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The PS5 Pro Is Not Pro Enough
- Thread starter FalconPunch
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it does do ai upsacling for all games i belive in enxt update 2.0
LazyParrot
Member
More powerful hardware just means devs will cut even more corners. It won't reduce the number of games that look and run worse than they should.
Sethbacca
Member
You're not wrong, but I can't think of a single game I'd pay modern PC (and especially GPU) prices for personally. My primary point was just that people will upgrade from something like a 60 or 70 series to a 70 or 80 series even though most of the improvements are largely just extra fps with no substantial visual upgrades. At the end of the day having options isn't a bad thing.
Codes 208
Member
I sorta concur. I did like playing Demon Souls with the better visuals but still running 60fps
Otherwise it was mostly "wow, fortnite has slightly better ray-tracing. Amazing."
The One X was xbox one's pro model and was competing with the ps4 pro and (at the time) medium range gpu's.
On that subject though: the xbox one x was the last console xbox made that I genuinely liked. Playing rdr2 at 4k was a treat
Otherwise it was mostly "wow, fortnite has slightly better ray-tracing. Amazing."
I believe you mean Series X.
The One X was xbox one's pro model and was competing with the ps4 pro and (at the time) medium range gpu's.
On that subject though: the xbox one x was the last console xbox made that I genuinely liked. Playing rdr2 at 4k was a treat
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Fortress of Regrets
Member
Sure, it is not really impressive at all. Felt kinda outdated the moment they shipped it.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Every time this topic comes up, I reiterate the same thing: The PS5 Pro is the worst system I've ever bought. Overpriced, shit hardware where the only significant "improvement" is software-based gimmickry. An absolute embarrassment.
Charge me more if you have to, but give me actual goddamn better hardware.
Charge me more if you have to, but give me actual goddamn better hardware.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
PSSR is the fuckin' issue.
asdasdasdbb
Member
Doctor Hades
Member
In retrospect, I think the PS5 Pro has been disappointing for two main reasons. Disappointing does not mean bad though.
One is the price, which considering the spec bump was a bit steep, plus we didn't even get the stand or disc drive included which inflated the already high asking price even more. The PS4 Pro was much more sensibly priced at the original PS4 launch price even though it, like the PS5 Pro, was really just a GPU upgrade (along with a small CPU overclock).
The second reason is perhaps the one that underwhelmed me the most and that is PSSR which has been quite frankly a huge letdown and is riddled with flaws and nowhere close to even DLSS 2 in terms of image stability. I was hoping for better after years of AMD's lousy FSR on consoles, but the reality was that it really wasn't fit for release. Too many games have been released with PSSR that have issues - speckling and shimmering - and a good number of those have been fully fixed. It is telling how mediocre PSSR is that rather than fix it developers instead offered an option to turn it off instead. If PSSR was good in the first place, then there would be no need to turn it off. There is hope in the future that this will be fixed via a system wide PSSR update but I will not be holding my breath that it will magically fix all PSSR's issues. We'll see I guess.
Also, having games that look and/or run worse than on the base system is another negative against the Pro. That should never happen with ANY game in my opinion.
If I had to rate the PS5 Pro then I'd give a 6.75 out of 10. Better than PS5 in many ways - more base storage, a nicer design, a better GPU with more capable RT handling - it would be great if it was priced the same as the base system at launch (with the base system being cheaper) but let down by its price, the lacklustre PSSR and its meagre spec bump (no overclocked or enhanced CPU, no additional RAM, etc).
One is the price, which considering the spec bump was a bit steep, plus we didn't even get the stand or disc drive included which inflated the already high asking price even more. The PS4 Pro was much more sensibly priced at the original PS4 launch price even though it, like the PS5 Pro, was really just a GPU upgrade (along with a small CPU overclock).
The second reason is perhaps the one that underwhelmed me the most and that is PSSR which has been quite frankly a huge letdown and is riddled with flaws and nowhere close to even DLSS 2 in terms of image stability. I was hoping for better after years of AMD's lousy FSR on consoles, but the reality was that it really wasn't fit for release. Too many games have been released with PSSR that have issues - speckling and shimmering - and a good number of those have been fully fixed. It is telling how mediocre PSSR is that rather than fix it developers instead offered an option to turn it off instead. If PSSR was good in the first place, then there would be no need to turn it off. There is hope in the future that this will be fixed via a system wide PSSR update but I will not be holding my breath that it will magically fix all PSSR's issues. We'll see I guess.
