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[Vegetable Lasagna]

lol this place is done for me. Situation couldn't have been handled any worse. Throwing the OT in the garbage is clearly a thinly veiled attempt to silence the discussion of EvilLore's actions and his multiple excuses since just make his character come off even trashier than he first appeared. Funny how someone will openly and casually talk about participating in sexual harassment online until it affects their bottom line. Now the OT environment they created themselves is the problem? lol gtfo

I was willing to give EvilLore the benefit of the doubt. You know, innocent until proven guilty. Then he opened his mouth and did what he did. Now? Nah. Have fun.

 

[Buzzman]

As a lurker of many years

Well I'm team Liu Bei.

 

[Imp the Dimp]

"wrongthink" lmao. Straight out of r/kia.

 

[wachie]

I don't care about the new board. I think you got your wires crossed. My gripes are with how the old OT was handled here. It was far from the utopia some describe it as, especially when we know mods have been removed for quiet bans. For the most part, bans were deserved, but there was a disconcerting amount that really weren't. The tone was also decidedly hostile towards anyone who wasn't following along, even if their take was completely innocuous. It devolved into a place of nodding in agreement rather than open discussion.

Sorry, you cant flip your misunderstanding on me, its on you. I was specifically asking someone what was being filtered at the new boards beyond the regular extremist, hateful stans and you chose to quote me and take me on a tangent.

In regards to your opinion on OT, yeah, it wasnt perfect but it was still much much better than Gaming and it certainly was less toxic. To be brutally honest, I was banned a few times and all of them were in OT, doesnt mean that the place was more toxic. If you think the bans were unfair, then they were dished out by mods, handpicked by you-know-who.

In another, much bigger post, I detailed why I loved OT and that too despite not being in alignment of the popular opinion there. If the popular opinion there bothered people too much (clearly it does) then there is something inherently wrong, because the popular opinion there was against misogyny, racism, sexism and other things that honestly any decent human should be against.

The moderation load is high because people who have no intention of staying can't just quietly dip out - they have to shit on this place and make it hard for the mods. People who say heinous shit are still being banned, so your concern seems unwarranted. It seems like you consider the slightest amount of pushback to be offensive though, so I can't say I'm surprised at your misrepresentation of the situation.

Uhh, maybe you havent see the posts in question. The new shadow mods are aware since those posts in question have been met with a lot of criticism but they are A-OK because somehow they rally against the allegations or in part support Tyler.

If you want to talk about tides, you should talk about the part of the mod team that quit at the drop of the hat and plunged the community into chaos. They could have waited for a public statement and then been very vocal about their desire for Evilore to step down. So too could all the members that left. Instead, we get people flaming out in spectacular fashion because that's cool to do, I guess? You're right, no one ordinary user is going to change shit, but I've made my choice. I suggest you do the same.

You and honestly, none of us have no right to question any of the mods as to why they left. We are given this *reason* that it was stress but honestly that's about as good a *reason* as the OT being taken down and the new rules in place now specifically to protect you-know-who.

 

[Clockwork]

"wrongthink" lmao. Straight out of r/kia.

Whatever fits your narrative.

 

[appaws]

That's the way Gaf has been for some time now. At least when involving social issues. Disagree even slightly would sometimes create a label on an individual. Exactly way Gaf got a reputation of being a echo chamber. Social Gaf didn't welcome discussion, only agreement.

Exactly.

People in this thread are so funny. On one hand trying to deny the fact of the echo chamber and ideological ban hammer....but then also justifying it.

Of course bigotry should not be allowed....but they have defined bigotry as any disagreement on a whole host of issues.

 

[Extra Sauce]

It was originally supposed to go up Monday... then Tuesday... then today... at what point does it become vaporware?

I mean it has to take at least as long building a web site as it does responding to accusations of sexual harassment.

