the sad thing is that corbyn's actual policies--not the histrionic 'marxist' brush he's been painted with--are actually broadly sensible.
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the sad thing is that corbyn's actual policies--not the histrionic 'marxist' brush he's been painted with--are actually broadly sensible.
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Deluded, out of touch, nasty sack of shit.
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i.e we'll lobby the UK Government and Europe for a deal which maintains the EU passporting and if we don't get it we'll be in France or Germany quicker than you can say Guten Tag
so it basically is just a, 'i would end discrimination by letting white people apply to scholarships set aside for black students' kind of deal
ferrasvansen
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They also like winning elections, which with those type of policies is unlikely to happen. So I think May will win easy in the end.
SymbiantXenos
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Leadsom wanting equality in civil partnerships. How about equality in Marriage?
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i for one can't wait for the PLP to say that they need to demonstrate that they're a safe pair of hands for society by announcing their support for stripping marriage rights from LGBT people
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Did she really pull that gay marriage shit out THIS MORNING?
More Fun To Compute
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For the longest time they made it obvious that they don't care about winning elections, leader after leader.
If you read between the lines that is pretty much what they mean lol.
No they don't. Actually the opposite - if they wanted to win elections, Clarke would have won in 1997 and 2001. IDS in particular was a choice of heart over mind.
It's the MPs who focuss on electability and winning over anything else. It's why the Tories are so fast to decapitate leaders. The base is as crotchety and fanatical as every other party.
Huw_Dawson
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This is the Tory Party that was locked in a box by the Coalition for 5 years, folks.
Tonight's Question Time looks like a lot of fun. No UKIP, but both wings of the Labour Party are being represented by Lord Falconer and George Galloway
okay Galloway's still in Respect but give it a few more weeks
Sal Brinton's on for the Lib Dems, too, so even I'm catered for.
TBH it's looking like Brexit has been sidelined until the Tory leadership election is over - which is a good thing in my book. The more bleak the economic outlook, the more likely the new PM's hand will be forced to block Brexit.
Parity with the Euro should hit home hard enough for most Brexiteers to start to see sense.
She has been on about it from the start tbf, so not much change.
I think the important thing to remember here, is that this fine class of politicians, aka the ones that jeopardized the country future for personal political gain, and keep backstabbing each other, and can't seem to come together at massively important times, and have lets say antiquated views, and a severe lack of economic experience, are the politicians that are replacing the corrupt undemocratic EU, and taking the UK back to deliver its people to the bright future of economic and political prosperity that is their god given right.
a rigorous respect for reality was low on the agenda while Leave was campaigning, why do you expect it to materialise now?
Not the coalition. We actually have to thank Osborne and Camerson for this - it was the heart of their modernization project.
ferrasvansen
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I was thinking more recently with Cameron and Co. But your probably right in that case Leadsom will win for sure.
Twitter lefties and Lobby hacks are trawling through Andrea Leadsom’s old blog written back before she was an MP. Expect to see her musings taken out of context and spun for the worst possible headline. Guido has had a look himself – she comes over as well-meaning but a little old school. In one blogpost she expresses her discomfort at gay adoption:
“There’s a truly unbelievable story in the paper today, that a young brother and sister… have been turned down for adoption by their own grandparents… If that weren’t enough, the siblings are now to be adopted by two complete strangers against the wishes of the grandparents… And as if that weren’t enough, the two strangers are a gay couple, who have been selected ahead of several heterosexual couples.”
In another post Leadsom rails against political correctness, writing:
“I’m sick and tired of political correctness… I don’t want my daughter to be taught by a woman with a veil covering her face. What’s wrong with wanting to communicate face to face?”
In this well-intentioned article condemning racism, she uses the old-fashioned phrase “coloured people”.
“During my campaign, I had come across a small number of (mostly) young men, who had strongly racist views. They told me they would only vote for a party that was willing to get rid of black and coloured people from this country. What struck me as strange is that they weren’t bothered about the thousands of white Europeans arriving from Central and Eastern Europe”
http://order-order.com/2016/07/05/leadsoms-old-blog-a-little-old-school/
So Leadsom scares me more then May now.
“There’s a truly unbelievable story in the paper today, that a young brother and sister… have been turned down for adoption by their own grandparents… If that weren’t enough, the siblings are now to be adopted by two complete strangers against the wishes of the grandparents… And as if that weren’t enough, the two strangers are a gay couple, who have been selected ahead of several heterosexual couples.”
In another post Leadsom rails against political correctness, writing:
“I’m sick and tired of political correctness… I don’t want my daughter to be taught by a woman with a veil covering her face. What’s wrong with wanting to communicate face to face?”
In this well-intentioned article condemning racism, she uses the old-fashioned phrase “coloured people”.
“During my campaign, I had come across a small number of (mostly) young men, who had strongly racist views. They told me they would only vote for a party that was willing to get rid of black and coloured people from this country. What struck me as strange is that they weren’t bothered about the thousands of white Europeans arriving from Central and Eastern Europe”
http://order-order.com/2016/07/05/leadsoms-old-blog-a-little-old-school/
So Leadsom scares me more then May now.
accel
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Regarding negotiations for EEA, the reason I think this might not take much time is that the UK is already subject to the rules, we are talking about making adjustments caused by exiting the EU and perhaps there aren't that many to make. That's vastly different from making a trade deal with China or the US.
