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The Oily, Gentlemanly Super Spin Fighter 4 Reveal Thread of Kunoichis and Karatekas
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FindMyFarms
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DR2K said:
Cammy's whole offensive game is almost completely defined by her dive kick. Her dive kick isn't only safe, but leaves her at advantage on block and allows her to repeat in order to do her 3 way mix up. ex Dive kick, they blocked it, dive kick against but they crouch tech w00t now i can hit confirm into spiral arrow. The most important part being that if she does a dive kick, she's at an offensive advantage and can keep attacking.
Juri's dive kick acts NOTHING like cammy's at all. If it connects, woohoo, you can do damage, but if it's blocked? She gets popped back and loses all her offensive momentum, as opposed to gaining more. She gets reset into a neutral position. From the looks of it, I feel some characters could probably reversal punish it on block.
That's why I asked if you think Rufus players will go to Juri as well, since every single good cammy and rufus player in unison agree that Cammy and Rufus are extremely similar to each other due to their dive kick offense.
Lastly, the wheel kick. One of the most important parts about cammy's offense is her spiral arrow. Obviously it's not safe, so don't do it unless you hit confirm into it!! But it's so easy to hit confirm into! Now here's the big difference, Juri wheel kick knocks them on to the other side of the screen and you're both far again. Cammy's spiral arrow knocks them down and leaves you RIGHT NEXT TO THEM setting you up for dive kick mixups and let's you maintain your offensive momentum as well.
Getting around fireballs - I've played with all the best cammy's in the nation, and this is NOT an issue for Cammy at all. First of all, her ultra shuts down all fireball zoning at mid screen since you can punish for fat damage. At footsie range where people like to use fireballs as a poke, you can easily focus it and dash forward and punish on reaction since she has such a good dash.
In all sincerity and seriousness, if you want, we can play on PSN sometime and I can show you how Cammy works.
DR2K said:
Yeah, it works like seth's, Akuma's, and gouken's dive kicks, not accessible until peak of jump.
DR2K
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http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=JuriHDRemix#g/u
This channel has a crap ton of SSFIV vids. Don't know if the Cody and Adon ones are old.
I'll take you up on your offer in SSFIV FMF.
This channel has a crap ton of SSFIV vids. Don't know if the Cody and Adon ones are old.
I'll take you up on your offer in SSFIV FMF.
TurtleSnatcher
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DR2K loses to everything anyways cuz Cammy is low tier..Solune said:
lolz?
What was funny was I overhead FMF's drops at our local gathering. Unsure if that was due to FR, or just online play.
Then again, I ended up leaving early due to laggy TV's and really not enjoying spending 40 seconds in crouch block. SF4 does that to you, especially if you don't have top notch execution to play the chars that can actually generate offense. (and laggy TV's make it worse)
Then again, I ended up leaving early due to laggy TV's and really not enjoying spending 40 seconds in crouch block. SF4 does that to you, especially if you don't have top notch execution to play the chars that can actually generate offense. (and laggy TV's make it worse)
Since hearing about it my attitude has been, "eff 2 ultras, it's a waste of dev time," but I am really seeing where it's going to make a big difference. Characters like Makoto/Abel choosing "up close" or "anti-fireball" ultras is going to be a game changer for many match ups.
I am still waiting to have my mind changed on counter ultras. They seem worse and worse every time I see something new about them.
I am still waiting to have my mind changed on counter ultras. They seem worse and worse every time I see something new about them.
SouthernDragon
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That's because supers were poorly designed with one being clearly superior.
bradido said:Like counter ultras or ultras that do temp damage?
It's much more than that. :lol
Super art in SF III had variable bars,which mean some of them could give you 3 stocked super (or stock one super and use a lot of ex moves) or one super which fill up super fast like genei-jin.Ryu's shin shoryu or denjin had a long bar which didn't fill up that quickly (use the super or the ex moves).That same super bar was used for ex moves so the system was badly designed at it's core.
Ultra in IV operate under the same system,but of course some of them end up being more useful.Counter can be really good,you just need to look at Hakan.