 

[BooTiddly]

lol this place is done for me. Situation couldn't have been handled any worse. Throwing the OT in the garbage is clearly a thinly veiled attempt to silence the discussion of EvilLore's actions and his multiple excuses since just make his character come off even trashier than he first appeared. Funny how someone will openly and casually talk about participating in sexual harassment online until it affects their bottom line. Now the OT environment they created themselves is the problem? lol gtfo

I was willing to give e EvilLore the benefit of the doubt. Then he opened his mouth and did what he did. Now? Nah. Have fun.

There isn't any evidence backing up either side yet. We should probably wait a while before making any conclusions.

 

[Pifje]

Kind of depressing to shut down a forum of thousands of people just because of the trials and tribulations of a few people that own the forum.

Nothing democratic or professional in a solution like this, and it makes the admins/owners look like they resorted to being 15 year olds again.

 

[Bowler]

seriously peeps resorting to nsfw gifs, and pics, can fuck right off.

 

[Timan]

Care to explain why discord links are not permitted on PMs, exactly?

Sent ya a pm as a test.

 

[Calderc]

No not yet, the wait is killing me :/

As someone who doesn't really know what Discord is I hope I can get in. This place will never be the same.

 

[Gusto]

It was originally supposed to go up Monday... then Tuesday... then today... at what point does it become vaporware?

Patience, don’t forget what happened to Moses when he cursed God about the promised land. Moses never got to see it.

 

[MUnited83]

If you want to talk about tides, you should talk about the part of the mod team that quit at the drop of the hat and plunged the community into chaos. They could have waited for a public statement and then been very vocal about their desire for Evilore to step down. So too could all the members that left. Instead, we get people flaming out in spectacular fashion because that's cool to do, I guess? You're right, no one ordinary user is going to change shit, but I've made my choice. I suggest you do the same.

...you do realize the mod team dropped after he made a statement to the mods in internal communication, yes? And most of them saw how bullshit it was and rightfully dropped out of that mess.
Also trying to fault the mods for leaving, especially after great mods like Stumpokapow were doxxed and had to erase all their online presence, it's fucking gross.

 

[Markoman]

Prove me wrong

Nah, we're good my friend. I've learned some good lessons this year...I won't try to convince some guy/girl who may be hundreds if not thousands of miles away from me. And even a few feet away, I don't mind. Imagine a guy in the jungle of South America insulted the favourite color of Sir Shitterly in Lancashire in 1523. Who gives a fuck. The Inet did not change anything in this regard.

I'm zen. Live and let live. To be honest, I'm not doing all of this for a greater cause, I'm doing it solely to stimulate my brain. I could collect stamps, wash my car every day, masturbate all day, etc. but posting on Gaf is better.

 

[HStallion]

Whatever fits your narrative.

Double plus good!

 

[veryslowhand]

should have take the 7 figures, lol

 

[Grady]

Man, I only joined to get latest gaming info and occasionally post. Now, I'm getting tricked into looking at explicit images I would rather not look at. What the fuck, so this is why site was down?

 

[Anung]

Double plus good!

I am a man! Not an elephant!

Shit wrong film.

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

Exactly.

People in this thread are so funny. On one hand trying to deny the fact of the echo chamber and ideological ban hammer....but then also justifying it.

Of course bigotry should not be allowed....but they have defined bigotry as any disagreement on a whole host of issues.

Yup. The fact that people are still refusing to admit that this has absolutely never been an issue on GAF just means that it will just continue and this place will continue to be a forum of black and white extremes, no grey area, no real discourse on issues that matter.

 

[CGwizz]

i like how some people exposed themselfs with this situation, Boogie and Shinobi for example, when neogaf served Shinobi as a source of leaks and gave him fame and attention dude loved it here, even when all he did around here was doing dmagae control and PR for ubisoft, Bioware and Bethesda. When people callled him ou on the damage control he did and the PR he did for mass effect turd released menths ago he left, now he is one of the new guys for the new site. Such a oportunistic shill jezz. The new forumm will be good for him to do the usual PR-
Boogie acted like a damn moron and a man child.

