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The UK votes to leave the European Union |OUT2| Mayday, Mayday, I've lost an ARM

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SKINNER!

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http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/which-eu-law-are-you-looking-forward-to-losing/

Probably posted but haven't been in here for a while. Funny, yet saddening video.

Ashley from Pinner is so full of bullshit.

"Oh, I'm not xenophobic. I'm totally multicultural. I got family in America and Spain and Bermuda blah blah blah"

[1 minute later]

"I voted leave because of all those immigrants mobs in Plymouth not integrating"

Fucking idiotic hypocritical sack of shit.
 
I see May has backed down and will now allow parliament to discuss he plans.... I could kind of see her point, The EU will now know exactly what we want before we even get there... it is a fine balancing act this one...the need for keeping your cards close to your chest whilst getting parliaments aprroval

Honestly, what is even there to hide.

May wants market access, the banking passport, no EU migration, no budgetary contributions and thinks threatening EU migrants in the UK with deportation is her cabinet's trump card, I think we know quite a bit about where she stands going into the negotiations next year.

This isn't about secrecy, it's about May being on a powertrip and her desire to shape the UK as she wants (the unholy bill that gives the executive arm of the government free reign over what the legislative did for the last 30+ years worth of EU legislation).
 

Mr. Sam

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Lol.

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Tak3n

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They're actually all pretty good. Starmer putting in work already, best news out of Labour in months.

Problem is most of them the Government don't know the answers, they could answer every one then the EU go....yeah that aint happening....

Back to question 1
 
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They're actually all pretty good. Starmer putting in work already, best news out of Labour in months.

Starmer is great. He was my MP for a brief while and I met him a few times; really nice guy and sharp as anything. Possible future leader, depending on what the Labour party decides to do with itself.
 

Dougald

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The utter hyperbole that a vote on the manner by which the UK ceases to become a member of the EU is somehow against the will of the people is insane
 
It's the Express, bastion of reasonable discourse, but still astonishing that somthing like that can be published unironically and read by hundreds of thousands
 

Zaph

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The idea that a narrow Leave vote means we take a scorched earth policy to Brexit, with no parliamentary vote, is hilarious.

Of course, we won't actually be doing that, because we'll be writing fat cheques to the EU every year no matter what, but lets not have that get in the way of the delusion.

Meeting with some lawyers about Brexit today in my company. It begins I guess.

Sigh.

Yeah, started in earnest at the beginning on the month for mine, and also a couple of my friends' companies.

Silver lining in all this is are the rumblings of very generous relocation packages. Word is big effort to retain talent and they want this to be seen as more of a HQ transplant rather than a move abroad.

As usual, it's the most vulnerable who'll actually be hurt by Brexit (included a lot of Leave voters), but hey, "will of the people" and all that. At least it won't be boring.
 

sohois

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For anyone who fancies reading the Daily Mail's delightful article and doesn't want to go to their garbage website, here you go:

Waking up yesterday, it was as if Britain had been transported back to those febrile, fractious days in May and June, when the EU referendum campaign was being so ferociously contested.

In a document released by the Treasury, there was a hysterical — and entirely bogus — claim that the country will be up to £66 billion a year poorer if the UK fully breaks free of the shackles imposed by Brussels.

It was based on a six-month-old study commissioned by — you guessed it — George Osborne, the architect of the utterly discredited Project Fear and a man whose bitterness at being removed from office is one of the more unedifying spectacles in politics.

Meanwhile, Remain-supporting MPs were being given copious airtime by the BBC to make unsubstantiated claims of impending doom for the UK outside of the single market.

And, to top it all, the pro-Brussels CBI business group was also in full cry, claiming that Britain is heading for a ‘cliff edge’ and that big employers will not possibly be able to cope without unskilled mass immigration from the EU — an unpatriotic, defeatist position which will enrage people in communities whose schools, health services and housing cannot cope with the existing number of migrants.

Perhaps the most eloquent response to the pro-EU position of the CBI — which has long been notorious for its appeasing instincts — was the announcement that JCB, one of Britain’s most important industrial groups, was quitting the confederation in protest.

To all these embittered Remainers, the Mail has a simple message: You lost. Stop the anti-democratic games and respect the emphatic verdict of the British people.

