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The UK votes to leave the European Union |OUT2| Mayday, Mayday, I've lost an ARM

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Maledict

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Sorry, but I think the article is very bad. We know from practically every other source that the civil service is in meltdown over Brexit, yet it hardly gets a mention. Similarly, it places a lot of hope on Europe getting a lot worse in the next year to force them to be nicer to london (which is both a bit sadistic but also not how things always work out, to say the least. Logic at the international level of diplomacy not that valued!).

It reads more like a puff piece I'd expect to see in a telegraph blog. It's dreams and unicorns packaged up with a bow.
 
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Maledict said:
Sorry, but I think the article is very bad. We know from practically every other source that the civil service is in meltdown over Brexit, yet it hardly gets a mention. Similarly, it places a lot of hope on Europe getting a lot worse in the next year to force them to be nicer to london (which is both a bit sadistic but also not how things always work out, to say the least. Logic at the international level of diplomacy not that valued!).

It reads more like a puff piece I'd expect to see in a telegraph blog. It's dreams and unicorns packaged up with a bow.
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yeah I don't want Italy France and Germany to all follow our lead, and praying they do is a dumb thing. can't we just flipping admit Brexit is a Dumb idea, can't we just get off our ledge and come back into the EU and all of the countries has a massive air of grievances with the EU and all plan to work it out , unite further. not go YOLO Fuckit.. Brexit!!
 
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Maledict said:
Sorry, but I think the article is very bad. We know from practically every other source that the civil service is in meltdown over Brexit, yet it hardly gets a mention. Similarly, it places a lot of hope on Europe getting a lot worse in the next year to force them to be nicer to london (which is both a bit sadistic but also not how things always work out, to say the least. Logic at the international level of diplomacy not that valued!).

It reads more like a puff piece I'd expect to see in a telegraph blog. It's dreams and unicorns packaged up with a bow.
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It's undeniably a positive piece, but it's specifically looking at the political context in which the negotiations will happen. I think the analysis - that things in the UK are better than people thought the day after the referendum and in Europe things aren't looking good, necessarily - ring true. This doesn't mean everything will come up smelling like roses but the political context surrounding the negotiations is undeniably important.
 
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That spectator piece is very optimistic which was a nice to read instead of the doom and gloom Brexit articles normally have.

It did however touch upon briefly about how countries inside the Eurozone with small GDP's are crippling the ECB. The ECB has pumped so much money into the single currency that they need these countries to keep to their agreements of austerity amidst a back drop of civil unrest because of austerity.

Oh BTW yesterday's Autumn Statement was such BS. May pledged to help those at the lower end (JAMS) but proceeded to punish those very people with welfare cuts lol.

Edit: IFS have stated that wages haven't grown in 10 years now something that hasn't happened in the past 70 years. Benefits (inc in work) are still frozen (I.e cuts) benefits are now 0.8% lower than Osbornes fiscal plans. This is even before inflation has taken into account which us Brits know is on its way.

More harsh austerity on the way after the next GE to rebalance the books.
 
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Starwolf_UK

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Tuffty said:
Farage plans to move with his family to America.

Also seen celebrating with the elite despite his regular complaints about them. Fuck off and never come back you chinless fuck.
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Will this mean we will stop hearing about this powerless parasite? After all he wanted his life back yet since Donal got elected I keep hearing Nigel farage after Nigel Farage after Nigel Farage.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38089702
I can't take this any more. I know dead ringers had the running joke Nigel Farage in everything BBC season but it feels like a reality now.
 
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PJV3

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Starwolf_UK said:
Will this mean we will stop hearing about this powerless parasite? After all he wanted his life back yet since Donal got elected I keep hearing Nigel farage after Nigel Farage after Nigel Farage.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38089702
I can't take this any more. I know dead ringers had the running joke Nigel Farage in everything BBC season but it feels like a reality now.
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I'm still baffled how they believe they aren't the establishment, is it because they are uncompromising arseholes or something?
 
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JonnyDBrit

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PJV3 said:
I'm still baffled how they believe they aren't the establishment, is it because they are uncompromising arseholes or something?
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"He says it like it is."

As stupid and reductive as that phrase is, it is reflective of the underlying sentiment. The crudeness with which they speak, and the public's general ignorance of their origins and associations, make them seem closer to the average bloke than most politicians, even if they're elite like nothing else.
 
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Zaph

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CyclopsRock said:
It's undeniably a positive piece, but it's specifically looking at the political context in which the negotiations will happen. I think the analysis - that things in the UK are better than people thought the day after the referendum and in Europe things aren't looking good, necessarily - ring true. This doesn't mean everything will come up smelling like roses but the political context surrounding the negotiations is undeniably important.
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While I disagree with a lot of the article (he's flips between cautious optimism and straight la-la land far too casually), I do agree with his ultimate conclusion that our position is looking significantly stronger (not strong, just stronger) than it did immediately post-referendum. And he's bang on the money with it being down to sheer luck rather than any strategic manoeuvring on behalf of the Tories.

