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The UK votes to leave the European Union |OUT2| Mayday, Mayday, I've lost an ARM
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JonathanEx
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A bunch of tweets saying Govt have accepted Labour's motion to demand a plan is published before the process begins.
Which:
1. Well held, May
2. Now you have to come up with a plan
I presume this is going to be the world's vaguest plan.
Step 1: Article 50
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit and take back control
Which:
1. Well held, May
2. Now you have to come up with a plan
I presume this is going to be the world's vaguest plan.
Step 1: Article 50
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit and take back control
Roberto Larcos
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I believe step two is 'red, white and blue Brexit'.
Basically the Wind Waker Auction House approach to Brexit?
He's clearly turned up for that very purpose.
The EU will be confounded when we roll out the Russian flags and declare ourselves an autonomous oblast.
PJV3
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The government is pretending bad news doesnt exist
Directors of trade bodies many of them facing economic and regulatory disaster went in to brief David Davis when he was made Brexit secretary. But before they got to his office they were taken to one side by civil servants and advised to go in saying Brexit was full of opportunities. Anyone who didnt tended to be asked to leave after five minutes.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/06/twenty-reasons-brexit-trickier-than-we-thought
I don't know how true it is, but it made me smile. I accept the coming shit-storm and merely pray we come out of it still sane.
Directors of trade bodies many of them facing economic and regulatory disaster went in to brief David Davis when he was made Brexit secretary. But before they got to his office they were taken to one side by civil servants and advised to go in saying Brexit was full of opportunities. Anyone who didnt tended to be asked to leave after five minutes.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/06/twenty-reasons-brexit-trickier-than-we-thought
I don't know how true it is, but it made me smile. I accept the coming shit-storm and merely pray we come out of it still sane.
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the Scottish government (and the Northern Irish, to be fair) are both arguing that the EU is an essential part of the devolution legislation without which said legislation would be fundamentally changed, and that that Brexit also requires consent of the Northern Irish and Scottish parliaments. Most legal commentators seem to think it is highly unlikely the SC will be convinced of this, but you can't blame them for trying.
I should subscribe to the guardian.
He looks a bit more Tingle than Link to me
Theonik
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RedSparrows
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The Comment is Free section gets a lot of stick for various leftist identity politicking articles that frequently run, but the paper as a whole has a lot of decent stuff. See John Harris's frequent forays into 'Brexit' land to ask voters what they think (the cliche 'they're angry' articles, but still good), and so forth.
yeah they know they're going to lose the high court case and if it goes back to parliament they actually need a plan so they agreed to Labour's proposal. May's government is in shambles. They have no idea what they're doing and it becomes more and more obvious each day.
Best of British right there, especially that last chap
I'd not heard of a black Brexit, a white Brexit or a grey Brexit before reading this quote. Am I going mad? I know, "Am I going mad?" is the prevelant thought when reading anything about Brexit, but this shit in particular is just nonsense.
Somebody on Twitter, who I really should credit, explained what a red, white and blue Brexit meant:
Red - for the nation's finances
White - for our preferred race
Blue - for the next fifty years of Parliament
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...theresa-may-government-article-50-anna-soubry
Interesting (infuriating) how she's asked parliament to back the planned exit at the end of March purely because she's said they're going to produce a document, without anyone knowing quite what that document would include.
Not pulling any punches there, nice.
Interesting (infuriating) how she's asked parliament to back the planned exit at the end of March purely because she's said they're going to produce a document, without anyone knowing quite what that document would include.
http://www.politico.eu/article/theresa-may-could-opt-for-grey-brexit-black-white-eu-uk/
Google is your friend. Gray Brexit (and black-and-white) discussed before May's meaningless dribble.
Google is your friend. Gray Brexit (and black-and-white) discussed before May's meaningless dribble.
NekoFever
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The reactions would be amazing if it worked.
I honestly think it would be best for everyone if they ruled that Brexit couldn't happen without the consent of the Scottish parliament. The shitshow gets stopped; the UK government gets to make a show of being angry and doing everything it could; Little Englanders are livid at the SNP but they hate them anyway so no change there.
...and confusing everyone, the SNP suddenly makes electoral inroads in central London.
God no. Then the people who campaigned for Brexit have an ideal way to continue to drive division and push the disenfranchised to support them. At this point I think the best we can hope for is that the pain of Brexit is temporary rather than screwing the country completely for the long term.
Vivalaraza
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They still haven't grasped the full scale of challenge or complexity.
Was talking to someone at DEXEU yesterday who said that many of the briefing conversations with Ministers are still ending up at why "why can't we just do X".
Is it still true they're really struggling with recruitment, I was speaking to someone in the civil service about a month back who was saying there's been a lot of strong arm treatment into transferring or seconding to Davis's department.
Vivalaraza
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Yes.
I won't go into too much detail but the whole thing has been a mess from pre-referendum. I was actually moved into a referendum role, told it was happening on the Friday and asked to start on the Monday. My team were pissed, understandably.
Post result similar things have been happening. Departments are losing some of their best people with relevant experience and at the same time are being asked to set up their own EU teams. There has also been some work around whether the CS actually has the people with the right skills to do this work...not sure where it got to but safe to say the answer is some version of 'no'.