Fei and Cammy counters just aren't good enough compared to Hakan's ultra and a patch to improve them might be in order.The same goes for Gen's ultra 2,since it seems to me that opponents regain their health too quickly.I would not say the system of EX/super trade is badly designed. However, I agree the number of stock decisions were baffling and made the choices even worse (Chun-li has 2 SA2 but Ibuki gets ONE Yami-shigiri?!) Sure, the systems are quite different but I do think there are going to be a number of situations in 4 where 1 ultra is clearly better than the other. In 3rd strike that was the majority of the time. Let's hope that's not the case in SSF4.
I would not count Hakan's ultra as a counter since it hits.
sixteen-bit
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Apparently Triforce has a preview copy of SSFIV and is working with Seb of FADC to get a stream of casual matches up. This is our chance to dudes like Sanford playing!
bradido said:
It can hit if you touch him,but it's implementation is superior.
Fei long and Cammy counter will be activated if you attack them,while Hakan is activated if you just happen to touch his toes with or without doing an attack.Hakan's counter is designed as AA,but it's got more potential because of how it's been implemented.
The least they should do is allow armor breaking moves to activate the counter ultra or cross up.
"God's Beard!"
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kitzkozan said:
This is the point in your argument that I realized how insane you are. How far did you think this sentence through? It's ok, I'll wait for you to fix it.
bradido said:
If nothing else, having two ultras to pick from means your character of choice has double the chance of having at least one that's worthwhile. Considering how much having a solid ultra plays into the overall character viability for vanilla, it might even the playing field a bit.
I liked the 3S system of ex/super trade off, partially because if your character's supers were ALL trash, you had something to do with your bar. When I get ultra in vanilla 4, I'm usually thinking, 'I wonder what it's like to use a character where that flame-bar thing matters... Anything would be OK really, even a nice taunt or something.
Aruarian Reflection
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cHaotix8 said:
Well, good news. LA Riots 3 won't be streamed so now you can study!
QisTopTier
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T.Hawk for top tier :lol :lol
No seriously where are all the hawk vids, I'm sick of seeing juri
No seriously where are all the hawk vids, I'm sick of seeing juri
~Devil Trigger~
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Makoto vs Adon
Mak vs Ad #2
Cody vs Adon
Cody vs Hakan
Cody vs Hakan 2
THawk vs Juri
Mak vs Ad #2
Cody vs Adon
Cody vs Hakan
Cody vs Hakan 2
QisTopTier said:
THawk vs Juri
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In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
Since it seems to work, I think I'll give it a try too...
Where are all the DeeJay videos?! I love finiding them on my own (and have a potential one in mind), but I'd still like to see 1 solid ultra setup that isn't off charged Focus Attack...
And I still find it odd that they implimented wall bounce in thie game, to only give it to 2 characters... -_-;
Where are all the DeeJay videos?! I love finiding them on my own (and have a potential one in mind), but I'd still like to see 1 solid ultra setup that isn't off charged Focus Attack...
And I still find it odd that they implimented wall bounce in thie game, to only give it to 2 characters... -_-;
Rice-Eater
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Well I did it ladies and gentleman. I bought a black SSF4 TE stick for PS3. I have plenty of experience with arcade sticks like most, but I've always been horrible on one. I want to change that and getting one of the best sticks out there and spending this kind of money is what I hope will motivate me to do it. I'm pretty scared though that this will result in me just having a $120+ piece of junk laying around that I can't use so arcade stick GAF, I'm really going to need your help. I'm going to get beat down a lot, I just hope eventually it'll all start making sense to me.
