actually doing shit against Sagat but the Sagat was missing links as well as not using ultra 1 which would've gained him a round at least.

Link? I dont see a Juri vs Sagat vid anywhere.
 

Threi

notag
looking at the mak vs sagat vid the speed seems exactly like vanilla. Probably it's the recording equipment that makes it seem faster?
 

Arde5643

Member
haunts said:
Oh man that Cody video is sick, that dude used Bad Spray too. ^_________^

That back + MP is really good anti air and he really needs it. Your defense has to be top notch with Cody cause once he gets thrown or swept its bad news, he doesnt have any good reversals really.
Looking at this vid, I don't think a lot of Ryu or Sagat players are moving to Cody - lack of quick pressure tools and OMGWTFBBQ get off me tool isn't something Ryu or Sagat players will like I think. :)



Link? I dont see a Juri vs Sagat vid anywhere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWs0okb7L2s&feature=channel
 

haunts

Bacon of Hope
Arde5643 said:
Looking at this vid, I don't think a lot of Ryu or Sagat players are moving to Cody - lack of quick pressure tools and OMGWTFBBQ get off me tool isn't something Ryu or Sagat players will like I think. :)

Who said they were? My understanding is a lot of Sagat & Ryu players are looking at Dudley.

Arde5643 said:

Week 1 Juri beats veteran Sagat -- news at 11
 

Threi

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haunts said:
Who said they were? My understanding is a lot of Sagat & Ryu players are looking at Dudley.

So much for picking chars based on your playstyle
 

cHaotix8

Member
Arde5643 said:
My bad - I keep hearing Ryu players switching to Cody due to his safe moves.

Why Duds though? Is he good at dealing with fireballs?

Ducking straight/upper, FA with a fast dash and rolling thunder. Dudley laughs at those that use projectiles. The only thing I think he'll be lacking in is low footsies as back swing blow can only do so much.
 

haunts

Bacon of Hope
Arde5643 said:
My bad - I keep hearing Ryu players switching to Cody due to his safe moves.

Why Duds though? Is he good at dealing with fireballs?

I think it's just the fact that people think Dudley is really strong and just want to dish out damage at the end of the day. Apparently his Ducking move is really good and builds meter, he can link into s.hk from a number of different moves and has a lot of life and stamina. Powerful Uppercut as well.

Personally Dudleys play style just doesn't interest me at all. I like Cody because he seems goofy and can throw the opponent off their rhythm and has some solid, reliable combos to boot. Also, my defense is ass so playing him will help me improve my tech throw game among other things so I think it's a good fit but also an interesting challenge.

Arde5643 said:
It seems it's also an even match between Makoto and Duds : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLhMByGvVuk&feature=channel

I think Rog might do even better against Makoto than Duds - better footsies.

To be fair it looks like that Dudley just started playing and doesnt know the character. He should play the match jus tlike 3s -- build some meter, wiff S.RH and buffer EX MGB. She'll run into the S. RH and eat a fat combo, and just punish jump ins with uppercuts. Use FP here and there to space her out a bit. It'll probably end up being a bad match up for Makoto but she has below average health and overall less options in SF4.
 

ultim8p00

Banned
Man we really need to see more videos of Ken. We barely have any footage of him and the only ones we have are from fucking flowcharters. Why the hell hasn't dragonboy gotten videos posted?
 

haunts

Bacon of Hope
Teknopathetic said:
Bad Spray ftw. A month is too long to wait. I need SSF4 deep inside...my PS3. Ha Ha.

At least there is one person in this thread who wont get on my case for using Cody. :lol
 

cHaotix8

Member
ultim8p00 said:
Man we really need to see more videos of Ken. We barely have any footage of him and the only ones we have are from fucking flowcharters. Why the hell hasn't dragonboy gotten videos posted?

If the rumors about his buffs are true then I can see him being a good contender in super. Faster forward, sweep and fireball could allow for some cool new links. Then there's the whole combo-able ultra thing.
 

SoulFist

Member
I can't wait to play Cody. His moves are just so awesome. Fits me to a tee. In vanilla I would always bounce around playing everyone, but I think in Super that Cody will be my main. Plus his alt is badass.
 

Darkman M

Member
Dartastic said:
HOLY SHIT

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Dachande

Member
These recent Makoto videos have given me hope again! I thought she might have been relegated a bit, but one of those guys goes all out monstering in a few of those and it makes me very happy.
 
EDIT : saw it mentioned in the other thread.

Provided the unblockable Ultra glitch is retained in Super, Ryu's U2 would be a choice to consider. Also, this means WTF@ Seth.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
Holy Order Sol said:
Some people just told me about a glitch that was just discovered by Japanese players. Apparently any character with a projectile gets an imblocable Ultra setup because the Ultra flash prevents the opponent from blocking during one frame. So with the proper (just frame) timing, on the opponent's wake-up (preferably after an untechable knock-down), a meaty projectile made unblockable by the Ultra flash guarantees the Ultra.

Provided the glitch is retained in Super, Ryu's U2 would be a choice to consider. Also, this means WTF@ Seth.

No vids right now, but if any of you are good at this timing/execution thing, feel free to try it out.
Yeah, kensk posted about it in the vanilla SF4 thread. There are vids.

http://www.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=230088
 
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