Gove wouldn't win. Leadsom might, and looks the most likely to do lasting damage.
May is a nightmare and the best option we've got.
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May is a nightmare and the best option we've got.
Geminosity
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Soylent Green is made out of British!
There's no such thing as an innocent country, but I agree that I can see China still harbouring some grudges from the past. Ironically I only just started watching some stuff on the opium wars just this week XD
That's better!
At least it brings NI in line with part of the UK.
Ville Pukema
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Soylent Green is made out of British!
There's no such thing as an innocent country, but I agree that I can see China still harbouring some grudges from the past. Ironically I only just started watching some stuff on the opium wars just this week XD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgQahGsYokU
Enjoyed this quite a bit, got to find "real" documentaries about the whole opium war next.
But.... we are moving with the times with having a lady in charge!
Geminosity
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Haha yup, that's the very thing i've been watching. I do rather enjoy extra history :3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgQahGsYokU
Enjoyed this quite a bit, got to find "real" documentaries about the whole opium war next.
i'm up for that, lets put it all on the line no half measures
So what happens when both candidates are "unelectable"?
ferrasvansen
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AHA-Lambda
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I can't tell who I hate more May or Leadsom
May is practically Big Brother personified but at least she has a stern competence about her and she was Remain
And Leadsom is just seemingly on another planet. Idk much about her but I hated how she came across on the tv debate with Boris. Comically and infuriatingly peddling "take back control" with every point.
Oh fuck Sturgeon save us
May is practically Big Brother personified but at least she has a stern competence about her and she was Remain
And Leadsom is just seemingly on another planet. Idk much about her but I hated how she came across on the tv debate with Boris. Comically and infuriatingly peddling "take back control" with every point.
Oh fuck Sturgeon save us
JonathanEx
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True, but you have to remember, the members of parties tend to be crazy.
ferrasvansen
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Whoever wins will go down badly up here in Scotland, should move a few percent more toward independence. The Fox hunting and Gay hostility will not exactly appeal to the Scottish people with the exception of a very small minority of nutters. If Leadsom wins I expect a heavy swing toward independence as she clearly is a complete fruitcake.
It's:
May:
Racist
Hates privacy
Hates human rights.
Leadsom:
Racist
Homophobe
Crazy religious
Liar
Thinks Brexit will put the great back into Great Britain.
Wants Fox hunting to be legal.
All the polling is massively in favour of May though.
Prime Minister Leadsom is going to happen, isn't it.
It's written in her name. You can't stand against the destiny.
Leadsom, Losesom.
None.
Nothing, except now you have to pay for the privilege of being in the common market with much less of a voice in Europe now.
JonathanEx
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This is what I'm holding to.
But these days I'm just preparing for any apocalypse situation and don't trust any vote involving people.
Geminosity
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Oh, does being in the EEA mean you still can't make your own FTAs with other countries? I figured that was only a limitation to those actually in the EU
edit: Not that we have an actual functioning number of negotiators we could make FTAs with, but I'm thinking of this from the point of view of a fantasy world where we'd been given a choice the government had actually prepared for both outcomes of, instead of folding like a poorly made house of cards when the referendum went for the option they didn't plan for.
You get to say you took your country back.
Slightly off-topic but I assume many people are in my situation in this threat.
I have a dual Swiss / French nationality and I have been living in London (first studying, now working) since 2009. My wife is British and as we are planning to stay in the UK for a while (we bought a flat 2 years ago and have good careers), I am going to apply for British naturalisation.
However, the requirements are very confusing and different documents appear to contradict each other. For instance, as my wife is British, I only need to have lived in the UK for three years before I can apply (https://www.gov.uk/becoming-a-british-citizen/if-your-spouse-is-a-british-citizen). However, it also states that I need to have been granted "indefinite leave to stay", which apparently is only granted to EEA immigrants after five years. So which is it, three or five years?
This is important as I need to provide proof of heal insurance during my stay. If the stay requirement is three years, this is not an issue as I have been working for that long (and thus paid national insurance). But if it is five years, I will need to get some kind of letter from my Swiss insurance which I know will be a huge pain in the ass.
Anyone been through this before?
I have a dual Swiss / French nationality and I have been living in London (first studying, now working) since 2009. My wife is British and as we are planning to stay in the UK for a while (we bought a flat 2 years ago and have good careers), I am going to apply for British naturalisation.