 

[googleplex]

Exactly.

People in this thread are so funny. On one hand trying to deny the fact of the echo chamber and ideological ban hammer....but then also justifying it.

Of course bigotry should not be allowed....but they have defined bigotry as any disagreement on a whole host of issues.

Sorry but this is bullshit. The problem is and always will be bigots trying and failing to put a "just a political opinion" spin on their bigotry. Those people caught a ban and rightfully so.

 

[Vagabundo]

I don't plan to leave the site like many have chosen to do. The things you've been accused of aren't OK, but I'd rather not whip out the torch and pitchfork until we get some more information.
We're all here for a common interest: Video Games. This site has it's issues, With the moderation being a large one, but in the end, we're here to discuss something we all love. I'll stay for now, because I enjoy games, and NeoGAF is a good place to discuss them, in spite of all that has took place.

You're not going to get more information. All the information is here in the thread. On the history and antics around the history.

 

[psychowave]

I am a man! Not an elephant!

Shit wrong film.

It's a book, you philistine.

Spoiler

 

[WhatNXt]

He straight up said we should try to meet someone who said that black people inherently commit more crimes than white people and that minorities dilute the gene pool in the middle. He straight up tried to downplay it severely by saying that Jontron was "trying on new hats." So yea no, Boogie getting vilified is absolutely justified.

Ever since GG and defending JonTron he has struck me as someone who at the very least has sympathies, for embattled people on social media, and for various embattled agendas. He seems like someone who doesn't want to take the flack that comes with taking a side, or choosing to play devils advocate to people voicing some arguably reprehensible things. I don't see the merit in that. If you're going to defend those things, you have to have the wherewithall to see those discussions through and defend *yourself* too.

I posted about the need to consider context for all these Evilore allegations earlier in the day, and the possibility that a lot of people who are celebrating here and in various internet cess-pits have probably engaged in shady behaviour themselves. Of course, for 99% of people that's not going to be true, but I do believe there are probably a lot of stones set flying from glass houses. I talked about how I knew OA to be back in the day for example. Some people engaged with me to let me know that I'm not in full possession of the facts, and that my understanding of events sugar coats things, and that's cool. I'm conscious that people might have seen what I was saying as actively defending Evilore - perhaps in the same way as Boogie and others defended JonTron but - beyond thinking he's human, and that he has made regrettable mistakes, I'm not defending Evilore. I don't think it's for any of us to defend anyone.

Y'know if Boogie likes JonTron, as many people did and still do, I can see why he'd prefer to see the best in him and stick up for him. But I think that's naive. If EL believed any of the behaviour in the allegations was ok, he wouldn't be distancing himself so much from them or seeking to explain them. Boogie went out of his way to continue associating with a movement, by name, that was attributed with harrassing and doxxing people. They SWAT'd people. The hashtag was rife with misogyny and hate. Even if you feel there's some justifiable 'cause' there, about ethics in videogame journalism or whatever, I like to think that any rational person would distance themselves as much as possible from groups that do that kind of shit. And he did, to an extent. I've seen the videos where he speaks out against bigotry and stuff. That's great. But I've never seen him admit that GG was hijacked by assholes, or admit that the movement was culpable for a great deal of emotional harm to some of its targets. Any acknowledgement feels like it's coming from a position of "but but but!" - and "let's just meet in the middle and be friends!". It's just kind of like "well not all of us are bad people". No shit!

It's like the "fine people" who marched alongside modern day neo-nazis in the streets of America. If I'm at a protest that I personally believe in and I find myself alongside swastika bearing nazis, you can bet your ass I'd get out of there and go do my protesting somewhere else. Same with the JonTron issue really. The moment he spread open that sphincter on his face, and started talking of correlations between ethnicity and propensity for criminal activity, that's where you step back and let the guy defend his own views. He doesn't need your help. Don't go on about wearing different hats, let the fuckstick defend what he said for himself! The other possibility is that Boogie felt the things he said were perfectly acceptable.