Also, having games that look and/or run worse than on the base system is another negative against the Pro. That should never happen with ANY game in my opinion.
If I had to rate the PS5 Pro then I'd give a 6.75 out of 10. Better than PS5 in many ways - more base storage, a nicer design, a better GPU with more capable RT handling - it would be great if it was priced the same as the base system at launch (with the base system being cheaper) but let down by its price, the lacklustre PSSR and its meagre spec bump (no overclocked or enhanced CPU, no additional RAM, etc).
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Xtib81
Member
Yup. I've been saying this since day one. This shit is underpowered and overpriced. PSSR is broken in a lot of games and you rarely get fidelity + performance. Add to that the fact that most developers don't give a fuck and you're left wondering why you spent 800€ for that.
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Haint
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There were like a dozen different 5060 systems readily available in the $700's over the Holidays (some still are), I know cause I was tasked with finding the cheapest decent gaming PCs for my nephews friends and cousins.
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The 5060 is maybe 10% slower than the Pro's GPU, but has the vastly superior image quality of DLSS 4.5 (usable at lower resolutions), Reflex, and Framegen. Many recent games effectively aren't even supporting Pro, or do so extremely halfassed to meaningless levels.
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sncvsrtoip
Member
Easy worst sony console, maybe things change a little if pssr 2.0 will be major improvement.
AeonGaidenRaiden
Member
There's literally articles written about this, it's not a secret. Just maybe your cope that its worth having a digital $700 pointless upgrade:
Silent Hill 2, Jedi Survivor, Alen Wake 2, Dragons Dogma 2, Star Wars Outlaws...just to name a few.
Humdinger
Member
Fwiw, most people who actually bought the Pro are satisfied with it.
Granted, there's a selection effect going on there. The small subset of people who are willing to buy the Pro are probably, as a group, more likely to be satisfied with their purchase. They probably have more disposable income than others, so $800 doesn't weigh as heavily for them. They are probably people who prioritize performance, so the modest upgrade PS5 Pro offers is more important to them than others. They were probably better informed about the modest upgrade it would deliver, and so they would be less prone to disappointment. They might even subconsciously rationalize that they made a good decision, despite the actual quality of the product.
But in any event, most of the people who buy the thing (as opposed to many who are opining here) do say they are satisfied with it.
(I'm in the "somewhat satisfied" camp myself.)
Granted, there's a selection effect going on there. The small subset of people who are willing to buy the Pro are probably, as a group, more likely to be satisfied with their purchase. They probably have more disposable income than others, so $800 doesn't weigh as heavily for them. They are probably people who prioritize performance, so the modest upgrade PS5 Pro offers is more important to them than others. They were probably better informed about the modest upgrade it would deliver, and so they would be less prone to disappointment. They might even subconsciously rationalize that they made a good decision, despite the actual quality of the product.
But in any event, most of the people who buy the thing (as opposed to many who are opining here) do say they are satisfied with it.
(I'm in the "somewhat satisfied" camp myself.)
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S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Depends on the game.
phant0m
Member
100%. I'm VERY pleased with mine
F FalconPunch the far right column in your table tells a great story of how good the PS5 Pro is. 60% uplift in GPU compute? 2-4x RT performance? 2.5x the storage??
The PS5 Pro is a HELL of a smoking deal, esp for the 2 TB SSD. Pricing wise, it's not the same world anymore when Sony dropped the PS4 Pro 5 years later for the same price.
Consider that Valve is gearing up to launch the Steam Machine at $999 with 1/4 of the storage and a significantly worse GPU
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Good
VeganElduderino
Member
uh oh!!!!
you are attacking the cult
you are attacking the cult
phant0m
Member
all of those also have half the storage. also, I thought we hated framegen?There were like a dozen different 5060 systems readily available in the $700's over the Holidays (some still are), I know cause I was tasked with finding the cheapest decent gaming PCs for my nephews friends and cousins.
