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[Subpar Scrub]

I give an opinion of mine, with no attacks on anybody.

"SJW crowd will head over to some new place in a continued spate of virtue signalling hissy fits."

Are you fucking delusional?

 

[PhantomThief]

Remember this?

Yeah such a friendly cat open to all sports of views and discussions.

*Rolls eyes*.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

This is what I'm talking about. I give an opinion of mine, with no attacks on anybody...but it comes back that I am a "cowardly piece of shit" and need to "shut the fuck up." What great contributions to the discussion.

A "safe space" should be free of insults, ad hominem, and slurs. It does not (and should not) mean that anyone is safe from hearing dissenting views.

You actually didn't say anything, I wanted to hear what you meant when you said SJW and "disenting" views.

Instead you're the one that actually hides behind your vague words and unknown meanings.

I don't want a "safe space", I just want to know what you're actually really want to say without hiding behind your layered wording. It's a "safe space" because as of now, politics can't be talked about, so any social issues within gaming are basically off limits, as well as anything political in real life.

Because whenever someone is called out for doing what you're doing, they do exactly what you did, complain without actually explaining what you mean.

 

[Old Empire.]

So if a guy climbed naked into the shower with you you'd be cool with that? That is sexual assault. Flat out. 100%.

I would not care if i knew the guy/or girl liked me. Is liking someone a crime now? He left the shower when she said NO leave! If she felt disgusted she would not have touched a bone on his body later on!

 

[Summer Haze]

Victim? She jumped into bed with him after the shower incident.

What's your opinion on people who suffer domestic abuse and then continue to sleep with/stay with their partners afterwards?

 

[otakukidd]

Huh? Sweet Nicole ist Laura Dale?

Yeah its Emily Rogers, I always get the 2 mixed up for some reason. Sorry

 

[Mr. RHC]

Well.

I'm happy that Geonaf is not a thing. Horrible name.

I also feel uncomfortable about hundreds of people going full witch hunt and mob justice on the staff of the site and their private lives...

I think it would be a real shame if that was the way GAF was remembered since there really are some quality posters and posts on the site.

 

[PhantomThief]

This is what I'm talking about. I give an opinion of mine, with no attacks on anybody...but it comes back that I am a "cowardly piece of shit" and need to "shut the fuck up." What great contributions to the discussion.

A "safe space" should be free of insults, ad hominem, and slurs. It does not (and should not) mean that anyone is safe from hearing dissenting views.

Right, and people spouting " omg SJW ruin everything " can fuck right off for all I care. Because it makes you look like the biggest tool out there.

 

[John Wick]

Really don't post here often, always have been more of a lurker, but please go ahead and ban me, I don't want anything to do with this site anymore.

Shit man! Did he murder a family member or something?

 

[SOME-MIST]

So if a guy climbed naked into the shower with you you'd be cool with that? That is sexual assault. Flat out. 100%.

Happens at the gym all the time and I don't throw around a fit

 

[dealer-]

But immediately left when asked to do so...

He exposed himself to her when she was vulnerable. He could have knocked on the door fully clothed or gone about it in a multitude of different, normal ways if he wanted to get laid.

 

[appaws]

You posting mysoginistic bullshit doesn't help anyone.

Can you be specific about which "mysoginistic bullshit" you are talking about?

 

[oxidax]

So if a guy climbed naked into the shower with you you'd be cool with that? That is sexual assault. Flat out. 100%.

He didn't physically force her to do anything so THAT IS NOT SEXUAL ASSAULT, FLAT OUT, 100%. Unless you know something we don't because I have yet seen any post from her saying that he forced her to do anything.
And if what some members are saying is true, if she climbed into bed with him afterwards then it was consensual. so yea..

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

Innocent until proven guilty.

At least that what I thought? When did that change?

When social justice reared it's ugly head.

 

[PhantomThief]

I would not care if i knew the guy/or girl liked me. Is liking someone a crime now? He left the shower when she said NO leave! If she felt disgusted she would not have touched a bone on his body later on!