There was an initial estimate into number required but that is well short. DEXEU and Trade are still recruiting in large numbers. Issues like accommodation are still unsettled also. Person I was talking to yesterday has 3 desks in 3 different buildings right now.
Cosmic Schwung
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It's this fool. I guess it's supposed to be some kind of traditional Irish outfit although having never seen anyone else wear it I wouldn't be surprised if he made it up.
Jesus fucking Christ David Davis. "It's like threading a needle. If someone bumps your elbow it's harder. If 650 people do it it's even harder."
I wish this government would stop talking in whimsical fucking metaphors. It's not really helping the discussion when people think that we are literally playing a game of poker with the EU and not sitting down and attempting to negotiate an exit from our existing obligations and subsequently forming new trade and diplomatic agreements.
"We can't show our cards! We need to surprise them!" Yes you fucking can. We have nothing, absolutely nothing that we can surprise them with. Nothing that they won't have already second guessed and have a contingency for and a counterpoint to. It's not a game where we've all been dealt cards at random and we have to call their bluff. We know their cards already. They know our cards already. Because it's all written down in our membership. It's literally all there.
Gaaaah.
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I wish this government would stop talking in whimsical fucking metaphors. It's not really helping the discussion when people think that we are literally playing a game of poker with the EU and not sitting down and attempting to negotiate an exit from our existing obligations and subsequently forming new trade and diplomatic agreements.
"We can't show our cards! We need to surprise them!" Yes you fucking can. We have nothing, absolutely nothing that we can surprise them with. Nothing that they won't have already second guessed and have a contingency for and a counterpoint to. It's not a game where we've all been dealt cards at random and we have to call their bluff. We know their cards already. They know our cards already. Because it's all written down in our membership. It's literally all there.
Gaaaah.
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Watching the Supreme Court case on BBC News.
Jesus christ, the sheer level of paperwork scattered over those desks, the several feet high piles of reports on some of the lawyers desks.
How in the hell does anyone make any sense of this? We're getting talk of "Document M1216 Paragraph 76 Sub-Paragraph 4"
Jesus christ, the sheer level of paperwork scattered over those desks, the several feet high piles of reports on some of the lawyers desks.
How in the hell does anyone make any sense of this? We're getting talk of "Document M1216 Paragraph 76 Sub-Paragraph 4"
JonnyDBrit
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In a sense that's part of the problem. Stuff like this is incredibly complex, and so people generally try to avoid thinking about it unless absolutely necessary, even when its their job to do so. Add in the general trap of thinking a system works the way a person thinks it should, rather than how it actually does, and you get the mad dive into the paperwork that's going on now, as things are not at all as simple as 'Brexit means Brexit'.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38243500
MPs have voted to back the government's plan to start formal talks on Brexit by the end of March next year.
They also supported a Labour motion calling for Parliament to "properly scrutinise" the government in its proposals for leaving the EU.
MPs backed Labour's motion, saying the government should publish a plan and it was "Parliament's responsibility to properly scrutinise the government" over Brexit, by 448 votes to 75 - a margin of 373.
The government's amendment was opposed by 23 Labour MPs and one Conservative - former chancellor Ken Clarke.
Five Liberal Democrat MPs, three Plaid Cymru MPs and 51 SNP MPs also voted against it
MPs have voted to back the government's plan to start formal talks on Brexit by the end of March next year.
They also supported a Labour motion calling for Parliament to "properly scrutinise" the government in its proposals for leaving the EU.
MPs backed Labour's motion, saying the government should publish a plan and it was "Parliament's responsibility to properly scrutinise the government" over Brexit, by 448 votes to 75 - a margin of 373.
The government's amendment was opposed by 23 Labour MPs and one Conservative - former chancellor Ken Clarke.
Five Liberal Democrat MPs, three Plaid Cymru MPs and 51 SNP MPs also voted against it
Roberto Larcos
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461 votes to 89 - a margin of 372.
Which MPs voted against triggering Article 50 before April 2017? All 89 who opposed Brexit timetable - The Mirror
Which MPs voted against triggering Article 50 before April 2017? All 89 who opposed Brexit timetable - The Mirror
Court Judges won't be swayed by such things.
Roberto Larcos
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Norman Lamb, Tom Brake, John Pugh and Greg Mulholland abstained.
Norman Lamb stated that he would abstain, as his constituency voted heavily in favour of 'leave'.
I assume the others are spineless, given that London, Leeds and Liverpool all voted to remain.
Oh, Ken.
This is the worst part, I can understand MPs abstaining or voting if their constituency voted to leave, but those just followed the whip?
Just political survival at this point, let the next generation deal with the fallout.
I'm getting more and more convinced that either various companies are certain that the UK is going to become a tax haven, or the government has secretly promised them that it will.
There just seems to be way too many "Company x commits to future in Britain" stories coming out lately with so much uncertainty going on.
There just seems to be way too many "Company x commits to future in Britain" stories coming out lately with so much uncertainty going on.
Theonik
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These same companies are also privately or more visibly hedging their bets trying to benefit from May's cabinet being incompetent and the resulting tax breaks, and moving key operations to the continent in the long run.
PJV3
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JonathanEx
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And let's remember IDS is basically just giving himself relevance by doing interviews every five minutes because people go 'oh I've heard of him', not that he is particularly actually involved in anything now. He'll say over reactionary stuff because being a mouthpiece is all he's good for now.
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