Acer Nitro 60 Gaming Desktop Intel i5-14400F GeF 5060 16GB 1TB SSD Refurbished $753.29 - 2026-02-05
Acer Nitro 60 Gaming Desktop Intel i5-14400F GeF 5060 16GB 1TB SSD Refurbished https://www.ebay.com/itm/267560091418slickdeals.net
HP OMEN 16L Gaming Desktop: Ryzen 7 8700G, RTX 5060, 16GB DDR5, 1TB SSD $779.99 - 2025-12-03
Lower than the recent popular FP deal. Available at:HP [hp.com] HP via Newegg [newegg.com] SPECS:AMD Ryzen 7 8700G 8-core, 16-thread Processor (up to 5.1GHz boost) NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5060 Graphics
iBUYPOWER Element SE Gaming Desktop - i5 14400F / RTX 5060 / 16GB DDR5 / 1TB SSD -- Best Buy - $780 - 2025-11-04
Best Buy [bestbuy.com] has the iBUYPOWER Element SE Gaming Desktop - i5 14400F / RTX 5060 / 16GB DDR5 / 1TB SSD on sale for $780. Product Details:Processor - Intel Core i5 14th Generation Total Stor
Yeyian Gaming Desktop: i5-14400F, RTX 5060, 16GB DDR5, 1TB SSD $759.99 - 2025-12-05
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The 5060 is maybe 10% slower than the Pro's GPU, but has the vastly superior image quality of DLSS 4.5 (usable at lower resolutions), Reflex, and Framegen. Many recent games effectively aren't even supporting Pro, or extremely halfassed.
pssr 2.0 sjould do all games automaticly and old games prior gens supposbly
phant0m
Member
we live in a very different economy now than 2016 when they launched the PS4 Pro. it's not the fault of the Pro, or Sony -- we used to get price drops on base console after 2-3 years but this go around they were RAISED in some territories. everything is just massively more expensive, and getting worse because of AI
Agree with you on performance being worse than base on some games - but again, not the fault of the hardware package.
Overall, for $699 I don't think there's a better price to performance option on on the market right now
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asdasdasdbb
Member
Overall, for $699 I don't think there's a better priceerformance option on on the market right now
It's $749 now.
Redeeming Casualty
Member
I bought a PS4 slim back in 2018. Never played the bro model, but that slim PS4 was awesome and still awesome. I personal think its my favorite playstation console. When the PS5 rolled around in 2020 I had really no desire to get it. It wasn't until summer of last year that I felt like I could buy a PS5. Walk into the store to buy one but saw the pro and didn't realize they released one. The big selling point to was the improvements over the console I never owned but that it had a 2 TB hard drive! That right there is the major reason I bought. It sucked buying a disc drive, but my PS5 Pro has been wonderful. I actually love the improvements it does for ps4 games. 4k gaming is sick as shit. It lets me use my dualshock 4 controllers. Its also a upgrade to a 4K blu ray player. And I can play current gen stuff I've been curious to play. Its a good console. I really enjoy my pro model.
Now I image we could look back and forth on the tech specs and say this was better here and there. But all that really doesn't matter when I use it pretty regularly to play games. Favorite games so far have been Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart, Silent Hill 2, Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth, Helldivers 2, Gran Turismo 7, Returnal, Demon Souls, and The Last Of Us Part 2. Which all have pro modes from what I understand. Either PS5 Pro is awesome on my end.
Now I image we could look back and forth on the tech specs and say this was better here and there. But all that really doesn't matter when I use it pretty regularly to play games. Favorite games so far have been Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart, Silent Hill 2, Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth, Helldivers 2, Gran Turismo 7, Returnal, Demon Souls, and The Last Of Us Part 2. Which all have pro modes from what I understand. Either PS5 Pro is awesome on my end.
DaleinCalgary
Getting the shaft
It's a upgrade but not a huge one. Get used to it with diminishing returns.
I like it
I like it
phant0m
Member
ah, my bad. still the best at that price point and reinforces my point about the economy - completely different world that's now making early adoption the better investment?
bizarro for sure but is what it is
phant0m
Member
bro you got 2.4x the storage and 60% more GPU compute. you got better hardware chief, it's AMD's shitty upscaling that's letting you down
PropellerEar
Member
Happy with mine.
Topher
Identifies as young
Is it PlayStation's week to be the cult? I thought it was Nintendo's. Last week was Xbox.