His gloating over this place going south might just be because he has so many haters here, and honestly - maybe he's a nice guy. A decent one. But that's not the vibe I get. He seems happy SJW GAF is burning. I have to admit, I don't watch him, but in the videos I have seen - I find myself uneasy. Like his fence sitting might be a bit of an act. Maybe I'm wrong. I'd have preferred not to have seen him banned for his association with the movement. I think it would have been more valuable to have people here who associated with it. Let the cleansing light of scrutiny shine upon them. Argue with them.

I try not to judge but it's hard. As somebody else said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Ultimately, I don't really want to see this ship go down with the captain. How we arrive at ensuring the ship stays afloat, I don't know. The iceberg may have been too big for the site this time.

 

[Chariot]

...you do realize the mod team dropped after he made a statement to the mods in internal communication, yes? And most of them saw how bullshit it was and rightfully dropped out of that mess.
Also trying to fault the mods for leaving, especially after great mods like Stumpokapow were doxxed and had to erase all their online presence, it's fucking gross.

Not to mention that Evilore just went off the road suddenly. There were always problems, for the users and the mods.

Back during the Tenumi incident I messaged a mod to complain about the ban and got this answer:

It was a powder keg for a long time.

 

[ev0b19]

I haven’t posted a whole lot on here since i got accepted over the summer, but i visit this place close to daily and really looked forward to all the interesting stuff that was put onto here. Is there anyway to get into reset era upon release or am i going to have to wait? And is it possible to get into the discord for it if possible?

 

[Anung]

It's a book, you philistine.

Spoiler

This

Spoiler

John

Hurt me

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

Man, I intended to stick around, but I just don't know. I'm really not sure things will ever get to anywhere near normal around here again with EviLore around, and the fact he has engaged in absolutely zero conversation with anyone here seems crazy to me. I understand not wanting to get into heated arguments that probably seem unwinnable, but to just make this thread and vanish again doesn't really look great. This isn't a situation where remaining silent is the winning move.

 

[Kacho]

Boogie acted like a damn moron and a man child.

How so? I don't follow that clown but I know he had an axe to grind.

 

[Chariot]

I haven’t posted a whole lot on here since i got accepted over the summer, but i visit this place close to daily and really looked forward to all the interesting stuff that was put onto here. Is there anyway to get into ******** upon release or am i going to have to wait? And is it possible to get into the discord for it if possible?

If you're not in the doscord you have to wait a bit. They're going in waves first since it's a lot of users.

 

[Anung]

Man, I intended to stick around, but I just don't know. I'm really not sure things will ever get to anywhere near normal around here again with EviLore around, and the fact he has engaged in absolutely zero conversation with anyone here seems crazy to me. I understand not wanting to get into heated arguments that probably seem unwinnable, but to just make this thread and vanish again doesn't really look great. This isn't a situation where remaining silent is the winning move.

In his defence I imagine there is a lot of legal stuff behind the scenes and being quiet is a part of that.

Still handled horrendously but that would certainly explain some of it.

 

[Meifu]

He said male feminists are more sexual harassers than moderates. Such civil discourse indeed. So civil.

You know. It may be hard for you to believe but this is actually in some small part true.

There are many sexually frustrated men for whatever reason, who demonize those who are more open with their sexuality. They label these men who are successful and openly sexual with women as harassers.

More often than not its the "nice guy" who dances around, buying stuff (dinners, flowers etc) and what not for a girl off the bat, expecting sex in return eventually, who are the real creeps and harassers. Every man wants it, but only some are open to rejection. Many more play the dumb games, and play the "nice guy" role, when in fact they are the manipulators and dishonest people. Theres a big difference between real feminism, and the bastardization of what that movement has become in many places, which is to put men who are openly sexual "in their place", because naturally male sexuality is more forward and aggressive. (Theres a big difference between this and sexual assault).