So if I go up to a collegue naked and be like yp wassup lets do this?

And she says no

And I walk away

I have not harassed her in any way?

For real??!

 

[His Majesty]

I mean... what has Trump done that doesn't warrant a "Fuck Trump"?

The man is disgusting.

He is. It's just not a very interesting discussion to have. And especially not on 10 different threads on the front page.

 

[Zzzonked]

Came back pretty much to say this. Since when misreading a situation became rape? I've been in situations where I thought something was going one way and it didn't. I went back with the tail between my legs and we never spoke again because of how awkward is was going to be. Grabbing ass? thats not rape. Getting in the shower with someone and not doing anything? thats not rape. She said she didn't want to do anything and he obliged. Thats not rape. Thats actually the total opposite. You ppl are fucking crazy seriously.

This right here.

Kinda bewildering how outraged people are lol.

 

[Subpar Scrub]

Happens at the gym all the time and I don't throw around a fit

Are you being serious right now? How daft or insincere can you be?

 

[SuperBanana]

I would not care if i knew the guy/or girl liked me. Is liking someone a crime now? He left the shower when she said NO leave! If she felt disgusted she would not have touched a bone on his body later on!

You don't get in a fucking shower naked with someone without consent. How hard is that to comprehend?

 

[Valonquar]

I disagree, I feel like half the topics/posts on off topic were bait to get me temp banned again.

 

[KarneeKarnay]

Is this the moment Gaf jumped the shark?

 

[Lyng]

So if I go up to a collegue naked and be like yp wassup lets do this?

And she says no

And I walk away

I have not harassed her in any way?

For real??!

This is very strange comming from someone with a Persona 5 avatar...

 

[beato_angelico]

Remember this?

no I don't, I didn't read that thread. Doesn't change much of what I believe, it's a privately owned site, it still is, it was a bad idea siding the whole site for the first and last time on a single, US-only issue, and banning political talk now is cowardly.

 

[Bethell]

Man, i come here for lightheartedness and talking about Mario and what different hats he can wear.

Hope we can get back to normality as this is a great place.

 

[Old Empire.]

What's your opinion on people who suffer domestic abuse and then continue to sleep with/stay with their partners afterwards?

Please stop annoying me with this crap. He left the shower when asked. He did not force it on her. Fact he left the shower when asked tells me his not a rapist.

 

[The Pope]

Im going to come back in a month and see which way the community has pivoted, have exams r/n.

Evilore
-Open Off-topic again. Critical!!!!!
-Allow discussion on the issue in a designated thread.
-Feel free to ban people who bring it up outside said thread.
-You should have just apologised profusely.

Do not let this forum fall to the alt-right. Best of luck. Hope you learn from this, I certainly did.

 

[Subpar Scrub]

This is very strange comming from someone with a Persona 5 avatar...

No it's not. Give me one instance in which the P5 protag does that.

 

[Enco]

GAF ain't dead. OP just misread a situation. If I go on a road trip with a female and we're drunk in a hotel room out something I'd be trying to fuck too. She refused and he got upset. Didn't rape her. Just wasted money on a trip and didn't get any pussy. I woulda been upset too. Like always GAF overreact to the situation like everything else.

Hope you guys happy at New era.

This

Dumbest reaction to a nonsense story I have ever seen. Both GAF members and outsiders reacted like morons. This includes he mod/admin reactions. Too ridiculous.

 

[appaws]

You actually didn't say anything, I wanted to hear what you meant when you said SJW and "disenting" views.

Instead you're the one that actually hides behind your vague words and unknown meanings.

I don't want a "safe space", I just want to know what you're actually really want to say without hiding behind your layered wording.

Because whenever someone is called out for doing what you're doing, they do exactly what you did, complain without actually explaining what you mean.

I'm a lawyer, I can't help it.

By SJW I mean....that's a pretty widely used term these days, and I would argue most people know exactly what I am talking about.

