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The Order 1886 Review Thread

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BreezyLimbo

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I think Jeff Gerstmann said it best in the quick look-
Jeff:"Video games aren't movies. Chasing after movies is a really weak goal... that games can be so much more. Games are so much more."
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And IMO it's true. Look at Last of Us, Gears of War, Grand Theft Auto. I think all of those games are cinematic-They definitely have moments that feel like you're watching a movie. But no gameplay is sacrificed for those moments.

I get what the Order was going for but....they just fell short of having that perfect gameplay/cinematic style.
 
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Chubzdoomer

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I, for one, just want to say that it's so refreshing to see this game get the mediocre scores it deserves.

It's a great day for us gamers who want, well, games--not short, interactive movies with small bits of mediocre gameplay strewn throughout.
 
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Kacho

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Bricky said:
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oh shit lmao
 
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Doc Holliday

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Smash88 said:
Did people really expect a "cinematic" game that is only 5-6 (half being cutscenes) hours long to do well?

Especially when (MAJOR SPOILERS)
The last boss is the same as the first encounter and it ends with a QTE.

A pretty game does not compensate for poor gameplay and story, and developers thinking they can make games that are "movie-esque" is also a big fallacy. You can never bring a true cinematic experience in video games, games are more than just storytelling, it's interactive and as a result relies on various mechanics that movies do not bring to the table.

I'm also baffled how the devs could play the game and think this would be good, or at the very least a 8/10 (which I assume devs strive for that or higher) when it comes to reviews.

The whole champagne scene is the cherry on top, yes I'm sure you are glad you are done, but if I played this game and saw it for what it is, I don't think I would be celebrating, I'd be a nervous wreck personally.

Also after 5 years, this is what they come out with? All this money sunk into what amounted to a bad game; there is some serious mismanagement going on at the top if this is what the final product came out to be.
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worked for mgs4 ;)
 
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DNAbro

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vesvci said:
You've just proven his point. Are making up your mind based on what other people "say"?

I'm going in for this game basically because I like the setting, I like the visual, it's different than other games already out, and I want to support a new IP. These reasons alone make it MY decision, not someone else's. It's not like I'm throwing away $60, I'm still playing a very solid game.

Also, nowadays you have to be careful what you read on forums and such, astro-turfing is very real. There's millions of dollars at play here, video games are not for kids anymore.
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yes I am making my decisions based on other's impressions, it's a very common thing to do. I would have gotten this game if it reviewed well, the setting didn't really interest me and the game looked bland as hell, I would have LOVED for me to be wrong and for it to be a fantastic game.
 
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Seanspeed

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Original Man said:
In this thread: People who let others determine what game is good or bad before playing it themselves.
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More like: People who wait to hear impressions about a game before spending $60 of their hard earned money on it.

If a game gets lots of bad impressions, *chances are*, the game probably isn't gonna suddenly be totally awesome for me. You can feel free to roll the dice still, but I'm not really a risk taker when it comes to my cash.
 
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Chubzdoomer said:
I, for one, just want to say that it's so refreshing to see this game get the mediocre scores it deserves.

It's a great day for us gamers who want, well, games--not short, interactive movies with small bits of mediocre gameplay strewn throughout.
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Ugh you goddam internet warriors. Your games arent being attacked its just another genre. Quit with the ignorance... Yikes.

So embarassing.
 
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Steel

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Original Man said:
In this thread: People who let others determine what game is good or bad before playing it themselves.
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I'm sure you pick up every game that you hear bad things about to judge its quality for yourself. Because that's the open minded(or walleted?) thing to do right?
 
Fbh

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Azdoune said:
I'm playing for 5 hours, and I don't understand the review, this game is gorgeous, the scenario is for now good, sounds are very good. Why?!
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Most reviews seem to agree that the presentation in terms of both graphics and audio are amazing.

It's almost everything else that most of them didn't like
 
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Serick

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Cranberrys said:
Nobody asks people to buy every game. But every gamer has a special interest in some games for whatever reasons. If a game interests me for some reason (in the case of The Order the art and iconography) I don't care about other people's opinion. I buy the game, I play the game and I decide afterwards if it was a good move on my part.

I'm 40, I game since I was a teenager, I don't need the opinion of a 25 years old game journo who know less than me, to tell me what games are good or not. I have a brain, I have personal tastes, I have a huge personal gaming experience. I can decide for myself, I have all the tools to decide for myself. And if I'm wrong (and it happens from time to time) then so be it. I don't pretend I'm Superman but I rather be wrong on my terms than blindly follow the advice of a game journos or some random gamers on the internet.
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Yeah I would have missed out on some of my favorite games if I listened to reviews.
 
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Constantine81

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Pezus said:
With the examples already in this thread, why do you still doubt it?

The majority of Telltale games is not interactive and yet many people really like them, me included. Games have the advantage over movies in that the form they take isn't nearly as limited.

