QuicheFontaine
Member
Eh? China has a FTA with Iceland. I'm pretty sure we'd get one no problem.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
The UK votes to leave the European Union |OUT2| Mayday, Mayday, I've lost an ARM
- Thread starter Hasney
- Start date
- Status
Eh? China has a FTA with Iceland. I'm pretty sure we'd get one no problem.
JonathanEx
Member
GOVE IS RUNNING FOR PM.
"Boris cannot provide the leadership or build the team for the task ahead".
That's a big spoiler to him.
"Boris cannot provide the leadership or build the team for the task ahead".
That's a big spoiler to him.
anonymous_abc
Member
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
Gove :lol
You don't even know how to tie your own fucking shoe laces m8.
You don't even know how to tie your own fucking shoe laces m8.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Not to sound like a chicken little, but given the sorry state of Labour, a cohesive Tory government in charge of redoing UK's post-Brexit legislation should be a cause of real concern.
Except I'm pretty sure that FTA deal is pretty much in favour of China.
anonymous_abc
Member
I'm sure it's super favourable to Iceland's huge industrial and services sector!
You've gotta get your lapdogs fixed people. You can't leave them with any balls.
jimbobsmells
Member
Jesus Christ and people voted for this? It lines up pretty much to thoughts I explained to a friend yesterday, but seeing a proper economist lay it out like that is so depressing.
Pretty sure that hugely favours China.
Sure, we can get a trade deal with China, but it will be a shit deal for the UK compared to the one we would get as an EU member state.
BossDarkseid
Member
All this craziness just makes it more impossible for Ianucci to come back for a one off The Thick of It Special. It wouldn't even feel like a comedy, just a documentary on the fuckery of the political system.
GOVE IS RUNNING FOR PM.
"Boris cannot provide the leadership or build the team for the task ahead".
That's a big spoiler to him.
Gove really does look like a Madame Tussaud's waxwork of Michael Gove >_>
accel
Member
It's not a zero sum game, FTA is a win-win.
At this point, I wouldn't put it past them deliberately screwing themselves so he or Boris don't get the job because neither want it after this mess. A team together might get them a win so best split and look weak then let May take the job.
I still haven't seen Gov since before the election, what a scum bag.
Elaugaufein
Member
If there's time left / you get an extension further negotiations. Otherwise you get kicked. They'll likely retune that as the date approaches and if it looks like failure is possible make predictions then based on the time remaining and relationship with the EU.
blazinglord
Member
Wow, wasn't expecting Gove to throw his hat into the ring. Wonder what it was that Gove and Boris disagreed on - perhaps immigration?
I think Gove actually doesn't want to be in the EU
JonathanEx
Member
Andrea Leadsom standing too.
Hahah Tories are gonna have fun with this too, lovely.
Hahah Tories are gonna have fun with this too, lovely.
Probably career aspirations.
ferrasvansen
Member
He probably realises they will not get the immigration controls he wants with BJ, so maybe he thinks with him in charge it is more likely, then again maybe his wife wants to be PM...
QuicheFontaine
Member
I'll admit that I haven't read it, but since both parties signed it I'm gonna say it's beneficial to the interests of both parties.
Elaugaufein
Member
FTAs are not inherently win win. Australia has had one with the US , and it's net effect for us has been ~0. The US got to write a chunk of their laws into ours in exchange. We pretty much lost that one. We do the same thing to our weaker partners.
It might be. The thing is no one knows until a few years down the road if the exchanges were fair. Its educated guessing / predictions and it's far from immune to lobbying by specific interest groups to get terms that are beneficial to them even if the net trade offs for those concessions are negative. There's also political considerations our prior Prime Minister hastily signed a bunch of FTAs because they are electorally popular and his ratings were in a dumpster.
Gove wants Peoples Front of Judea and Boris wants Judean Peoples Front
In one respect Gove would be good. Would completely cut out the middleman between Murdoch and running the country - he won't need to use the press to push for policy, as he would just own the prime minster outright. much more efficient to have the most corrupt man in government at the top.
My big worry right now is the Tory majority weirdly enough. Whilst I don't think any of the main leadership candidates wants to leave Europe, there are more than 12 nut bag Tory MPs who will push them to enact article 50 and thus they will be forced down that road unwillingly.
