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[Usobuko]

You don't need 'strong moral beliefs' to talk about video games.

You just need to know about, play, enjoy and have something to discuss... about video games.

The posters who flashed their 'strong moral beliefs' NEVER posted about video games, and that was the problem.

I have strong morals. I just don't see GAF as a meaningful outlet for them. Because it's a video game forum.

It's not a binary thing.

They overlapped and folks with different beliefs than yours who post frequently on the news site are a plenty.

Way too plenty.

 

[RealityCheque]

Enjoy your echo chamber.

Delete my account and all of my data. This place is very much done for me. And it couldn't be more deserved.

You might want to check this......

 

[cleveridea]

LOL at the immature banme posts, all that does it make me think gaf just became better by losing a bad member

Its counterproductive. The scariest thing to me is where the posters whose opinion I most value simply havent posted at ALL since this whole mess came down.

 

[Elfotografoalocado]

It was also a forum where casually shitting on white people was totally acceptable. Amazing huh.

Bruh, I'm also a white dude. If you cannot take criticism and/or you think the criticism even applies to you, that's on your conscience.
I never felt shat on for the record. Many will now, and they probably ain't white dudes. Though they probably left somewhere else.

 

[krov87]

Or this from the Amirox scandal:

I dont understand what were people expecting from this.
An user(ex moderator, kicked more than 5 years before the incident) gets arrested for something not related to the forum. And somehow, Evilore has to make a statement about it?

 

[Lucumo]

Asking to be banned so you can show off is not protest, protest is not actually entering the website or posting.

Pretty much. It's not like one can protest on a different website or something...

 

[-Mutsukki-]

"Blocking a highway and being beaten by police is not how you protest. You stay home and shut the fuck up"

Hooo boy

It's like if prominent players mass-quit from a sports league. Don't you think that'd be a strong way to protest?

Hm, yes, I guess you're right. I take back what I said then, I was factually wrong.

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

I fail to see how being banned and losing your voice on the website is a better way, but what do I know

People are being banned for speaking up

I only know ther Facebook post.

Then you didn’t do enough comment on the situation. You know, that same evidence shit you’re throwing around.

 

[Elfotografoalocado]

i have no doubt there are people who think their gesture is comparable.

I have no doubt you do neither

 

[PhantomThief]

No one said it isn't, but the punishment does not fit the crime.

Using an umbrella term to mask the severity of the actions involved doesn't make the butt grab a life destroying rape.

I hope EL gets what he deserves, but come now, he hasn't been raping children for years under the protection of the BBC, let's not act like he has.

No, but he lied about not knowing Amirox his name who was arrested for having child pornography.

He closed all topics pertaining to it, gave a gag order and people who questioned it got banned.

 

[cleveridea]

I dont understand what were people expecting from this.
An user(ex moderator, kicked more than 5 years before the incident) gets arrested for something not related to the forum. And somehow, Evilore has to make a statement about it?

Deleting threads and not commenting on such a potential minefield (eg legally) seems quite rational to me, as maddening as that might appear

 

[Nipo]

"Blocking a highway and being beaten by police is not how you protest. You stay home and shut the fuck up"

This is more like running into chick fil a and yelling at people eating there about how horrible the company is.

 

[ExVicis]

"Blocking a highway and being beaten by police is not how you protest. You stay home and shut the fuck up"

You're right, asking to get banned is the exact same as protesting in the streets and getting beat by the police. I'm glad you were able to value the plight of these people spamming "FUCK YOU" by showing me their actions are equal to that of someone getting arrested and beat in the streets. /s

 

[-Mutsukki-]

People are being banned for speaking up

I mean, people are literally asking to be banned? What did you expect?

 

[kvn]

Penis.

 

[PhantomThief]

LOL at the immature banme posts, all that does it make me think gaf just became better by losing a bad member

Its counterproductive. The scariest thing to me is where the posters whose opinion I most value simply havent posted at ALL since this whole mess came down.

Not everyone who asked fot a ban is a "bad member".

Jesus christ what is with your moral high horse that makes you think that the people who are staying here are somehow better than the people who dont want to interact with this website anymore?