In fact, the UK is already a contracting party to the EEA agreement through the EU, and it is unclear from the agreement whether the UK will automatically cease to become such a party after it exits the EU, the agreement does not specifically exclude continued membership. The EFTA secretariat was asked to clarify on the matter and apparently they said that there is no definitive answer either, it's up in the air. So, getting to EEA might be easier than we think.
Added: "negotiations for EEA" is perhaps a misnomer, it is just "resolving exit questions assuming the UK continues to be subject to rules of EEA" vs "resolving exit questions assuming the UK won't be subject to rules of EEA", I think the first option might actually be less work for negotiators, not more.
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I thought it was just something she'd been quoted as saying in like 2013 (not that that makes it any better, but I assumed she'd at least be keeping quiet about it)
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I love this extension.
She was asked about abstaining (ticking both boxes) in the gay marraige vote the day she said she would run to become new Tory leader. She started spewing the religious homophobic shit then, but in the typical politician way.
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Oh Jesus Christ, May's just as bad.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...b0d293fdad5da0#block-577e43c2e4b0d293fdad5da0
"Picking up on Leadsoms declaration in her speech that she would let EU nationals who are in the UK legally remain after Brexit (see 9.49am), a spokesman for the May campaign said:
"Andrea Leadsoms commitment to give permanent residence to foreign criminals is concerning and is exactly the kind of misjudgment that her inexperience can cause. Thats why we need strong, proven leadership something only Theresa can offer."
here we fucking go
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...b0d293fdad5da0#block-577e43c2e4b0d293fdad5da0
"Picking up on Leadsoms declaration in her speech that she would let EU nationals who are in the UK legally remain after Brexit (see 9.49am), a spokesman for the May campaign said:
"Andrea Leadsoms commitment to give permanent residence to foreign criminals is concerning and is exactly the kind of misjudgment that her inexperience can cause. Thats why we need strong, proven leadership something only Theresa can offer."
here we fucking go
anonymous_abc
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Trying to out-nasty each other. This can only end well...
I look forward to Galloway disingenuously claiming he was expelled from the Labour party for "opposing the Iraq war".
FlammableD
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Who's better at kicking foreign people out? STAY TUNED TO FIND OUT
Poor Senor Benjamin out of a job thanks to May.
He's already demanding to be let back in
Yeah England getting passporting is not going happen.
Oh, ffs. Trying to uptrump Trump, I see. With statements like this I think there is enough basis for invoking article 7 if May is PM. So much for European values.
Napoleonthechimp
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They're self-serving so of course that's what they mean. But I still can't see it being France.
Considering the special stature of the UK, doubt it would be that simple, but more importantly the vast majority of those 2 years are almost certainly going to be spent resolving the issues of the UK leaving, adding to that unless I'm mistaken EEA access requires an unanimous vote, which is not easy when you have parties that will certainly be interested in having the UK linger in WTO for a while, this ofc even assuming the EU as a whole is not interested in having the UK enter WTO for a while, and it also assumes they also have no interest in negotiating a deal that is worse than what Norway has, which I believe is not the case at all.
We can also safely assume that the UK will try and negotiate a few things for themselves, instead of just taking what ever the EU gives them, which ofc will add more time.
There is also the issue of Scotland, which may very well leave the UK after the UK leaves the EU, which is a new thing for the EU, in fact the entire article 50 process is completely new for the EU, so one can very easily expect delays resulting from that.
Article 7?, is that where the UK goes directly to hell.
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Article 7 allows the EU to suspend the voting rights of and impose sanctions on member states it judges as having breached certain fundamental principles - normally democratic norms or human rights. It de facto turns a member into a non-member, at least temporarily.
The one thing you should know about her is that she should not become PM.
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Agreed. So far it seems Leadsom will just ruin everything fast.
I was right in a way then.
May, as questionable as some of her views are, at least seems competent and not totally crazy. Gove is there because #yolo but Leadsom is dangerous.
Do not pass go. Do not collect £350m.
accel
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Some limited positiveness regarding the (probably not very near) future:
Chinese and British officials flirt with possibility of an early post-Brexit trade deal
Chinese and British officials flirt with possibility of an early post-Brexit trade deal
Sounds like it's purely due to frustrations with the EU, so if they played ball with them more, we'd be dropped in a heartbeat. Hopefully they don't! Or maybe we go to the negotiation table and find out just why the EU haven't made China a priority.
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yeah, I'm inclined to agree. The EU already has a great bargaining position, it doesn't need to use Article 7 and that would just reflect badly on them. The stop, stop, he's already dead .gif comes to mind.
I think Johnson is your Cruz, because, much like Cruz, he pretends to be much more crazy than he really is.
Farage is basically your David Duke. Maybe the British equivalent of Santorum, with some issues swapped around.
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