I can't keep up.
Topher
Identifies as young
Why were Xbox One X and PS4 Pro based on the same Jaguar cpus as the base models?
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Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
The CPU still sucks.
Like, what I want next time is: at launch, give me the PlayStation 6 Professional for $2000 and load it up with actual high end parts. However ridiculous the pricing sounds, people will buy it. Particularly those who like the console experience and consistent performance but are tired of being saddled with only bad options as far as the actual hardware.
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FalconPunch
Member
The big draw of the pro has always been the significantly improved GPU and this is the first pro console that has failed to deliver that at this point in time. Ideally, we'd have expected a 2-3x boost in compute along with the rt features and a bigger boost to bandwidth. So, 72 cus using a butterfly design similar to the PS4 Pro.
This would allow the ps5 pro to boost the UE5 games from like 900p up to 1440p or even higher before utilizing PSSR. Unfortunately, the pro failed badly in this regard. 60% more compute leading to a at best case 45% boost in performances. Realistically it's between a 35-40% boost?
It means something went really wrong in the design and there's a bottleneck somewhere. If it was a true 60% boost in compute led to a 60% boost in performance and or resolution, people would see the pro more favorably. Unfortunately, it doesn't.
BiohazardX95
Member
Not having to hear a jet engine puts the ps5 pro in a huge advantage over ps4 pro.
VeganElduderino
Member
I used to be part of the Ps cult, I got out of it!
phant0m
Member
I'm actually somewhat excited about whatever the $1200 Xbox might be
I just never want to see 30fps again
its coming just wait.
I am.
Pallas
Gold Member
That could be said for anybody in the gaming industry and why they do the things that they do. We often criticize them, question why they do this or that without understanding or even knowing the entire picture. Gaf is full of armchair developers, CEO's, artists, etc.
PS5Pro isn't and won't be for everyone, it's niche. Whether it's worth it is not something that can be based on facts. If it's not for you, that's fine. If it is, congratulations but die hard fanboys will swear it's the greatest thing ever and if you don't like it, you must be hating it with an agenda.
Personally I think the PS5 Pro is fine, especially if the rumors that Sony is delaying the PS6 are true.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I disagree. Please don't make this thread again. We don't need nor care for a reminder of what some perception is. I'll be hella glad to have mine when GTA6 comes out. Then we will see how threads like this matter.
Haint
Member
No, DLSS frame gen works great with Reflex if you can hit at least 45-50fps native. Input lag even with multi-frame gen would still generally be lower than consoles and you'd have motion/video fluidity of like 200+fps. The only real "gotcha" with a budget 5060 PC is the few unoptimized games that struggle on 8GB of VRAM without sensible settings to address it, but given the DRAM apocalypse is going to keep the lion's share of gamers on 8GB for much longer than expected (and very likely delay "next-gen" consoles for multiple years), I suspect memory optimization to become MUCH more of a priority for developers
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FalconPunch
Member
If GTA 6 is the only game you play, sure I guess? The issue is that many of us play a variety of games and the success of the device won't hinge on the performance of just one game.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
This is on Cerny and Sony. FSR4 trashes PSSR.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
FRS4 is on Cerny and Sony as well. Which is why PSSR2.0 is supposed to be pretty synonymous with it.
Clanker version:
Yes, Sony helped co-develop AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution 4 (FSR 4) as part of a joint project, marking a major collaboration in AI-driven upscaling technology.
Key details of this partnership include:
- Project Amethyst: AMD and Sony collaborated under "Project Amethyst" to create the AI software and hardware, with the neural networks and training methods in FSR 4 stemming from this joint effort.
- Performance Focus: The partnership aimed to improve gaming visuals for both PC and console, with Sony providing input on quality assurance and performance, particularly for PlayStation 5 Pro and future, unspecified consoles.
- PSSR Evolution: The research from this partnership is being used to fuel the next evolution of Sony's own upscaling tech, PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution (PSSR), which will be implemented on the PS5 Pro.
- Launch Timing: FSR 4, bearing the results of this collaboration, is expected to be implemented in 2026, with the tech already showing significant improvements in early testing.
TechPowerUp +5
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LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I got the disc drive over the holidays, intend to do a little more physical buys.