Plenty of oldschool posters have been banned or left. Sensible people like _Kabouter or Durante for instance. Dark1x etc.

 

[entremet]

You and I bonded once over a moment of bristling at strict moderation/dogpiling/hivemindery. But I'm surprised you're peachy with what's happening right now.

I'd ask you to think about why the social/political aspect of GAF is being surgically scooped out tonight, and if it has anything to do with making a better community at all.

It doesn't. This is about protecting the leader from criticism, and keeping ad dollars flowing to him. This isn't more freedom of speech.... it's less. And it's in the direction of sheltering one man.

Honestly, I have no idea what's going on. It's definitely chaotic, but I'm gonna ride the wave to see what happens. Still way too early. But really, I'm lazy. GAF has been a part of my daily routine for a bit now. I've tried offshoot boards before. They rarely move fast enough.

But as a fellow level-headed poster, you should take a wait and see approach as well. I also joined Discords for some of my favorite sub-communities, so I should be golden.

But yes, it's gonna be crazy for a bit for the next few days, weeks, even months. That should be expected. What NuGAF turns into no one really knows, but that is what makes it exciting.

 

[OCD Guy]

I dont know Evilore, i dont know the woman. From reading some of the posts i started thinking that he had a horrible past and a trail of victims, but then i did read that what he did in the past was touching someone ass in a club (which is bad, but surely not what i pictured in my mind after reading some comments). If you go to a club, you will see "crazy" stuff from both genders.

I hope EL gets what he deserves, but come now, he hasn't been raping children for years under the protection of the BBC, let's not act like he has.

The above posts highlight my biggest issue really.

Some people are overreacting and putting what happened in similar categories to rape, violent assault etc.

Any posters that then say what happened with Evilore isn't as serious are then jumped on and portrayed as animals.

Yeah, I'm out.

An innocent person doesn't take their whole community down for "maintenance" to hide from accusations. Furthermore, hiding behind an anonymous moderator account while actively deleting negative (and rightfully so) threads and posts is pathetic.

Even if he is "guilty" the situation we have is what she alleges isn't as serious as some of you think it is, even in the court of law.

Let's break it down, he entered a shower naked and then immediately left when asked. This is the accusers statement, not evilores.

Yet some people are acting as though he entered the shower naked, was told to leave but stayed and kept trying to force her into a physical act.

I've actually seen some people say they hope he get's a life sentence, I mean come on. The alleged events are not going to be deemed serious enough for that sort of punishment...

 

[Lifeline]

Will off topic ever come back, slowly one community at a time or something?

Political and current event discussions often got of hand, but movie/tv show discussion were less toxic than games.

 

[Longshot]

LOL at the immature banme posts, all that does it make me think gaf just became better by losing a bad member

Its counterproductive. The scariest thing to me is where the posters whose opinion I most value simply havent posted at ALL since this whole mess came down.

I don't see how it's immature? People have different values than some people, shocking I know.

Not nearly as counter-productive than removing people's voice on a giant forum, in the midst of a sex scandal when we don't even know the full story.

Fucken hilarious.

 

[Maedre]

Then you didn't do enough comment on the situation. You know, that same evidence shit you're throwing around.

I commented on the information I was given. Now I read the Waypoint "article". There was nothing new to it.

 

[cleveridea]

Not everyone who asked fot a ban is a "bad member".

Jesus christ what is with your moral high horse that makes you think that the people who are staying here are somehow better than the people who dont want to interact with this website anymore?

Plenty of oldschool posters have been banned or left. Sensible people like _Kabouter or Durante for instance. Dark1x etc.

Key point was IMMATURE posts. nothing wrong with rational quitting or calm rational ban me posts, just the crazy ones

 

[FinalAres]

Asking to be banned so you can show off is not protest, protest is not actually entering the website or posting.

I do find the suicides annoying, and I suspect a lot of them are just trolling, however I respect their right to protest. Okay it inconveniences me slightly, but this is an issue they feel strongly about, so good on them!

 

[PhantomThief]

I dont understand what were people expecting from this.
An user(ex moderator, kicked more than 5 years before the incident) gets arrested for something not related to the forum. And somehow, Evilore has to make a statement about it?