DarkoMaledictus
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Rice-Eater said:
Some people say it took them 3 weeks to learn to use a stick properly. Myself probably took me more like 3 months and I'm still learning stuff. Just don't get discouraged... you will suck ass for a while, but you'll get there
! Btw try not to rely on the charge character crotch... thats what made me take so long to really learn !Edit : Strangely one of the most difficult things was double dashing... was just not used to do it that way. Also I did switch to the octogonal gate as I'm used to use the sides to to do motions... also special cancel into super into ultra is just so much easier doing circles away on that gate ;p!
hitsugi
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Rice-Eater said:
just take a game you're already very comfortable with and play the shit out of it non-stop. repetition is key here, so training mode and doing the same combos over and over will help you gain familiarity with it.*
*this advice is just how I went from american to japanese style joysticks / buttons (9 years ago) but I imagine it's pretty universal.
DarkoMaledictus said:Some people say it took them 3 weeks to learn to use a stick properly. Myself probably took me more like 3 months and I'm still learning stuff. Just don't get discouraged... you will suck ass for a while, but you'll get there
Ditto. Some people just too quickly close the door on experimentation and that seems to be the reason for the fail on their part with sticks. Keep trying different ways to hold the stick and different hand positions to hit buttons. There's several tutorials and guides over on Shoryuken.com that might ease the pain of starting fresh on a stick.
I got my first stick about a month ago or so, and a SF4 TE Round 2 stick for my 360 about 2 weeks back I think. Practice practice practice is what it all boils down to. There are some characters I'm seriously 100X better with using a stick and others that I'm just all around crap with compared to my earlier days on a pad.(My Akuma game is much better as well as Zangief, but my Ryu and Abel lack execution)
I honestly expect myself not to get good with my stick until months from now really. I don't play day in and day out, and until SSF4 comes out I am not practicing my new SF4 TE stick since my copy of Vanilla SF4 is on my PS3 and I have my Hori stick for that.
Once SSF4 comes out I doubt that thing will gather dust...they are just too sexy to be left to the way side with a new fighter to tackle.
zlatko said:
I remember the hub bub of "OMG, WALLBOUCE!" When we first saw Juri do it, but since then, I've only seen it replicated with Goken's Denjin.
I keep personally thinking it'd be the perfect way to "fix" that "O So Unfair" crumple that DeeJay's EX Double Rolling Sobat had removed... Could combo into Ultra 2 at specific distance, tag with EX Max Jacknife or Max Out at certain distances, or maybe lead into some jab resets. Wouldn't matter too much when done too far away from the corner, and he'd have to lose charge to dash over (though I guess he could slide part way.)
When one sees a character have so much flow like Dudley, it makes ya wish that same "flow of attack" designer worked on a few of the others too... :lol
Rice-Eater said:
Welcome to the club! First you've got to find a grip that suits you. You can use this video as a starting point, but don't be afraid to use whatever works. Next comes the best part - execution drills! have fun throwing 100 fireballs and missing 60 of them!
SAB CA said:
I'm not a pro player by any means. I'm pretty much a G3 scrub for life I bet, but I really hate the unbalance most charge characters got in this game. Their speed just isn't up to snuff to become as viable as shoto characters. I bet just changing someone like Chun Li's Ultra/Supers back to quarter circle motions would move her up a few notches in viability. Heck Guile and Vega with quarter circle or even half circle motion ultras would be substantially better to compete against Dudleys.
I get they were going for a variety of play styles and such, but for me as a player I avoid charge characters like the plague, because it just doesn't click with me to have an anchor at my feet while the other guy is The Road Runner.
(Again this is fairly casual talk from a fighting gaming scrub, so ignore me if you are a monster doing charge ultras and such)SouthernDragon
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Rice-Eater said:
While this is a bit of a controversial topic, I would suggest getting an octo-gate. It's really friendly for beginners because it has audial and tactile ways of letting you know what motions you are doing.
DarkoMaledictus
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Something I noticed recently about sticks is when doing air moves make sure you leave the stick centered for a millisecond and then do the move. Kept missing all my air fireballs and air tatsus when I tried to direction jump and then do the move without centering the stick first. Anyway for me it works, give a few techiques a try!
DarkoMaledictus
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FlightOfHeaven said:
I second that, only place I would see the octo being a problem is with some charge characters ultra setups like Boxer, but otherwise Its really a lot easier with an octo! Kept misisng 90% of everything with the other one...
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