PJV3
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So much energy and effort just to reinvent the wheel, and it probably will be not as good in the end anyway.
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The UK votes to leave the European Union |OUT2| Mayday, Mayday, I've lost an ARM
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So much energy and effort just to reinvent the wheel, and it probably will be not as good in the end anyway.
Another amazing article from the express:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/69...ice-cuts-Theresa-May-Centre-European-Research
the title itself is a masterpiece
but nothing compared to the extremely not racist comments:
and finally the best of them all:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/69...ice-cuts-Theresa-May-Centre-European-Research
the title itself is a masterpiece
but nothing compared to the extremely not racist comments:
and finally the best of them all:
those comments sadden me. I always thought UK was above this.
RedSparrows
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The DE is a fucking joke paper, printing hoaxes and conspiracy shit right alongside rabidly jaundiced political stuff. The comnenters have long been the small man nationalist fringe of idiots. Note the appeal to military virtues.
AHA-Lambda
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It's sick but I'm not surprised.
If there is one thing this vote has done in glad about, it's show the world how dire this country is; we're basically Little America
Dyson Industries
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Haha. You need to live here.
To be fair, Nazi Germany should have been a warning to us about why blaming ethnic scapegoats for a nation's ills isn't a good idea, but here we are.
We'll be a lesson to no-one because everyone thinks their right-wing fuckery is justified. The disaffected are so easily exploited by these demagogues and it's only going to get worse.
Royal_Phalanx
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FTFY. These attitudes are becoming more common everywhere.
The more and more I think about it, I think I have come up with (one) explanation for Brexit:
The people of Germany have spent the last 70 years being told that they should be deeply, deeply ashamed of what they did during World War 2 and how it must never happen again.
The people of Britain have spent the last 70 years being told that Britain won World War 2 and that justifies pretty much anything they do.
RedSparrows
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There is something to be said for that, although there's more to it than just myopic historical understandings.
that attitude is as English as being miserable
It might be good to know for some commenters that the UK could have always rejected any EU citizen with a criminal record, even with freedom of movement.
illusionary
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EU funding for farmers, scientists and other projects will be replaced by the Treasury after Brexit, Chancellor Philip Hammond has said.
In a move which could cost up to £4.5bn a year, the Treasury will guarantee to back EU-funded projects signed before this year's Autumn Statement.
Sounds good on the face of it, but where does the money come from? Cuts elsewhere? Tax hikes? More money printing which devalues the pound? Suddenly that £350m a week figure doesn't sound as big anymore does it?
In a move which could cost up to £4.5bn a year, the Treasury will guarantee to back EU-funded projects signed before this year's Autumn Statement.
Sounds good on the face of it, but where does the money come from? Cuts elsewhere? Tax hikes? More money printing which devalues the pound? Suddenly that £350m a week figure doesn't sound as big anymore does it?
It will obviously come from all the money the forrins will be throwing at us to be able to trade with the GREAT BRITISH EMPIRE.
ReplacementPelican
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Oh... Oh no. Now I'm sad.
PJV3
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Their worldview is shaped by the sun and mail.
Also I'm now going to fucking hunt Farmers for a living.
Sucking off the govt teat? Do it like people on JSA and get 60 quid a week for working cunts.
Best part they'll pay for it from their usual scapegoats.
Halph n Halph
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I guess we could always take the £4.5bn from the £13bn we would no longer have to pay to Brussels.
I've done my part to boost the UK economy already*. It'll make the crash when importing from UK to the EU becomes a nightmare a tiny bit harder.
*Not really though, it was a product that is exported and sold here at a higher price, so profits would flow back anyway.
The UK would still have to pay a similiar amount for a Norway-like deal, though. So that money isn't really up for grabs.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
This ignores all the lost revenue from beneficial trade agreements (as a result of EU membership) being lost.
-Plasma Reus-
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You are assuming that £4.5bn is going to be available and not going elsewhere as a result of exit.
Halph n Halph
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I'm not assuming anything. The government have guaranteed it. Even after the guarantee it still leaves £8.5bn to spend elsewhere as a result of leaving.
chromatic9
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Still, really saddening to see it being expressed so strongly and openly.
It's similar to going to youtube and being disappointed. Many countries in Europe have people with this sentiment. How can the UK or any country be above a handful comments made on a silly newspaper website?
Sadly its a common theme that people come to scrounge off the state and also it's costing the country a lot of money. It's been proved benefits is a drop in the ocean. We also have a unemployment under 5%. Countries like France have over 10% and Spain have over 20%.
Most people know the truth that people come to work and work long hours. We would not be able to shop all hours of the day otherwise.
Also the benefit claimers in my experience are white and either have paid into the system or the underclass who don't want to work, a tiny percentage overall mind but I know of white women in their 40s who sleep with young lads just to get pregnant and claim another 15 years of benefits when their existing child reaches 14-15.
PdotMichael
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The 8.5bn are already done for not having access to the largest single market in the world anymore.
The tax contribution of the City of London's financial services industry alone is £65bn a year. There will be an exodus if we leave the single market and lose the financial passport.
So again, where is this money coming from?