Because you dont know the whole story. And seemingly have no interest in finding out whats what either.

 

[Theorry]

Will off topic ever come back, slowly one community at a time or something?

Political and current event discussions often got of hand, but movie/tv show discussion were less toxic than games.

Except for DC movies.

 

[Fluffernutter Pancake]

If we're talking about making some constructive changes to the board, can we please add a feature that notifies you when one of your posts has been quoted?

That has been sorely lacking - - it's hard to keep track of all your posts and whether anyone has replied to them or used them. This would be a major improvement

 

[MontyBrown]

It's not a binary thing.

They overlapped and folks with different beliefs than yours who post frequently on the news site are a plenty.

Way too plenty.

From what I could tell, the overlap were people who wanted to derail discussion about games to shoehorn in discussion about race, gender or sexuality.

Sometimes that's a valid discussion to have about a game. Most times on here it was forced.

No loss.

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

I mean, people are literally asking to be banned? What did you expect?

Go back and read earlier pages. People called evilore out and got banned.

 

[Number_6]

Did he deny that it happened? No. Have you ever heard of two sides too a story? Maybe he thought it was consensual? He was drunk, do you think signals maybe had been mixed?

Listen as I said you are free to be “appalled” by actions of others, but you were not in that room, and you really don’t know exactly what happened.

Furthermore it sounds like nothing did happen. She said NO and he left the shower. If she said no, and he didn’t? Well that’s a different story. No one was raped in this scenario, based on the story.

The woman even remained friends and dated him afterwards. So to say that there was no somewhat mutual connection and physical attraction between them is obviously false .

People cheat of their wives / boyfriends on a daily basis. It’s why we have a high divorce rate, what he did sucks but it isn’t a crime.

Regarding his reaction, I’m sure this is not anything he ever in his right mind thought he would ever have to revisit or try to explain. Alcohol tends to make your memory a little fuzzy if you’re new to the experience .

He did not deny. He said it's lies and called the woman mentally unstable.

There's other sexual offenses besides rape. Like, come on.

It is irrelevant that they dated later. The point is how he made her feel then, in that one moment, when he was not welcome and she was totally vulnerable.

So why did he say that she's mentally unstable, instead of saying hey I tried to get it on but I mixed up the signals that were given?

No, he doesnt own up to what he did. He gives a bullshit "statement" about her being mentally unstable.

Just own up to it and say hey I fucked up,Ill try to do better next time.

This.

The behavior set that you are mindlessly defending ( he only touched a grabbed a girl's ass, while drunk, we've all done it) is the exact mindset that the #metoo movement is trying to bring to light. This is not a game of absolutes, it isn't a binary decision of rape/not rape. Harassment is harassment and no one can tell you how it affects the person it is done to, except for that person themselves. The type of behavior I'm seeing on this forum is what enables this mindset to continue to flourish. You don't defend "light harassment". You apologize for the behavior and try to change. You adapt to the changing times, and yes, grabbing a girl while drunk is considered harassment. Talking to a woman in a sexual way when she doesn't consent is harassment. Leering at a woman is harassment. Calling a woman a bitch because she turned you down or doesn't want to engage in sexual activity is harassment. The list goes on...

I've been here 10 years, but seeing all the shit that has happened here in the last few months, this is no longer a community I want to associate with. Good luck to you all and I hope as you grow and mature you learn to see things with other's frames of reference, especially those who are different from yourself.

And this.

Given they had consensual sex later down the line perhaps it gives more credence to the fact there was flirting / attraction between the pair but impaired with alcohol he made a ill conceived move at the wrong time.

Hardly a reason to crucify someone.

In this moment, one has the choice to own up to a mistake, or double down and call the victim crazy. Guess which on our dearest owner chose...

Did I miss the part about forced? Was someone raped? He was told no, and he listened. Why he thought it was ok to get naked in the shower could be a whole ton of reasons. Alcohol clouds your judgement. It’s highly possible he truly thought she was into him. The fact is you don’t know.

Alcohol is not an excuse. Own your mistakes!

"I didn't know you felt that way about it, I'm sorry."

Or...

