I was hyperbolic a bit. I agree, it won't happen.
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I was hyperbolic a bit. I agree, it won't happen.
accel
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Frustrations with the EU were the reasons for the UK to exit (OK, for me). They are long-term, the EU can't really play ball, so we are safe on that particular front.
Bleugh. I'd rather have the shoe!
Geminosity
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Maybe China were planning on selling us some of the organs they killed 1.5 million people in their hospitals for?
Or what?
"“And to the opportunities in the East, where for centuries British merchants have traded with China for tea, white gold and porcelain as well as with Japan, South Korea and other Asian nations,” said Lord Price." Lord price forgot all that opium they traded XD.
Anyway any deal with china is going to take quite a long time http://shanghaiist.com/2016/06/24/china_brexit_response.php especially considering that right now it's going to be all hands on deck to deal with the EU, also considering the massive negotiating power difference between china and the UK, I have my doubts a mutually beneficial (in the long term) deal would come from it.
can we not protest to push for a general election? I can't see any of these candidates being worth having as unelected PM. They're almost all worse than Cameron.
We're so fucked. The tories will be sitting smugly in their cosy leather armchairs in front of a roaring fire - that fire being the entire country burning down around them. But they'll be happy
We're so fucked. The tories will be sitting smugly in their cosy leather armchairs in front of a roaring fire - that fire being the entire country burning down around them. But they'll be happy
or.... GOD!
I think there will be an election soon no matter what. Even if people are ruling it out now I think it's very possible they aren't being totally honest. No benefit in showing your hand and letting the other parties know when you plan to call an election.
At the end of the day the Tories have a pretty slim majority and the party is still v. divided on the EU. Seems difficult for them to crawl one when they'll be facing frequent rebellions. It's also an easy attack by the opposition that the PM has no mandate and is too scared to face the country etc. Also Labour is a trainwreck right now so I can see them trying to strike while the iron is hot.
accel
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Perhaps you meant to say that the deal would likely benefit China more than the UK. That's not a given, negotiation power difference nonwithstanding, because there's no pressure to sign -- but possible. It would be mutually beneficial in either case, because if it isn't, the UK just won't sign it. So, if there is any deal, it would be an improvement upon what the UK has now. But I agree it'll take years even with everything going right.
Maybe China were planning on selling us some of the organs they killed 1.5 million people in their hospitals for?
Given our new awesome trading position of 'an island nation with no major natural resources but a nice accent' I think it's more likely that we'll become the chief source of China's replacement organs.
All a GE is going to get you is either a bigger Tory majority or more UKIP.
A large proportion of the shires and Wales. Traditional labour heartland. Voted to leave. To have any chance Labour would have to run with the promise of ignoring those voters. That and them being too shambolic to even run a campaign at the moment.
A large proportion of the shires and Wales. Traditional labour heartland. Voted to leave. To have any chance Labour would have to run with the promise of ignoring those voters. That and them being too shambolic to even run a campaign at the moment.
The key point there was the long term, it is not particularly hard to imagine that a UK which is almost certainly going to be suffering some economical problems for the first few years, would take a deal that would ease short term problems, even if it meant long term damage, something which honestly should be quite obvious considering the current political climate in the UK, you had someone like Boris Johnson clearly defending a campaign he didn't believe in, just for political gain.
Latest declared votes:
May 171, Leadsom 48, Gove 27.
http://www.conservativehome.com/par...mps-supporting-each-leadership-candidate.html
Edit: Damn they must be well behind.
May 171, Leadsom 48, Gove 27.
http://www.conservativehome.com/par...mps-supporting-each-leadership-candidate.html
Edit: Damn they must be well behind.
I am disappointed that Michael Gove is out of the leadership race.
Can anyone imagine thinking that 2 weeks ago?
I miss David Cameron.
That too.
Considering Gove likened the N.Ireland peace process to Nazi appeasement, then not really, I'm glad he's not in contention.
Not happy with May or Leadsom either in fairness.
call_kotaku
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Maybe China were planning on selling us some of the organs they killed 1.5 million people in their hospitals for?
The comments seem sort of weird considering how the Opium wars and Elizabethan-era trade are seen in China, and how much bitterness there still is towards the West for colonialism.
If anything, now that the UK is isolated from the rest of Europe, I'd expect China to finally get back at Great Britain for all the economic bullying it endured a couple of centuries ago. I can't imagine China would go for a deal that's fair and favorable to the UK, especially considering how attractive the narrative of "giving it to the foreigners" would be politically in China.
King Gilga
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I wish London separating from the rest of the UK was actually not an impossible dream.
Tories fail to learn from their own past. The knife wielded never gets the crown. The only time in recent history that happened is with Thatcher when she challenged Heath in the 70s.
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Good point. A while ago I read that the core idea behind China's national identity is this sense that they've been humiliated throughout history by other nations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_of_humiliation
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Not true - Keith Joseph was the one who made Heath's position untenable; Thatcher was just the protege. I guess the analogy here is that Keith Joseph is Boris Johnson and Margaret Thatcher is Andrea Leadsom.
JonathanEx
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On the one hand, Leadsom doing well because of members would be hilarious because it'd be similar to Labour with Corbyn.
On the other she'd be prime minister oh JESUS CHRIST NO NO NO.
Isn't it great that we've created a political system where members choosing their representative emphasises the extremes, because those with the strongest views are the loudest about them? Fun fun fun.
On the other she'd be prime minister oh JESUS CHRIST NO NO NO.
Isn't it great that we've created a political system where members choosing their representative emphasises the extremes, because those with the strongest views are the loudest about them? Fun fun fun.
CyclopsRock
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They can't even count to a hundred.
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Prime Minister Leadsom is going to happen, isn't it.
accel
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I'd take courses (in person) and watch / read (aloud whenever possible) news in the free time.
Depends what kind of learner you are. Best way is learn the basics and then immerse yourself in the target country.
its an uphill struggle, but you need to explain to those voters why voting leave is a mistake and will not actually deliver what they think it will - i.e more control, more jobs, more security. Precisely the opposite.
This just seems like the worlds worst thought through protest vote.
iz.podpolja
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That is very true, although Thatcher was a real piece of work. That said, it does amaze me as someone who studied classical studies in secondary school (classics basically in Ireland) that the Tories never seem to take heed from history, whether recent or ancient. Why is that? Arrogance? Foolishness? Blind optimism? I'd be curious to know why.
They can, they are just confused on how much a hundred is.
shinra-bansho
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May Leadsom off a cliff.
Please update title to this.
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Or Go over like a Leadsom Balloon
Psychotext
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It really is like picking the antichrist.
accel
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I can imagine Nicola Sturgeon's first initiative (Scotland referendum). And second as well (thanks, folks, with Scotland leaving I am not fit for this position, I am sure you all understand).
CyclopsRock
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Guys.
guys, guys guys.
Just go to the pub.
It'll all be fine.
Go whilst you're at work. Then go back again in the afternoon. And evening.
You'll be amazed how much better you'll feel.
guys, guys guys.
Just go to the pub.
It'll all be fine.
Go whilst you're at work. Then go back again in the afternoon. And evening.
You'll be amazed how much better you'll feel.
Really?
Well guys its in the hands of the tory party membership now....
.......fuck
this is my plan
.......fuck
this is my plan
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