Its a very big issue, and there are many harassers out there. But there are SO many disgruntled and frustrated guys who label those who do just fine with girls as rapists, harassers etc out of pure jealously, consciously or subconsciously.

 

[Imp the Dimp]

Whatever fits your narrative.

Did you use SJW, cuck and virtue signalling too?

 

[Sordid]

This isn't happening.

I'm pretty certain that is not true. I do think there is a time limit on how many pm's can be sent out at a time.

From the TOS

C. By registering an account at NeoGAF.com and participating (including but not limited to submitting posts or private messages on NeoGAF.com), you hereby grant NeoGAF LLC and our licensees, distributors, agents, representatives and other authorized users, a perpetual, non-exclusive, irrevocable, fully-paid, royalty-free, sub-licensable and transferable (in whole or part) worldwide license under all copyrights, trademarks, patents, trade secrets, privacy and publicity rights and other intellectual property rights you own or control to use, reproduce, transmit, display, exhibit, distribute, index, comment on, modify, create derivative works based upon, perform and otherwise exploit the messages posted or private messages sent on NeoGAF.com, in whole or in part, in all media formats and channels now known or hereafter devised, for any and all purposes including entertainment, news, advertising, promotional, marketing, publicity, trade or commercial purposes, all without further notice to you, with or without attribution, and without the requirement of any permission from or payment to you or to any other person or entity.

If GAF can 'exploit' your pm's it's not outside the realms of possibility that people can read them.

Fwiw, I've sent 585 pm's during my time on GAF and have never had an issue sending links in messages or multiple messages within 10 minutes. These restrictions are new.

 

[ev0b19]

If you're not in the doscord you have to wait a bit. They're going in waves first since it's a lot of users.

Do i have to sign up or contact someone or something or is it just a waiting game?

 

[Chariot]

Do i have to sign up or contact someone or something or is it just a waiting game?

I think you need an invite and them get vetted. They want to minimize Gaters and other people full of vitrol for the new site getting in.

 

[Iorv3th]

From the TOS



If GAF can 'exploit' your pm's it's not outside the realms of possibility that people can read them.

Fwiw, I've sent 585 pm's during my time on GAF and have never had an issue sending links in messages or multiple messages within 10 minutes. These restrictions are new.

Yeah they can read your pm's. It's vb, i used to admin a different site that used them and you can check them for sure. There is also a feature (that is probably turned off here) to report pm's as well.

 

[Timan]

From the TOS



If GAF can 'exploit' your pm's it's not outside the realms of possibility that people can read them.

Fwiw, I've sent 585 pm's during my time on GAF and have never had an issue sending links in messages or multiple messages within 10 minutes. These restrictions are new.

Almost all forums says they can "technically" read your pm's... I mean you're agreeing to post information freely (not defending the ethics of it, again just stating how forums usually are). I'm just stating vBulletin (the forums) does not have that functionality built in.

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

In his defence I imagine there is a lot of legal stuff behind the scenes and being quiet is a part of that.

Still handled horrendously but that would certainly explain some of it.

Yeah, I figure this as well. But, he doesn't come across in a great light in his exchanges with Klepek, that message to the mods that leaked, or his message here. I certainly hope he has a good reason for being silent that will become clear later.

Like I said, I'm just not sure there is a future here with him around. I did a couple of days ago. I thought it'd probably take a couple of months. But, now, seeing how much this place is seriously crumbling with so many long time users jumping ship. I don't know that there's any coming back now. We'll see, I guess. I'm not gonna account suicide or anything.

 

[SuperDowns]

No not yet, the wait is killing me :/

Can’t wait.

 

[Anung]

Yeah, I figure this as well. But, he doesn't come across in a great light in his exchanges with Klepek, that message to the mods that leaked, or his message here. I certainly hope he has a good reason for being silent that will become clear later.