"I didn't know at the time, but we've since discussed it and I apologized."

Or...

"Bullshit. I won't deny anything specific, but she does have a history of mental illness."

Hmmm.

Drunk? Misunderstanding? Didn't know? Own up to it.

Don't give a fuck? Then fuck off.

 

[Bruco]

I started lurking on NeoGAF because the anti-woman toxicity and GamerGate bullshit all over reddit became too frustrating to deal with every day. New NeoGAF is already looking real similar to that.

 

[Ctlead]

LOL at the immature banme posts, all that does it make me think gaf just became better by losing a bad member

Its counterproductive. The scariest thing to me is where the posters whose opinion I most value simply havent posted at ALL since this whole mess came down.

"bad member"

 

[-Mutsukki-]

I do find the suicides annoying, and I suspect a lot of them are just trolling, however I respect their right to protest. Okay it inconveniences me slightly, but this is an issue they feel strongly about, so good on them!

Yeah that's the sensible way to go about it, I gotta think more before posting too.

 

[Usobuko]

From what I could tell, the overlap were people who wanted to derail discussion about games to shoehorn in discussion about race, gender or sexuality.

Sometimes that's a valid discussion to have about a game. Most times on here it was forced.

No loss.

Except you're still seeing it as a binary thing.

 

[Lucumo]

Hm, yes, I guess you're right. I take back what I said then, I was factually wrong.

He really isn't though. The "prominent" players aren't posting those threads or shitting up other threads. Those random people are more like people leaving a city and to show that they hate this city, they are throwing bricks at random windows, thus being an annoyance to everyone who lives there. It's not hard to create a thread where everyone that is going away (forever) just posts there to say that they are gone, in a civil manner. If anything, the length of that thread would serve a protest way better than what they are doing.

 

[CaseyTappy]

Tried shit posting a few times to get a ban but I'm sick of getting ignored so I'll ask it here in this sticky thread. to those anonymous mods browsing the forum right now ban me Don't wanna be apart of a forum where Evilore is in charge.

Why can´t you just leave in silence, does it have to be like this ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGcHNnI2mh4

 

[cleveridea]

well one thing is for sure, it was boring when gaf was down and its kinda exciting again now

scary time for the owner of the site though

 

[PositiveGamer]

This thread is already turning toxic..


So much hate. So much negativity. We don't need that in here

 

[Liquid-San]

So... forum is dead? I don't see it recovering from this. In fact, since most of NeoGAF's community was made up primarily of liberals who consistently aimed to have women's voices be heard, I highly doubt it'll ever really be back following the story that happened. Just seems like there's an air of hypocrisy and shadiness now that bogs down the forum.

I guess I'll stay a part of it until I hear word of an official forum replacement with most of the community there... (If you guys know of one, please PM me.)

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

I commented on the information I was given. Now I read the Waypoint "article". There was nothing new to it.

If you didn’t pick up on the emotional abuse and dismissal then I give up. Calling some unstable and shit is not owning up.

Dude also DELETED THE ENTIRE MESSAGE BOARD before saying anything. Think about that. In your world of evidence that would be a highly suspect move.

 

[Raptomex]

I dont understand what were people expecting from this.
An user(ex moderator, kicked more than 5 years before the incident) gets arrested for something not related to the forum. And somehow, Evilore has to make a statement about it?

I don't get this either. From what I understand Amir0x was stripped of his mod title way before any of the pedophile shit broke. But of course, once the news broke that he was a pedophile, people just assumed all of the staff knew beforehand and was "harboring" him. I don't think that was the case. I do not think all of the mods are pedophiles and I don't think they all knew he was a piece of shit.

 

[smiggyRT]

lol this dude has posted some creepy shit in relation to women before. That holiday thread he did way back had some weird encounters iirc

I can believe it

 

[Kusagari]

I dont understand what were people expecting from this.
An user(ex moderator, kicked more than 5 years before the incident) gets arrested for something not related to the forum. And somehow, Evilore has to make a statement about it?

Amirox had previously scammed the site for drug money and put his mom in the hospital and was still a member of the forum.

