He was a pretty good justice secretary by all accounts. My sister is a teacher and despises him, heh. BBC reporting he's been sacked.
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He was a pretty good justice secretary by all accounts. My sister is a teacher and despises him, heh. BBC reporting he's been sacked.
Dorsal Axe
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BBC reporting that Michael Gove has been sacked.
I'll tell any Leaver who complains that they finally got their Britain back and then proceed to laugh at their stupidity.
This country is dead to me.
Psychotext
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Hilarious really, those are jobs the area badly needs (though in fairness, the plan has never really looked that realistic).
Funnily enough, I was cycling around the valleys last weekend and lost count of the number of blue signs showing EU investment. I'm guessing maybe the locals are colour blind and they just fade into the background.
I wonder if the workers handling the heads of the valleys road upgrade voted out.
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Makes sense for May to sack the only one of the Leavers who appeared to be showing any competence in government.
I wonder if that means Grayling is back in there?
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StrawberryJam
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You're not wrong. Spoke to many a person who voted no in the last indy ref who have changed to yes and are not SNP voters, myself included.
AHA-Lambda
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I was a strong No voter last time but holy fuck we can't get independence soon enough
Shocking news, the British public are deluded.
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StrawberryJam
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Yep. I'm actually becoming impatient for it.
That's because Grayling was possibly the worst minister in living memory. No joke, he was honestly *that* bad. Everything he touched turned to shit, and he honestly didn't seem to understand anything about his area or even care to learn.
Gove looked good simply because he wasn't Grayling, and because he started to unpick what grayling had done.
The fact that grayling is almost certainly coming back is so terrifying. Whichever department gets him is fucked.
PJV3
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He's a liar and a cheat, we should have higher standards. His posh Norman Wisdom routine is neither here nor there.
I know, I dislike him intensely, but there seems to be a view that he's an idiot - but he's actually amazingly intelligent.
He is smart, but he's also at the same time a racist idiot. His previous comments and behaviour make him totally unsuitable for the foreign secretary role, and regardless of how clever a move it is internally to manage Tory party politics, it looks bad for the country.
I mean, she has completely gutted the foreign office to try and minimise his impact. Brexit is handled by David and foreign trade by Fox - that leaves the foreign office weaker than it ever has been. The two biggest foreign policy challenges for the next decade don't sit with Johnson, so what exactly is he going to be doing other than looking stupid next to Putin?
Psychotext
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Plus the rest of the world has next to no respect for him, which automatically puts us on the back foot when it comes to international relations.
Yeah, the more and more of this shit I see, the more I think it's for the greater good if this country gets torn down a fair bit. In the long, long run (after we're all dead) I think British people will have a better outlook on life and let go of our colonialist roots.
The most common complaint I hear about British people is that we live in the past. We constantly expect our history to carry us and bring an air of superiority whenever we sit down with outsiders, which sours relationships and credibility. Our version of exceptionalism is much more dangerous because it's subtle and not based on a desire work hard to be the best or biggest - we assume we already are. We need a wake up call.
No, she sacked Gove. Michael Gove. Who has a long track record of not showing any competence in government.
The wake up call, whenever that happens, is going to be amazing. Though I suppose the British public will just blame the EU for not giving them a fair deal or something, further fanning their irrational thinking.
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As I said, everything bad from now on will be blamed on Brexit.
Shit business decision ends with staff reductions? Brexit.
Competitors outplay you? Brexit.
Privatisations? Brexit.
Austerity? Brexit.
Which will work well in the minds of a good part of the public, given that so many people still believe that the EU owes the UK a good deal because of reasons.
FlammableD
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Oh that sounds like a great fucking idea...
AHA-Lambda
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As an environmental studies student that's fucking terrifying
Then again so is the fact that most legislation I've studied is EU based >_>
There is no wake up call. We were ""Great"" before the EU, and (even if we are) ruined after it, the narrative writes itself.
