Bonfires Down
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imo it's time to get rid of traditional generations. PS5 Pro is ok but it's still going to die at the same time the PS5 does.
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The PS5 Pro Is Not Pro Enough
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Dude you live in kinda of parallel universe because I don't know wtf of article you read but none of the games you named are inferior on ps5 pro far the contrary
like the fuck. There isn't any game inferior on ps5 pro at the worst they have bad PSSR implementation or mild upgrade but never heard a single one worst on ps5 pro. Fine if you find the specs or the price not worthy but you are quite misinformed and you spread a lot of nonsense.
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Paasei
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They fooled me before with the PS4 Pro. I bought one, wasn't worth it in the end, so I decided to not get this one. Mind you I play most games on a PC, so I don't really miss much if anything regardless.
The nail in the coffin for me was the disc drive not being a standard issue. The PS5 games I do have are all on disc. I'm not paying a €120 extra for a disc drive. That might not be it's current price anymore, but it was during the first few months.
The nail in the coffin for me was the disc drive not being a standard issue. The PS5 games I do have are all on disc. I'm not paying a €120 extra for a disc drive. That might not be it's current price anymore, but it was during the first few months.
Unfortunatecookie
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Huh. I could've sworn GT7 runs at native 4K60 with rowdy ray turned on. Maybe it's PSSR?
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MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
Profound.
RafterXL
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This is wishful thinking. It's never going to be anything more than what it already is.
The Xbox One X was the best Pro console ever, the PS5 Pro will never match it. You'd think Sony would have learned from rushing out the PS4 Pro that they needed to do better, but they didn't.
Ps5 pro is far better than ps4 pro in terms of enhancements, people has really a short memory, because outside CBR and higher resolution rarely on ps4 pro better graphic setting were common and considered ps4 pro were 2,7x more powerful of the base what ps5 pro offer, it's quite more impressive. But sure the price on ps4 pro give to it a best value.
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MazingerDUDE
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You're wrong. Just go check how DLSS has evolved from subpar upscaler to a literal black magic.
We'll get something similar on PS5 PRO very soon called PSSR 2.0 which will basically change everything.
The gap between PS5 vs PS5 PRO will far exceed what was Xbox One vs Xbox One X in the past.
PS4 was perfectly fine on its time because most of us only had 1080P TV, so the PS4 PRO or Xbox One X was more of a niche product.
PS5 and XSX on the other hand are not OK because they can barely keep up with the 1080P res in 4K era,
so the PS5 PRO is a necessity unlike the other pro consoles in previous generation.
ricardo_sousa11
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Problem is the software not the hardware.
SH2 is debatable, but PS5 pro is running the exact same performance mode than base PS5 at higher resolution and more stable framerate.
Jedi Survivor looks and run better on Pro.
Alan Wake 2 runs better on Pro, if you don't like PSSR implementation you can use the exact same FSR, PS5 base is using.
Dragons Dogma 2 is much much better on Pro, you can play even with RT at 60fps, when PS5 base is running the game averaging 45 even with RT off.
Star Wars Outlaws is also better on Pro and you have multiple graphics options.
No. At worst 900p to 1080p. Not 900p to 1440p.
Sony need to improve the PSSR. Hopefully 2.0 will be better. The hit and miss because on fault dev or software whatever it's has to improve. UE5 games need to work right.
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GymWolf
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Hyper_hyper
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OBJECTIVELY, you are wrong. And you deliberately ignored a facts which I've mentioned.
PS4 Pro never ever delivered over base PS4 like PS5 Pro did over base PS5.
I will tell you again
When you get a 60fps option on PS4 Pro, resolution and graphics were step back or remained the same, compared to base PS4. On PS5 Pro is otherwise. What is quality mode on base PS5, on PS5 Pro Performance is better than a quality mode on base PS5 in resolution, fps and graphics settings ( like F1 2024, GT7, FF7 Rebirth, Dragon Dogma 2.
... PS4 Pro couldn't achieve that. You get 60fps on PS4Pro, but resolution or graphics ( sometimes both) remained the same ( like in The Surge which was one of the best PS4Pro uograde) or step back compared to base console. In bunch of games.