EL flat out lied about not knowing Amirox's real name, which every long term member knew was bullshit, and put out a gag order on discussion of the matter; banning anyone that tried to bring it up.

People who have been paying attention know that EL has always come off as a creepy piece of shit. And it seems he's finally cultivating a forum more in line with his real personality.

Peace out. This site is no longer something I wish to be part of.

 

[ExVicis]

I started lurking on NeoGAF because the anti-woman toxicity and GamerGate bullshit all over reddit became too frustrating to deal with every day. New NeoGAF is already looking real similar to that.

Is it though? I would guess the majority of posts revolve around the subject of asking for a ban or being an immature outburst of just swearing at Evillore.

 

[DasPenguin]

I don't see how it's immature? People have different values than some people, shocking I know.

Not nearly as counter-productive than removing people's voice on a giant forum, in the midst of a sex scandal when we don't even know the full story.

Fucken hilarious.

This is not a value discussion. It’s a single accusation against a person, who is trying to defend himself. Do you a) know the victim b) know to accused personally or c) know some facts about the case? If not, screaming rapist is pretty fucken stupid and so is “boys will be boys” crowd, although I haven’t seen much of it.

Personally I’d rather see what comes out of the situation and even though I didn’t think OP’s explanation was great, if he’s innocent it could’ve been a lot worse. Again, I’ve seen a person who was wrongfully accused and even though his name was cleared quite fast, he still has to hear about it. If OP is quilty , I expect the police to take care of the situation. If not, his name will be cleared but let’s be honest: it never will be even if he didn’t do a damn thing.

 

[jph139]

It doesn't matter if the dude is a rapist (note: he probably is). What matters is the dude's a cunt.

I mean, look at the Waypoint article. Listen to the mods that left. Read his own goddamn posts in OT (if/when they're ever restored). His entire life story is holier-than-thou macho bullshit. The only thing he actually did with this site was set up ad revenue (poorly, as anyone who bothered to browse without blocking them will tell you). He sat back raking in tens of thousands of dollars a month while community volunteers put in the actual work. And whenever shit hit the fan, he constantly undermined them and made their lives more difficult. The smartest thing he did was fuck off 90% of the time and he couldn't even do that right!

He doesn't deserve the cash. He doesn't deserve the vacations. He doesn't deserve the internet fame. He doesn't deserve the community. And he never did. Anyone paying attention always knew that - this was just the last straw.

If you guys want to hang out in the graveyard you're welcome to, but don't pretend like there will ever be a return to normalcy. The industry insiders? The top posters? The mod team? The content creators? The goodwill and good name? That shit's all gone now. You'll see it in all of the hype threads and OTs and communities - it'll all feel just a little bit hollow.

Have fun with it, I'm out.

 

[cleveridea]

So... forum is dead? I don't see it recovering from this. In fact, since most of NeoGAF's community was made up primarily of liberals who consistently aimed to have women's voices be heard, I highly doubt it'll ever really be back following the story that happened. Just seems like there's an air of hypocrisy and shadiness now that bogs down the forum.

I guess I'll stay a part of it until I hear word of an official forum replacement with most of the community there... (If you guys know of one, please PM me.)

It will live or die based on enough people posting about actual game topics. Personally I missed most being able to talk or hear opinions about the non-AAA games, like all the steam indie games that came out in october

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

Is it though? I would guess the majority of posts revolve around the subject of asking for a ban or being an immature outburst of just swearing at Evillore.

There sure as shit is a lot of victim blaming going on in this thread.

 

[PBY]

Is it though? I would guess the majority of posts revolve around the subject of asking for a ban or being an immature outburst of just swearing at Evillore.

This thread is full of gamer gate bullshit.

 

[Mothman91]

Realized that some communities were "run" by certain people. They made up the majority of posts. Will be sad to see this.

Hope gaming sticks together though. I wonder where some of these people are going to go to instead of GAF.

 

[Pete the Ferret]

Well I'm very much of the thought that I'd prefer to see how this plays out, there's obviously a couple of sides to this story and it does not seem to be completely clear cut to me.

Also, as there's suddenly a lot of membership vacancies can I get fast tracked?

...I just wanna talk about games and random fun off topic stuff...