GamerMax73
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Wait, What? Gove? Competent in government? You are kidding me, right? Jeez, dare you to enter any School staffroom and say that...
Doubt it will change, blame will always fall on others, just watch. The EU will still get the flak. Hell, the EU wanted to help the steel industry but the UK vetoed it because they buddied up to the Chinese.
GamerMax73
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Hey, I'm claiming my Nan's Scottish heritage and planning a northern invasion...I'll vote indy with the rest of my countrymen
PJV3
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I think they mean allowing books for prisoners, but doing nothing about overcrowding. Which just lead to a sort of unofficial industrial action.
That kind of success.
Kill Your Masters
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So 52% of brits suffer from superiority complex.
Or it will be blamed on the big, bad EU spitefully denying the UK a fair deal to crack the whip at any other dissenting parties and keep them in line like the fascist dictators they are...
ah Cool, where are you studying? (if you don't mind me asking, I just finished my Masters in Global Environmental Change)
The main reason I voted remain is because I don't trust the current government with the environment. The conservatives are masters of pretending they care about Climate Change and doing the exact opposite.
As much as Gove was terrible in Education he was genuinely excellent in Justice.
Granted, mostly by being smart enough to row back nearly every single cack handed idea Chris Grayling had tried to implement, but still.
AHA-Lambda
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Glasgow Caledonian, I'm due to graduate in 2 months time
and completely agreed to the bolded
A lot to catch up on:
- Boris Johnson is intelligent but he has a tendency towards racist comments and making the nation a laughing stock that I would argue makes him unsuitable for the post. I know ostensibly he "won" the referendum but let's be real.
- I think the England flag has unfortunate implications too and would never fly one, though I don't think I'd ever fly any flag.
- My German's coming along really well. Hast du ein Kondom?
- Boris Johnson is intelligent but he has a tendency towards racist comments and making the nation a laughing stock that I would argue makes him unsuitable for the post. I know ostensibly he "won" the referendum but let's be real.
- I think the England flag has unfortunate implications too and would never fly one, though I don't think I'd ever fly any flag.
- My German's coming along really well. Hast du ein Kondom?
I wouldn't say excellent. He didn't address any of the fundamental issues faced by the MoJ - prison over crowding, the complete breakdown of the courts system etc. He just rowed back the worse excesses of graylings incompetence.
Im expecting the Coal plants to be fired up again and emission controls lifted especially if Hinkley Point doesnt go ahead (which it probably wont...)
With the current middle-aged and older generations, absolutely. But no matter which way the vote swung, their opinion wouldn't change - their mind has been irrecoverably damaged by decades of tabloid agendas, a false understanding of "the good old times", and witnessing industries/jobs disappear for reasons they don't fully understand.
But for the younger ones, while bitter, hopefully they can usher in new generations without the hubris and be better for it.
I attended a conference last week and one of the speakers was a researcher/anthropologist/trends analyst with a background in education. One takeaway she was happy to share was that for as much shit we give today's youth, we're actually raising a much more worldly and considerate generation that ever seen before - mostly thanks to the internet and social media. She called them "citizens of the world", and they're more willing to look at the bigger picture when decision making, and with a far lower priority on nationalism. It was a really hopeful and inspiring outlook.
Dorsal Axe
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Oliver Letwin and Jeremy Hunt are both out. *throws confetti*
AHA-Lambda
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Is Cunt still in?
EDIT: well there you go
EDIT: well there you go
...Wait until we see who replaces them. I don't think they can do any worse in Hunts case at least, but they did bring back Liam Fox.
PJV3
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It's nice to see more bitter sacked politicians in the Tory backbenches.
Unlike Cameron she values work over old school ties and sentimental loyalty.
nelsonroyale
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This kind of thing is why Paris was nowhere near the success the media claimed it to be. Without strict binding targets on reducing carbon emissions, transitioning to green technologies, governments are going to fuck up. Particularly this one.
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