From the moment the referendum result became clear, Remain have been sore losers: incredulous that the British people could be so disrespectful as to reject their wisdom, and increasingly furious that the economy — far from collapsing, as predicted by Mr Osborne — is flourishing.
So it was that they resorted to desperate subterfuge.

The people, they argued, were conned by false claims from the Leave campaign — despite the fact that this was one of the most deeply debated issues in post-war Britain, and that the Leave camp had nothing on the breathtaking mendacity of Remain.

And second, they invented — in the newspeak style of Orwell — some new phrases. The British people, they decided, had not voted for ‘hard Brexit’ — even though nobody had even heard of the expression until after the referendum. They wanted a ‘soft Brexit’ — leaving Europe but staying within the single market.

It is not difficult to discern just why the Remainers are behaving in such a petulant and unacceptable way. By putting a date on the triggering of Article 50 — the formal two-year process for leaving the EU — Theresa May last week crushed their lingering hopes that Brexit was a bad dream that might never happen.

At the same time, they were cut deep by her devastating — and entirely accurate — critique of a metropolitan elite that sneers at the public’s concerns about mass immigration and considers it ‘bewildering’ that 17.4 million people voted to leave the EU.

Thus, a well-heeled group of London ‘intellectuals’ which is used to having everything its own way — and which has ignored the ordinary voter for decades — is out for revenge on Mrs May and to re-assert its own authority.

The BBC — which is now bitterly regretting its admirable impartiality during the referendum and has returned to type — is leading the Remain charge.

Quite why it devotes so much airtime to the embittered pro-EU ramblings of the wet-behind-the-ears ex-Tory ministers Nicky Morgan and Anna Soubry, only it knows. For the Mail’s part, we know both women were unceremoniously sacked by Mrs May in July and have axes to grind.
The most egregious Remainers of all, however, are Ed Miliband, Nick Clegg and friends — who have spent recent days demanding that Parliament must have the final vote on the terms of the UK’s departure from the EU. Which, of course, is code for saying that we-know-best MPs — not the public who pay their salaries and expenses — should decide the country’s destiny.

The entirely fatuous argument deployed by Liberal Democrat Mr Clegg — whose vanity literally destroyed his party, reducing it from 57 seats in 2010 to just eight last year — and Labour’s Mr Miliband is that the public did not vote to quit the single market on June 23: they voted only to leave the EU.

In fact, what the public voted for was simple: to regain control of our borders in order to end mass immigration; reclaim control of our laws; and stop sending billions of pounds to Brussels.

None of this is possible inside the single market — which requires the free movement of workers, full adherence to the diktats of the European Court of Justice and a vast annual membership fee.

Of course, Mr Clegg and the trades-union puppet Mr Miliband — one of the most unelectable politicians ever to hold high office — know this only too well. They just pretend otherwise.

But their argument that it is ‘anti-democratic’ for MPs not to have another vote on the Brexit process is perhaps the most insulting of all.

First, the original referendum bill — passed by a majority of six to one by MPs — made no mention of Parliament having to hold a second vote to approve or implement the June 23 result.

And second, who are they to lecture anybody on democracy? Miliband and Clegg both fought tooth and nail to deny the public a referendum vote in the first place.

Not only that, they are now trying to stick up two fingers to their own constituents by seeking to allow Parliament to block the referendum verdict.
Let it never be forgotten that voters in Mr Miliband’s Doncaster constituency voted 69 per cent in favour of Brexit, one of the highest percentages in the country, while — much to his horror — Mr Clegg’s own city of Sheffield was also in favour of quitting the Brussels club.

The fact is, the mandate for Britain to leave the EU is the biggest handed to any government in history on a turnout of more than 70 per cent.

The verdict was unanswerable. It is time for the Remainers to stop reheating the arguments of the referendum, consign Mr Osborne’s risible Project Fear to history and get on with making a success of Brexit.

They are talking Britain down at every opportunity — most recently by delighting in the fall in the pound, which, as any economist knows, was over-valued in the first place.

In reality, devaluation is good for Britain and our exporters in particular. The sharp fall in the pound that followed the decision in 1992 to leave the Exchange Rate Mechanism, the precursor to the euro, helped to usher in one of the longest periods of growth on record.