I utterly despair at the fact that my future has been wrecked because of internal Tory party politics. These ridiculous pygmies of politics, willing to sacrifice everything for a shot at number 10.
My big worry right now is the Tory majority weirdly enough. Whilst I don't think any of the main leadership candidates wants to leave Europe, there are more than 12 nut bag Tory MPs who will push them to enact article 50 and thus they will be forced down that road unwillingly.
I utterly despair at the fact that my future has been wrecked because of internal Tory party politics. These ridiculous pygmies of politics, willing to sacrifice everything for a shot at number 10.
Alx
Member
At least the dagger industry is booming.
Whatever Murdoch and the Daily Mail twat want them to do. Gov seems more of a puppet in that regard and they probably think Boris has no idea what he is doing now and wants out of this mess so it's Gov as the ticket.
BossDarkseid
Member
When the history books are written about this and it's uncovered the whole thing was over a political gamble that spectacularly backfired...it'll be fascinating but tragic.
I'd imagine it's over career aspirations.
Freewheelin'
Member
May is probably the best of an abhorrent bunch. Terrible.
ferrasvansen
Member
Yeah country is in for a right kicking when he is gone, still pissed at the bastard for causing all this.
BossDarkseid
Member
Could be something on Mock the Week's "Unlikely things to hear..." section...
But possibly true. Sorta.
When someone said "No deal is better than the deal we have at the moment" I was gobsmacked and asked how and they just replied Freedom.
We doomed.
Farage says all Leave voters want to prevent immigration.
Johnson says no Leave voters want to prevent immigration.
That's going to go down well.
On Gove:
He said that the school I went to is the best in the country,
He said schools shouldn't show Blackadder in history lessons.
My school showed Blackadder in history lessons.
Edit: Holy shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMpBN_MmX7o
Johnson says no Leave voters want to prevent immigration.
That's going to go down well.
On Gove:
He said that the school I went to is the best in the country,
He said schools shouldn't show Blackadder in history lessons.
My school showed Blackadder in history lessons.
Edit: Holy shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMpBN_MmX7o
HazySaiyan
Banned
You're not wrong there, fucking hell.
Yeah, he was a good prime minister, even though he ballsed up the ref and did some things I disagree with.
jakonovski
Member
China has a strategic interest in the arctic that is far more important to them than trade concerns with a nation of 300,000 people. So I'm fairly certain that the agreement with Iceland is in service of other goals.
Can any one of them seriously say that free movement of people and the single market won't come together when they set out their stalls. It would be a 100% lie unless they want to screw the UK by not being in the single market. That's going to be the most interesting point in their campaigns.
Red Liquorice
Member
Gove in the running, really? Surely even he knows what a sniveling toad he is. Corbyn's got better odds than he does!
AHA-Lambda
Member
Why hasn't Boris put his bid in yet? :/
ferrasvansen
Member
Almost all the main Tory brexit folk are now going their own way, suggests to me no plan, no agreement, no nothing.... shambles.
JonathanEx
Member
It's likely more about spoiling Boris' appeal. A lot of people thought they'd run together, so if he can spoil that a little, possibly worth it.
It isn't a win/win situation. The main deal here was that Iceland's fisheries could have better access to China's consumers with the FTA. But as far as I know, this has not occurred where as China hasn't increased its consumption of Icelandic fish. In fact, Japan is still a significantly more important market as they're actually willing to buy Iceland's fish despite no FTA. The total catch/export ratio to China is actually decreasing as of the start of this year.
In the mean time, China gets improved access to the Arctic's natural resources.
QuicheFontaine
Member
They do?? What is it? I've geniunely never heard of this.
accel
Member
Regarding numbers and projections.
As time passes, the numbers become better, the second (later) link talks about losing 2.5% GDP and not 4%.
https://twitter.com/AlexWhite1812/status/748194756765884416
It seems to me there is a clear tendency of overblowing the losses initially.
--
Oil and gas.
As time passes, the numbers become better, the second (later) link talks about losing 2.5% GDP and not 4%.
https://twitter.com/AlexWhite1812/status/748194756765884416
It seems to me there is a clear tendency of overblowing the losses initially.
--
Oil and gas.
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked
- Locked