By dissenting views...I mean views that are opposite of the main opinion of a particular thread, like if it is a "Trump sucks" thread, people who like Trump would dissent. They could be argued with, but not just called names or banned.

 

[Caipirinha]

Yeap, that dichotomy gives both tribes the excuse to censor everyone they deem a heretic as you say. If you're not copy pasting their talking points then you must be on the evil side therefore you're evil therefore they don't want to hear you. It's easier to vilify anyone who disagrees with you than to debate them.

It's no coincidence though, most of them are pretty comfortable with their quality of life so challenging the class system isn't really in their interest. In fact it's in their interest to not even understand it, or understand what leftism actually is, which is why I think there is so much hostility to debate here. Get them to engage even for a few minutes and they realise how quickly their superficial understanding of society falls apart. So many little emperors that can't bear to realise they're wearing no clothes.

 

[OCD Guy]

He exposed himself to her when she was vulnerable. He could have knocked on the door fully clothed or gone about it in a multitude of different, normal ways if he wanted to get laid.

I'm not trying to justify that part of it. I'm NOT saying it's acceptable to walk into a shower naked with someone who has a boyfriend. I'm saying that I don't think it's an extremely serious crime.

I'm disagreeing more with the people who are trying to pitch what happened as on par with serious rape, sexual assault etc.

If he had carried on despite her rejecting his advances, and perhaps got physical then that would be a completely different level.

What it boils down to is I think some people are overreacting. It's like the ass grab, I'm not saying it's ok, simply that it wasn't the "rape crime" some were trying to portray it as at the time.

Here's an example for you, someone walks into a shop and steals some sweets, it's wrong right. But some people put that on par with armed robbery and stealing large amounts of cash.

 

[MrKaepora]

It's really fucking shitty but 'cmon. Stalin and Hitler wouldn't give a fuck about NeoGAF.

C'mon, that's not fair. Mods left, of course they had to shut down the OT temporarily.

This is absolutely correct. If we don't stop Evilor next thing we know he'll be murdering millions of people. Brave soldiers of GAF, do your part by posting on a shittier forum for a while. Think of the lives you will save!

I guess censorship and elimination through bans of people that you won't agree are ok with some folks.

Have a good time then.

 

[Mahadev]

This right here.

Kinda bewildering how outraged people are lol.

No it isn't. If you had been following the witchhunts of the last few years you'd realize that this is standard operating procedure for a vocal minority that was protected by the former mods here.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

He since then called her mentally unstable.

Yeah that part is pretty fucked up.

 

[Chorazin]

Happens at the gym all the time and I don't throw around a fit

A single stall shower while you're vomiting? That happens all the time at your gym? Really? Really?

 

[Lyng]

No it's not. Give me one instance in which the P5 protag does that.

Looking up Anns skirt while sleeping...several incidents of oogling her boobs. The whole view on homosexuals in that game. Its a game that reeks of sexism and predatory behaviour.
All kept under the "well its ewww when adults are perverts but A-okay when its teens/late teens".

 

[Rushersauce]

This is what I'm talking about. I give an opinion of mine, with no attacks on anybody...but it comes back that I am a "cowardly piece of shit" and need to "shut the fuck up." What great contributions to the discussion.

A "safe space" should be free of insults, ad hominem, and slurs. It does not (and should not) mean that anyone is safe from hearing dissenting views.

Opinions are no "free pass", FFS.

 

[PhantomThief]

He didn't physically force her to do anything so THAT IS NOT SEXUAL ASSAULT, FLAT OUT, 100%. Unless you know something we don't because I have yet seen any post from her saying that he forced her to do anything.

Its harassment and indecent exposure for sure.

 

[TyrantII]

I would not care if i knew the guy/or girl liked me. Is liking someone a crime now? He left the shower when she said NO leave! If she felt disgusted she would not have touched a bone on his body later on!

Are you 12? Serious question.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

I'm a lawyer, I can't help it.

By SJW I mean....that's a pretty widely used term these days, and I would argue most people know exactly what I am talking about.