However, I only say that for the South/London bubble - outside the M25 shit is going to get miserably grim thanks to national debt rise, the cuts to social safety nets, and the continued lack of any investment up there (nobody wants to touch that given our trade deals will likely not end up favourable towards manufactured goods). Ironic, but painfully obvious too.
 
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Royal_Phalanx

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Whilst I strongly disagree with that Spectator writer, the idea that things aren't necessarily rosy in Europe is a solid one. I'd say the writer is still being far too optimistic in my view, and just relies on hope that things will go well. The centre right publications I read (Economist and Financial times) are against Brexit so it is an interesting perspective from the other side.
 
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The Friendly Monster

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Royal_Phalanx said:
Whilst I strongly disagree with that Spectator writer, the idea that things aren't necessarily rosy in Europe is a solid one. I'd say the writer is still being far too optimistic in my view, and just relies on hope that things will go well. The centre right publications I read (Economist and Financial times) are against Brexit so it is an interesting perspective from the other side.
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Things aren't perfect in the EU, the UK leaving has the potential to weaken and destabilise the EU hugely. I don't think that people are arguing otherwise. That doesn't lessen the argument against Brexit.
 
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Royal_Phalanx

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The sickest burn I've ever seen on the internet in relation to Brexit was from a German to a British nationalist. It was "your prison just got smaller with brexit, at least we get to keep our porn"
 
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Zaph

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Outstanding headline and video over at the Independent:

"I feel like the establishment has really been given a kicking when I see Farage celebrating with Ferrero Rocher at the Ritz"

Up until recently, to be anti-establishment you had to be in some way at least in part opposed to the establishment. But now that stuffy rule has been destroyed. This Christmas, the Queen will start her speech, 'This year, I for one have had just about enough of the establishment. Your la-di-da types can say what they like, and I can moan about immigrants whenever I fancy coz I’m a simple gal living in South London and I know what’s what'
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I'm his Farage's "boys trip" to NYC was as anti-establishment as it gets.
 
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Burai

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The Friendly Monster said:
Things aren't perfect in the EU, the UK leaving has the potential to weaken and destabilise the EU hugely. I don't think that people are arguing otherwise. That doesn't lessen the argument against Brexit.
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That all depends on what happens elsewhere. The Britain currently leaving the EU is the fifth biggest economy in the world. But the Britain in two years? After the kind of Budget we saw yesterday?

The article presumes too much. It needs the rest of the world to go down with us for the UK to have any hope of securing what it wants. And if that happens, what the hell have we really gained? Our people are broke and starving, our infrastructure broken, but hey, German cars! That we can't afford to buy. Or run. Or have roads for them to run on.
 
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Burai said:
That all depends on what happens elsewhere. The Britain currently leaving the EU is the fifth biggest economy in the world. But the Britain in two years? After the kind of Budget we saw yesterday?

The article presumes too much. It needs the rest of the world to go down with us for the UK to have any hope of securing what it wants. And if that happens, what the hell have we really gained? Our people are broke and starving, our infrastructure broken, but hey, German cars! That we can't afford to buy. Or run. Or have roads for them to run on.
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AFAIK It isn't fifth currently.
 
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The Friendly Monster

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Burai said:
That all depends on what happens elsewhere. The Britain currently leaving the EU is the fifth biggest economy in the world. But the Britain in two years? After the kind of Budget we saw yesterday?

The article presumes too much. It needs the rest of the world to go down with us for the UK to have any hope of securing what it wants. And if that happens, what the hell have we really gained? Our people are broke and starving, our infrastructure broken, but hey, German cars! That we can't afford to buy. Or run. Or have roads for them to run on.
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Exactly, it posits the world as a zero sum game, if the EU is losing (I hope it doesn't!) then the UK must be winning. Really this nationalist shit just makes everything worse for most people in the world.
 
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BGBW

Maturity, bitches.
Every time someone says, "But the people voted", remind them that the people also voted to keep Ed Balls in Strictly Come Dancing.
 
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JonathanEx

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BGBW said:
Every time someone says, "But the people voted", remind them that the people also voted to keep Ed Balls in Strictly Come Dancing.
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Yes it might not be the right person to vote for in terms of "dancing" but damn it if he's not the high point of the show
 
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Xun

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Honestly how bad do things have to get for sense to go into many Leave voters skulls?

The ignorance truly hurts my brain.
 
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Burai

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Xun said:
Honestly how bad do things have to get for sense to go into many Leave voters skulls?

The ignorance truly hurts my brain.
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No-one from the politicians to the press to the people they duped into voting for this will ever take responsibility.