Worse than being sore losers, the Remainers are also being deeply unpatriotic. Yes, there are profound challenges ahead, but there are also going to be wonderful new opportunities for our great entrepreneurs, scientists and engineers once we are finally free of the sclerotic, bureaucratic, one-size-fits-all EU.

Crucially, however, the June 23 vote was — as Mrs May so astutely observed in last week’s powerful party conference speech — about more than just leaving the EU.

It was about a deep and profound sense that the public’s concerns on everything, from immigration and rip-off energy bills to big business not paying its taxes, have been ignored for too long.

Mrs May’s verdict was stark. She said: ‘If we don’t respond — if we don’t take this opportunity to deliver the change people want — resentments will grow. Divisions will become entrenched. And that would be a disaster for Britain.’

The Mail entirely shares this view. Is it really too much to hope that the penny might now finally drop with the metropolitan elite, who for decades have ignored the wishes of their fellow countrymen?

It is difficult to avoid the conclusion that their contempt for democracy and the public is more to do with their own political ambitions than with concern for the future of Britain.
 

Tak3n

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May @PMQ's

there will be controls on movement of people, and getting the best deal for businesses....

That was a reply to 'we will leave the single market'
 

Bleepey

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For anyone who fancies reading the Daily Mail's delightful article and doesn't want to go to their garbage website, here you go:

I almost want the UK to further shoot itself in the foot, just to see these idiots proven further wrong. However they are like idiotic Republicans on guns or the efficacy of abstinance only education, they will not listen to sense regardless.
 

Tak3n

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Brilliant put down by May

Labour MP's who want a second vote, should learn from their mistakes

You can ask the same question again, but you still may not get the answer you want! (she was referring to the Labour MP's not wanting Corbyn as leader)
 

BGBW

Maturity, bitches.
So I was watching the news last night when they showed a clip on an MP asking for at least four million people to demonstrate outside the Russian embassy and I wondered how they'd feel if four million Remainers turned up outside Parliament instead.
 

Nicktendo86

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So I was watching the news last night when they showed a clip on an MP asking for at least four million people to demonstrate outside the Russian embassy and I wondered how they'd feel if four million Remainers turned up outside Parliament instead.

There have been a few remainer protests since the vote, each getting gradually less people to attend. I believe the last one only had about 2000 people and culminated in someone nicking Eddie Izzard's pink beret.
 
Brilliant put down by May

Labour MP's who want a second vote, should learn from their mistakes

You can ask the same question again, but you still may not get the answer you want! (she was referring to the Labour MP's not wanting Corbyn as leader)

It was a shambles for May, nice spin though.
 

Maledict

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When did the notion that the EU is one size fits all come to play? I mean, our membership (and Cameron's subsequent demands) are literally the opposite of one size fits all.

I hate the fact that at least two newspapers are basically calling any remain voters traitors.
 

Hazzuh

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Starmer is great. He was my MP for a brief while and I met him a few times; really nice guy and sharp as anything. Possible future leader, depending on what the Labour party decides to do with itself.

He's speaking in the house now if anyone is interested, very impressive. Already has an incredibly strong grasp of his brief.
 
MPs of all side taking turns to thoroughly give the Tory party a good fucking kicking here. Nice to see.

Seems the Tories need a stern lesson in what Parliamentary Sovereignty actually means. Chancing cunts.

Good to see Starmer leading the line though. Went to same school as him.
 
MPs of all side taking turns to thoroughly give the Tory party a good fucking kicking here. Nice to see.

Seems the Tories need a stern lesson in what Parliamentary Sovereignty actually means. Chancing cunts.

Good to see Starmer leading the line though. Went to same school as him.

THE FIGHTBACK IS REAL

nah, they'll just ignore it and plow on as they always have
 

StayDead

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People complaining about a second vote going against the will of the people are insane.

We have a sovereign parliament supposedly. That means it goes against the will of the people not to have a bloody vote in parliament to confirm brexit. I hate most politicians but I honestly think most of them have a big enough brain to realise how stupid it is.
 