By dissenting views...I mean views that are opposite of the main opinion of a particular thread, like if it is a "Trump sucks" thread, people who like Trump would dissent. They could be argued with, but not just called names or banned.

No, we don't. SJW is a general term used to describe such a wide array of any left leaning issue that I don't know what you mean, so instead of hiding behind such a general term I want to know what you actually want to say.

Because the moment you say SJW I make assumptions, and if I say something that is actually what you think but is damning to your image, you can easily deflect by proclaiming you never said anything about that because all you said is "SJW".

 

[Old Empire.]

You don't get in a fucking shower naked with someone without consent. How hard is that to comprehend?

She obviously liked him she had a sexual relationship with him later. His not a guy she disliked before the shower incident. How do you know she was not flirty with him before the incident?

 

[CaseyTappy]

So many people here killing off their low post count shadow accounts, they must be serious !

 

[Mula]

Innocent until proven guilty.

At least that what I thought? When did that change?

This has sadly changed .
It's like a witchhunt
We can burn this Forum down when he is proven guilty.

 

[MontyBrown]

Im going to come back in a month and see which way the community has pivoted, have exams r/n.

Evilore
-Open Off-topic again. Critical!!!!!
-Allow discussion on the issue in a designated thread.
-Feel free to ban people who bring it up outside said thread.
-You should have just apologised profusely.

Do not let this forum fall to the alt-right. Best of luck. Hope you learn from this, I certainly did.

Why does everyone keep saying the forum is going alt-right.

The drama queens here are insane.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

By SJW I mean....that's a pretty widely used term these days, and I would argue most people know exactly what I am talking about.

So widely-used, so supposedly well-understood, and yet you are unable to actually explain what you mean by your use of it after repeated requests.

 

[OminoMichelin]

I have no idea about evilore's allegation, and won't comment further on them.

The reaction, however, is basically Bad PR 101, and the results are...well we can see how this thread is going.

Attempting to swipe under the rug any and all political threads and opinions is going to alienate a very large chunk of gaffers, aka a community that was attracted by certain political idea in the first place, even if they never touched poligaf with a 10-foot pole.

For the naives who rejoice from this change, remember that entertainment is politics, even if you choose not to see it.

I'm afraid that the exodus will turn this site into a new gamefaqs. If I start seeing a shift in the quality and the tone of the discourse, I'll join the ranks of the leavers.

Man, thinking about it, I've been browsing this forum for a good 10 years. Damn.

 

[John Wick]

What's your opinion on people who suffer domestic abuse and then continue to sleep with/stay with their partners afterwards?

So now your comparing a marriage/relationship with a one off incedent? It's not easy leaving someone you love or are married to. If it affected her so badly she wouldn't have been having a relationship with him afterwards. I know I certainly wouldn't be entertaining someone like that

 

[Subpar Scrub]

Snip

I meant the actions you were directly quoting. Yeah that game has issues, but you were making it sound like the protag did what Evilore did.

I know I certainly wouldn't be entertaining someone like that

I imagine because you have all of your mental faculties in place. According to Evilore, this girl did not.

 

[SuperBanana]

She obviously liked him she had a sexual relationship with him later. His not a guy she disliked before the shower incident. How do you know she was not flirty with him before the incident?

You don't get in a fucking shower naked with a woman in a relationship. Doesn't matter if she flirts, doesn't matter about anything. You don't do it. Your mental gymnastics for this sounds like something out of the alt-right rapist hand book.

"She was dressed like a slut so she obviously wanted it"

This site went from fighting against sexism and misogyny in the gaming industry to defending it. Fucking sick,

 

[PhantomThief]

She obviously liked him she had a sexual relationship with him later. His not a guy she disliked before the shower incident. How do you know she was not flirty with him before the incident?

Can you answer my posts?

Why does he call her mentally unstable after the fact? She didnt want him in the shower, he had sex later and now claims she's crazy and mentally unstable.

If I go a random person in the club or in my work place and go naked expose my dick to him/her. Is that not harassment?

Please explain.