However, the requirements are very confusing and different documents appear to contradict each other. For instance, as my wife is British, I only need to have lived in the UK for three years before I can apply (https://www.gov.uk/becoming-a-british-citizen/if-your-spouse-is-a-british-citizen). However, it also states that I need to have been granted "indefinite leave to stay", which apparently is only granted to EEA immigrants after five years. So which is it, three or five years?
This is important as I need to provide proof of heal insurance during my stay. If the stay requirement is three years, this is not an issue as I have been working for that long (and thus paid national insurance). But if it is five years, I will need to get some kind of letter from my Swiss insurance which I know will be a huge pain in the ass.
Anyone been through this before?
Billy_Pilgrim
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What people seem to be forgetting about May is that she has survived an astonishing number of sackable fuckups purely because Cameron was unwaveringly loyal to his big beasts.
Immigration, Border Control, Passports, riots. All of this is going to be thrown at May by the bucketful.
Immigration, Border Control, Passports, riots. All of this is going to be thrown at May by the bucketful.
Who?
Will be the general response to the mention of his name come election... as it is now.
bring back nick clegg
Huw_Dawson
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Same as Clegg in 2010.
There was a chap I was talking to earlier who said that Farron would come across as a likeable and earnest lightweight in a TV debate. I responded that I think likeable and earnest are what Britain needs right now.
NO D:
No more Orange Book Liberals for the time being. We've had our fill. They can come back once we've recovered from our-MPs-can-fit-in-a-minivan land.
"....and my first act as Prime Minister May will be to replace the fluorine in the water supply with high quality opiates to help prepare the country for what's coming."
Huw_Dawson
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No, Scotland has to be liberated from being a puppet before it can get a Causus Belli on invading England.
JonnyDBrit
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Well technically that was how the Union was founded. Scottish monarch inherited the English throne. So... there's precedent, I guess?
accel
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It's useful as an intermediate step towards exiting. The benefits are that the UK can stay there while it prepares to exit further (it takes a long time to untangle the products of being in EU for so long).
China's first demand would be a British isle to a establish a Chinese trading mission in. We can call it new Hong Kong.
A glorious revolution where Queen Nicola is awarded the English crown by a grateful England!
What a time to be alive
accel
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Oh, does being in the EEA mean you still can't make your own FTAs with other countries? I figured that was only a limitation to those actually in the EU
edit: Not that we have an actual functioning number of negotiators we could make FTAs with, but I'm thinking of this from the point of view of a fantasy world where we'd been given a choice the government had actually prepared for both outcomes of, instead of folding like a poorly made house of cards when the referendum went for the option they didn't plan for.
If you are in EFTA (commonly paired with EEA, because EEA agreement is between EU and non-EU members of EFTA), you negotiate FTAs with other countries through that, but you have your own trading policy. Norway, for example, has a preferential tariff agreement with the US, a good deal on fish trade (important to Norway) with China, etc.
What? No. You don't end up in the EEA as a stepping stone to what, further irrelevance. You end up in the EEA because you want the benefits of EU membership but can't convince the electorate.
Exit further... Bloody hell man what are you talking about.
accel
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You voted Remain, I gather. Others voted Leave.
Well I'm under forty and have a degree in Economics. What do you think?
Well I'm under forty and have a degree in Economics. What do you think?
like logic has any part to play in this fuckwittery
Camp Freddie
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Damn straight.
The thing is, we might have been able to get straight into the EEA if we came out and said "we want to switch to the deal that Norway have, appropriately scaled to the size of our economy".*
We have no chance at all when we say, "We want EEA access to the market, and our banking passport, and no free movement, and we don't want to be forced into adopting laws made by the EU or have any laws enforced by foreign ECJ/EFTA Courts. And all that in 2 years pls."
*Norway would probably veto this though, since they are the biggest fish in the EEA/EFTA system and probably don't want a huge economy/population like ours to come in and take over.
accel
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Well I'm under forty and have a degree in Economics. What do you think?
If the implication is that people who know economics (and aren't so old that they are out of their mind) have to vote Remain, my response is "OK".
UcchedavÄda
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Probably not "have to", but rather "are more likely to":
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/28/economists-reject-brexit-boost-cameron
You've no doubt already seen the polls that survey by age.
Geminosity
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I've seen those, but I've also seen the polls that said the younger you were the less likely you were to have even turned up at the polling station, nevermind vote one way or the otherUcchedavāda;209392566 said:
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