Ever seen a 6 hour+ interactive brand new movie go for $25? Thought not...
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The difference in your example is that Telltale games do offer you a choice of how you want to react. The Order rails you into doing exactly what it wants you to do and ONLY that, nothing else. From what I hear it can only mildly be called interactive and that's being generous.
 
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Gestault

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Shining Sunshine said:
Meanwhile the same reviewers are happy with CoD's 4 hours campaign and tired multiplayer just because it has Kevin Spacey.

This is another reason why no one should listen to journalists.
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It honestly sounds like you don't understand why one game could be more or less enjoyable than the other. The criticisms aren't simply "the game is X hours long," and if you're implying that Call of Duty AW was a poor game, then it seems like your taste is at odds with many, many people out there. It's nothing to do with journalism.
 
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Chubzdoomer

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Darknessbear said:
Ugh you goddam internet warriors. Your games arent being attacked its just another genre. Quit with the ignorance... Yikes.

So embarassing.
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It isn't another genre, though. It's a third-person shooter. A very short, linear, story-driven, QTE-filled third-person shooter.

The fewer "games" like this that exist, the better as far as I'm concerned. As games, they have little, if any value.
 
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vesvci

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DNAbro said:
yes I am making my decisions based on other's impressions, it's a very common thing to do. I would have gotten this game if it reviewed well, the setting didn't really interest me and the game looked bland as hell, I would have LOVED for me to be wrong and for it to be a fantastic game.
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Let me ask you this....is the game out yet? If the game is not out yet, just how reliable are these "impressions"?

Gaming sites shouldn't really count, plenty of conflict of interests with them . I do see your point for the most part though.
 
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Always-honest said:
Is there a big difference between american and european reviews? Or are they all more or less the same?
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In my experience, UK journalists in particular tend to be more critical/scathing and use more of the point scale.

I think a good dose of cynicism is infused in every British-born human being, so it makes sense.
 
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BotoxAgent

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All these reviews pretty much confirming my worries. I feel like this will be like the time I got super duper hyped up about the Bouncer for PS2 :(
 
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Supermanisdead

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OsirisBlack said:
the Order 1446
Open World
Co op
Multiplayer
Fetch Quest
Can switch to first person shooter on the fly
Micro Transactions
Most content cut for day 1 DLC incentives
Leveling and Crafting system
Full Screen
Day 1 10GB patch
Still wont work

Metacritic score 88
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It'd be more interesting that 1886 for sure.
 
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DoubleTake

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OsirisBlack said:
the Order 1446
Open World
Co op
Multiplayer
Fetch Quest
Can switch to first person shooter on the fly
Micro Transactions
Most content cut for day 1 DLC incentives
Leveling and Crafting system
Full Screen
Day 1 10GB patch
Still wont work

Metacritic score 88
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God I hope not, I just want them to refine what they have. Tone down the visuals and cutscene interruptions if necessary but dont completely abandon your vision. They can do so much more with this IP.
 
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SnowFlakeCake

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Timeaisis said:
Unfortunately, the director did indeed say that. And I completely agree with you about ND. They know they are a game company, they have a pedigree of making very fun games, and they've gained an enormous amount of talent balancing story presentation and gameplay elements, enough that they seemelessly blend together in most games. In ND games, playing the game is experiencing the story in a lot of cases. They always put the gameplay and the story they are telling on an equal playing field, because to them, it's the same thing.

It seems to me like The Order forgot that their customers are going to want to enjoy playing The Order as much as they are going to want to experience it. And it seems like in a lot of reviews, the critic praises the story but calls the gameplay utterly boring, a huge problem in something that is, at the end of the day, a videogame.
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That's just incredible, a game developer does not actually want to make a game. This really is a developer there when people say why didn't they just make a movie, I would also have to ask the same question. I have to go back to ND, they get a lot of hate but as someone that doesn't give a fuck about story in videogames, TLOU has brilliant and varied gameplay.

Someone at RAD and Sony thought this would actually be a good idea, unfortunately I really don't think they will get another opportunity to fix this mess and could be a more of a case of getting the CVs ready.

There been some awful awful posts in this thread. The one guy saying Sony been striking out went a tad too far but hes got a point, thus far on the PS4 theres not a single OMG original game I can think of from Sony. The sole reason of getting a PS4 was the first party games, inFamous was good but really holding out hope Santa Monica, ND and PD deliver (I know they will).
 
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A_Gorilla

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At last, Sony has its Ryse...

Just got an email that my Premium Edition shipped. Statue s kickass so I'm probably gonna keep it...
 
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Phrozenflame500

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Chubzdoomer said:
It isn't another genre, though. It's a third-person shooter. A very short, linear, story-driven, QTE-filled third-person shooter.
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This brings up an interesting point: if the game dropped the TPS all-together and focused on a more branching story a la TellTale would it have gotten a better reception?
 
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