The next step in this madness will be attempting to get/forcing the foreigners who are already settled here to go home and to get the welfare state back into workhouses.
 
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Lagamorph said:
Tony Blair and John Major are today the voices of common sense and reason.

My life makes no sense anymore.
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No, we must leave immediately, whatever the cost. I'm not sure what will happen and I don't care, I'm upset about services being at breaking point due to immigration, but I'm happy to tank the economy and have no money to pay for them anyway.
 
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Principate

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Don't worry guys if things go truly sour, China will just invest heavily in UK buying up all that cheap, cheap capital. Seems highly likely they'll be moving some of their banking sector here as a second base. it'll be fine...
 
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PJV3

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Guy Verhofstadt is in favour of Brits keeping their EU citizenship for an annual fee, hopefully it wouldn't be beyond the reach of people without much cash.

I'm just happy to see the chief negotiator not be against the idea in principle, and I still don't get why Brexit supporters would care if it happens. If in the unlikely event that more than half the country kept EU citizenship it wouldn't change the referendum result, we would just look even more daft than we already do.
 
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Joni

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PJV3 said:
Guy Verhofstadt is in favour of Brits keeping their EU citizenship for an annual fee, hopefully it wouldn't be beyond the reach of people without much cash.

I'm just happy to see the chief negotiator not be against the idea in principle, and I still don't get why Brexit supporters would care if it happens. If in the unlikely event that more than half the country kept EU citizenship it wouldn't change the referendum result, we would just look even more daft than we already do.
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Because it is really hard to paint the other side as villains when they want to help your population.
 
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PJV3

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Number45 said:
I'd probably pay just for this.
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Yeah, amongst other reasons I'm really in favour of the idea.

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Because it is really hard to paint the other side as villains when they want to help your population.
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It would be nice a way of making a statement about the poisonous atmosphere in politics at the moment, this country isn't in a mess because of the EU.
 
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Lagamorph

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PJV3 said:
Guy Verhofstadt is in favour of Brits keeping their EU citizenship for an annual fee, hopefully it wouldn't be beyond the reach of people without much cash.

I'm just happy to see the chief negotiator not be against the idea in principle, and I still don't get why Brexit supporters would care if it happens. If in the unlikely event that more than half the country kept EU citizenship it wouldn't change the referendum result, we would just look even more daft than we already do.
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I love that Brexit supporters/total morons complain how this will create 'two classes' of UK citizens.
 
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PJV3 said:
Guy Verhofstadt is in favour of Brits keeping their EU citizenship for an annual fee, hopefully it wouldn't be beyond the reach of people without much cash.

I'm just happy to see the chief negotiator not be against the idea in principle, and I still don't get why Brexit supporters would care if it happens. If in the unlikely event that more than half the country kept EU citizenship it wouldn't change the referendum result, we would just look even more daft than we already do.
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Leave voters don't want this as deep down they know they would want it and look silly.

They don't mind tanking the country as long as we all go down with them I guess.
 
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JonnyDBrit

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BigAl1992 said:
http://news.sky.com/story/pm-uk-to-be-even-closer-to-poland-after-brexit-10676095

So hold on, she wants to aim for a Hard Brexit and cut down immigration, yet under this sort of arrangement, you could argue it can make way for Polish people to enter the UK unabaited with visa agreements between the two countries and allow for Polish Migrants access into the UK anyway. How does that work?
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It depends on the nature of the arrangement. For example, it could involve just grandfathering in existing rights - so if you're a Pole living in the UK your right to work won't be revoked, but if you're a Pole in Poland with ideas of coming across, you're out of luck, and vice versa.

Problem is, I imagine that won't satisfy a fair view Leave voters anyway. Its quite clear that a lot of them want more than to merely cap net migration - they want active evictions.
 
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“What’s the model? Have your cake and eat it.”
 
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There's no way in hell that was not leaked deliberately.
 
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Beefy

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Posted this in the other thread, but it's more to about the EU.

Theresa May has described how her faith in God makes her convinced she is “doing the right thing” as Prime Minister.

In a rare interview – in which she said the “hugely challenging” task of Brexit leaves her with little time for sleep – Ms May opened up about her Christian beliefs.

She replied: “It's about, 'Are you doing the right thing?' If you know you are doing the right thing, you have the confidence, the energy to go and deliver that right message.”

Asked if that was a “moral” approach, Ms May added: “I suppose there is something in terms of faith.

“I am a practising member of the Church of England and so forth, that lies behind what I do.

“It's not like I've decided to do what I'm going to do and I'm stubborn. I'll think it through, have a gut instinct, look at the evidence, work through the arguments, because you have to think through the unintended consequences.”


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...in-she-is-doing-the-right-thing-a7442616.html

God is helping us don't worry. /s
 
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