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Topher
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That was my point bro
I wouldn't use the word "objectively" because most of the arguments used by you or many in this thread about downplay the ps5 pro are subjective and based to absurd/unrealistic expectations than really objective. I never blamed who complaints about the price or the specs but ps5 pro was always presented for what was thinking about, there isn't any tricky marketing from what I perceived personally; if for someone the enhancement offered is not enough, fine, it's understandable but expecting higher specs it's not the right subject to use to define such hardware a total failure. imo ps5 pro achieve what was intended for. A ps5 capable of better IQ and raytracing with enhanced graphic setting compared the base sku. And if 60 fps wasn't became the new standard on console probably we would have seen a more impressive boost on ps5 pro games.
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Topher
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I platinumed SM2 on PS5 Pro and the performance was fine for me. There were some drops, but not overly noticeable most of the time
Can't speak to SM2 though.
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Doctor Hades
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I get that the economy has changed and that consoles now cost more than they did at launch and not less.
However, it doesn't change the fact that the PS5 Pro feels like an enhanced console that is offering less for the money than the previous PS4 Pro which had a similar GPU boost over the base system. We did not even get the disc drive this time round and that is something I feel Sony could have included in the pack at the same price (along with the overpriced stand) at not too much of a loss to them to make the package better value. Who knows, maybe that would have sold more consoles?
But still the biggest issue for me wasn't the price, it is PSSR which has been a huge disappointment in my opinion. It's better than FSR overall but nothing depresses me more than seeing the base version with better image quality and/or performance and fewer visual artefacts than the Pro version with no option to actually play the base version. This is one area that I feel Sony have been weak on. They do not curate the games properly to ensure that the Pro version of every game is always better than the base system. That is what people who own the Pro are expecting and, sadly, it is not what we always get which just adds to the overall disappointment of owning the console.
dgrdsv
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It failed when it was clear that it'll be just 20% faster in compute than the base unit while costing +50% to that.
A better upscaling solution is nice but it's not a decisive difference to what's being used on the base h/w.
Faster RT with just 20% of additional compute means that it's not really that much faster in practice.
So what you have in the end are the games which look about the same from your typical living room viewing distance, and the only "saving grace" is its ability to eat up small performance drops providing a "locked" experience a bit more often.
If it would be +10-20% in price to the base unit that would be a solid entry for those interested. At +50% though? Nah.
A better upscaling solution is nice but it's not a decisive difference to what's being used on the base h/w.
Faster RT with just 20% of additional compute means that it's not really that much faster in practice.
So what you have in the end are the games which look about the same from your typical living room viewing distance, and the only "saving grace" is its ability to eat up small performance drops providing a "locked" experience a bit more often.
If it would be +10-20% in price to the base unit that would be a solid entry for those interested. At +50% though? Nah.
GoldenEye98
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I think when it goes on sale it's a relatively good bargain compared to PC.
darthkarki
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Considering the experience in a vacuum, I've been happy with the Pro. Not every game is dramatically better, but there is generally a noticeable improvement, and some truly impressive experiences - Horizon Forbidden West's absurd clarity and detail at 60fps, Ghost of Yotei's ray tracing at 60fps, etc. It's comforting knowing you're generally getting the best experience available on console, and not having to deal with some of the drawbacks of the base console knowing there's a better option.
That being said, when you compare to the jump in pro consoles last gen in price, hardware specs, and output, the PS5 Pro is definitely not as impressive. We're certainly not getting a 2-4x resolution increase, we can't get 60fps if the CPU couldn't already handle it. It would have been great if it came in at the same price as the launch PS5 and the base models had had their price reduced, as happened last gen. It still wouldn't have been quite as big a jump, but I think that would have been received pretty well. But when you consider that consoles are now actually getting price increases instead of decreases throughout their lifetimes, it doesn't seem like that was a possibility.
That being said, when you compare to the jump in pro consoles last gen in price, hardware specs, and output, the PS5 Pro is definitely not as impressive. We're certainly not getting a 2-4x resolution increase, we can't get 60fps if the CPU couldn't already handle it. It would have been great if it came in at the same price as the launch PS5 and the base models had had their price reduced, as happened last gen. It still wouldn't have been quite as big a jump, but I think that would have been received pretty well. But when you consider that consoles are now actually getting price increases instead of decreases throughout their lifetimes, it doesn't seem like that was a possibility.
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phant0m
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As someone who owned both Pro models, I strongly disagree. The 2 TB SSD makes the PS5 Pro a much better value - go look at Amazon, 2 TB NVMe SSDs are like $300, almost half the price of the entire console.
I do agree with you about the stand, that was a shitty move over a $2 piece of plastic.
Extremely good bargain