Like I said, I'm just not sure there is a future here with him around. I did a couple of days ago. I thought it'd probably take a couple of months. But, now, seeing how much this place is seriously crumbling with so many long time users jumping ship. I don't know that there's any coming back now. We'll see, I guess. I'm not gonna account suicide or anything.

Oh certainly and I can't say I disagree with anything you said.

 

[Clockwork]

Did you use SJW, cuck and virtue signalling too?

No, no, and yes.

 

[Gaz_RB]

As a lurker of many years

Lol

 

[GarthVaderUK]

1 PM every 10 mins seems a bit overboard, makes it difficult to have a PM conversation to the point where most probably wouldn't bother.

 

[Shadio]

His gloating over this place going south might just be because he has so many haters here, and honestly - maybe he's a nice guy. A decent one. But that's not the vibe I get. He seems happy SJW GAF is burning. I have to admit, I don't watch him, but in the videos I have seen - I find myself uneasy. Like his fence sitting might be a bit of an act. Maybe I'm wrong. I'd have preferred not to have seen him banned for his association with the movement. I think it would have been more valuable to have people here who associated with it having the cleansing light of scrutiny shone upon them. To have them argued with.

He made a video a few days ago explaining his stance as a fence-sitter. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post it here considering he's a banned member, but he explains his reasoning for it and it might help you understand where he's coming from.

One thing he said was that not standing with a side on an issue usually attracts all the hate from both sides rather than appeasing them, which some people might think would be his intentions. That certainly does seem to be accurate from what I've seen, so I don't think there'd be any benefit in it being an act.

 

[ev0b19]

I think you need an invite and them get vetted. They want to minimize Gaters and other people full of vitrol for the new site getting in.

Yeah, i can fully see that just by looking at what’s going on here at neogaf atm, it’s a complete mess. I’m guessing you made it in? I was just wondering is all. I’ll have to just keep my eye out for when they post about it.

 

[MUnited83]

You know. It may be hard for you to believe but this is actually in some small part true.

There are many sexually frustrated men for whatever reason, who demonize those who are more open with their sexuality. They label these men who are successful and openly sexual with women as harassers.

More often than not its the "nice guy" who dances around, buying stuff (dinners, flowers etc) and what not for a girl off the bat, expecting sex in return eventually, who are the real creeps and harassers. Every man wants it, but only some are open to rejection. Many more play the dumb games, and play the "nice guy" role, when in fact they are the manipulators and dishonest people. Theres a big difference between real feminism, and the bastardization of what that movement has become in many places, which is to put men who are openly sexual "in their place", because naturally male sexuality is more forward and aggressive. (Theres a big difference between this and sexual assault).

Its a very big issue, and there are many harassers out there. But there are SO many disgruntled and frustrated guys who label those who do just fine with girls as rapists, harassers etc out of pure jealously, consciously or subconsciously.

I have yet to see a single one of the stereotypical "nice guys" defining themselves as feminists. In fact, it seems to be the exact opposite most of the time.

 

[WhatNXt]

One thing he said was that not standing with a side on an issue usually attracts all the hate from both sides rather than appeasing them, which some people might think would be his intentions. That certainly does seem to be accurate from what I've seen, so I don't think there'd be any benefit in it being an act.

I hadn't thought of that actually. I'll have to watch that video then because imagining all the grief he gets, I can't imagine it's worth it.

 

[Nabbis]

He made a video a few days ago explaining his stance as a fence-sitter. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post it here considering he's a banned member, but he explains his reasoning for it and it might help you understand where he's coming from.

One thing he said was that not standing with a side on an issue usually attracts all the hate from both sides rather than appeasing them, which some people might think would be his intentions. That certainly does seem to be accurate from what I've seen, so I don't think there'd be any benefit in it being an act.

Oh cmon, like the people who crucified him here give a shit. Regardless how you feel about it, it's a dead horse and no one is changing opinions.