Theonik
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The amount of money that is saved depends on the size of the British economy. A 1% contraction of GDP as predicted for this year after the brexit vote is worth more than the £8.5bn. It is also quite fallacious to expect that just because a sum becomes available it will be used in a certain way. That's why many of the anti-trident sentiments don't make sense, as getting rid of Trident would only mean the army pays that into conventional armies instead. (they probably should it's much more useful)
You should also note that these assurances only run for as long as the UK is still liable to pay that money to the EU after which the UK will re-evaluate how the money should be spent and that also means that the UK will need to find a way to finance it without hoping for an increase in the income via GDP growth. A potential drop in tax revenue on a full brexit will yield a bigger loss than the EU membership savings and continued free trade would mean losing the rebate where you are both liable to pay the same but also have to subsidise farms. Or don't I guess, though the UK is already too dependant of foreign food production without considering a shrink in the farming sector.
PdotMichael
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Isn't funny how some people still think leaving the EU just means to reshuffle £12bn in the national budget?
(and of course getting rid of the immigrants of course)
(and of course getting rid of the immigrants of course)
Halph n Halph
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I would bet we will have access to a large degree.
Where have you gathered this information from?
I don't know the plans of the financial sector, but I haven't seen a single report that expects a mass exodus. Most of what I've seen indicated that parts of their operations would relocate within the EU if we lose the passport.
AHA-Lambda
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German car manufacturers to the rescue!!
...but that would require you to pay a lot to access it...
He was being hyperbolic, but the city would loose a lot of income if it looses the passports.
Though to be fair, like a lot of things, that'd depend how the EU will fair in the coming years.
RedSparrows
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And having access comes at a cost...?!
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No one says the UK can't do business with the EU. The EU wants continued business. Only now the UK will have to pay for access, in addition to adhering to EU rules, like freedom of movement.
How about this:
Or this:
https://www.ft.com/content/a3a92744-3a52-11e6-9a05-82a9b15a8ee7
Right now the financial sector is still hoping Britian will keep access to the single market and the passport. If britian is unable to obtain it you can bet bankers will leave faster than you can say brexit
Their website is under maintenance so here's a cached link: https://webcache.googleusercontent....+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&lr=lang_en|lang_fr
She. A lot of people are going to lose their jobs and many will have to relocate. We can speculate how much the treasury will lose in income because of this but it's obvious that the hit to this industry alone will far exceed the £8.5bn net contribution we put into EU coffers.
Audioboxer
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-Plasma Reus-
Service guarantees member status
Whoops sorry for the gender confusion.
I agree with you on this post; for me an exodus would however be if >50% of the banks (or their jobs) left the city, and that won't happen. At least not before a long, long while, London is too big a trading place for that to happen in the near future.
Ah, nicely played.
(though to be fair: they can't promise what the next government will do).
Err...
"Agricultural funding now provided by the EU will also continue until 2020."
Were still going to be in the EU for the majority of that time
Edit: Already mentioned above
Theonik
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I did point this out. There is also the chance that we are looking to be in the EU right up to the end of the current Tory term if the process isn't actually triggered in 2017. The longer they delay the closer the next national election is going to be the greater the risk is to the tories, but at the same time, they need to time to actually figure out what to do and can't do it before 2017 and even then after we actually leave the economy might be hit as a result which will affect them in the 2020 elections if we leave in 2019.
Phantast2k
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It's been pulled back btw:
@SamCoatesTimes
Liam Fox's trade department has deleted the press release about the single market from earlier.
Quite ironic that Britain can't even simply default to WTO terms. Here's a summary of that and what shitty trade-offs Britain is facing: The Brexit Hangover Just Got Worse | Vanity Fair
Meanwhile:
Nigel Farage's 'Preposterous' Moustache Steals The Show During Television Interview
Single market access isn't cheaper. Norway pays the same amount per capita as the United Kingdom. And that is assuming Europe just doesn't ask more money in return for a limit on freedom of movement.
The deal for Norway is access to the single market in return for equal payments, less subsidies and less control.
Halph n Halph
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Of course things will change and people will lose their jobs. As a child I was unfortunate enough to witness over 20,000 miners lose their livelihoods in the 80's along with thousands of steelworkers, car manufacturers, shipbuilders etc etc
Things change, sometimes for the better, sometimes not. I still feel pretty confident we will remain in the single market, pay for the privilege, retain university research projects if we pay in and continue to have a amicable relationship with Europe in many other areas. Leaving wasn't the best result but we aren't about to decend into the apocalypse.
Im going to stay subbed and continue reading this very interesting thread, but somewhat cut back posting. Every time I try to be positive about the situation we find ourselves in,I'm greeted with a sea of green and feel battered and bruised for a page or two
We're on the same page then!
Of course things will change and people will lose their jobs. As a child I was unfortunate enough to witness over 20,000 miners lose their livelihoods in the 80's along with thousands of steelworkers, car manufacturers, shipbuilders etc etc
Things change, sometimes for the better, sometimes not. I still feel pretty confident we will remain in the single market, pay for the privilege, retain university research projects if we pay in and continue to have a amicable relationship with Europe in many other areas. Leaving wasn't the best result but we aren't about to decend into the apocalypse.
Im going to stay subbed and continue reading this very interesting thread, but somewhat cut back posting. Every time I try to be positive about the situation we find ourselves in,I'm greeted with a sea of green and feel battered and bruised for a page or two
Given this mess is going to screw with my parents' retirement I can't help but be angry about it. If you want to stay positive despite the realities that's your call.
As for leaving the EU but staying in the EEA, that's not what anyone voted for. Remainers want to be in the EU and Leavers want a total Brexit. There's no mandate for it.
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