AzureSky

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I hate the fact that at least two newspapers are basically calling any remain voters traitors.

that's in line with other right-wing paroles. Calling people who disagree with you unpatriotic and traitors is how it's done if you want to silence someone but have no arguments to work with.

It's just a bit surpising how open they are about it.
 

Lucreto

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Another victim of Brexit and the exchange rate.

A friend was telling me that touchscreens they use are from from Italy. They use a UK distributor to sell them around Europe and to my friends business. They received a call saying the price is going up in the New Year. They rejected this idea because why should they be charged more for the privilege of coming in through the UK. They are dropping this distributor for one in France.
 

Tak3n

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People complaining about a second vote going against the will of the people are insane.

We have a sovereign parliament supposedly. That means it goes against the will of the people not to have a bloody vote in parliament to confirm brexit. I hate most politicians but I honestly think most of them have a big enough brain to realise how stupid it is.

and if the result was the same would you accept it? as I suspect the majority would not, so do you just keep going until remain wins, then the leave campaign will ask for more votes!

The problem is, the HOC and Lords is vastly pro remain, so getting anything through parliament will be difficult to say the least....the Supreme court will end up deciding this
 

kmag

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People complaining about a second vote going against the will of the people are insane.

We have a sovereign parliament supposedly. That means it goes against the will of the people not to have a bloody vote in parliament to confirm brexit. I hate most politicians but I honestly think most of them have a big enough brain to realise how stupid it is.

The biggest laugh being that for any other issue or in any other situation David Davis and the awkward squad would be the first to bang on about Parliamentary sovereignty.
 

kmag

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and if the result was the same would you accept it? as I suspect the majority would not, so do you just keep going until remain wins, then the leave campaign will ask for more votes!

The problem is, the HOC is vastly pro remain, so getting anything through parliament will be difficult to say the least....the Supreme court will end up deciding this

Banging on against a democratic vote? Why isn't that an accurate summation of the entire leave campaign 1975 to June 2016?
 
I think it's more important for Parliament to be voting and enforcing to shape what Brexit is, rather than 'will we leave'. You can accept we'll leave the EU but vote against May's specific plans as you think they're not the best for Britain.
 

Tak3n

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I think it's more important for Parliament to be voting and enforcing to shape what Brexit is, rather than 'will we leave'. You can accept we'll leave the EU but vote against May's specific plans as you think they're not the best for Britain.

if the decision is to leave the single market, I personally think that never gets through parliament if they have to vote on it...I might be wrong and I can see both sides of the argument

Parliament is the last chance for remain voters (well the supreme court as well) I might be an old sceptic but I don't see how it gets through,so follow it on, you have 2 years negotiation, the deal gets voted down in parliament....then what?
 
"not a hard or a soft Brexit, but a smart Brexit".
That spin is making me so dizzy I find it on par with the Democratic People's Republic of Korea as description of that country (North Korea).
 

Dougald

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I think it's more important for Parliament to be voting and enforcing to shape what Brexit is, rather than 'will we leave'. You can accept we'll leave the EU but vote against May's specific plans as you think they're not the best for Britain.

Essentially. We're leaving EU membership, that much is clear, barring a huge change in public opinion which is not gonna happen. I may dislike that, but that's whats happening. However, to claim that the referendum gives the cabinet carte blanche to do whatever they like without involving our elected representatives is crazy.

We're leaving the EU, fine. But let Parliament work out how we can do that in a way thats best for the country, rather than allow the cabinet do whatever they like and hide behind some "will of the people" smoke and mirrors.


if the decision is to leave the single market, I personally think that never gets through parliament if they have to vote on it...I might be wrong and I can see both sides of the argument

Parliament is the last chance for remain voters (well the supreme court as well) I might be an old sceptic but I don't see how it gets through,so follow it on, you have 2 years negotiation, the deal gets voted down in parliament....then what?

The decision to leave the single market should be made by Parliament though. Membership of the single market wasn't on the ballot paper, and plenty of pro-leave leaflets (at least the ones I received) touted Norway as a great example of where we could be
 

Hazzuh

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Looks like the government hasn't been doing a very good job keeping Tory remainers on-side. Claire Perry & Nick Herbert both seemed unhappy. There is a risk of getting the 1990s in reverse with the remainers taking the place of Maastricht rebels.
 
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