Cameron can't call a general election. The parliament act means it requires a two thirds majority vote in parliament to do it, which won't happen under him.
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The UK votes to leave the European Union |OUT2| Mayday, Mayday, I've lost an ARM
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Cameron can't call a general election. The parliament act means it requires a two thirds majority vote in parliament to do it, which won't happen under him.
FreedomFighter
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lol @ John Kerry saying there are a number of ways the UK can stay in the EU.
Of course it would be US meddling and trying to school UK on how to undermine democracy. How apropos.
But then again, UK told Obama to fuck off when he came over and told them they'll be at "the back of the queue", so I doubt anyone over there is paying Kerry any mind.
Of course it would be US meddling and trying to school UK on how to undermine democracy. How apropos.
But then again, UK told Obama to fuck off when he came over and told them they'll be at "the back of the queue", so I doubt anyone over there is paying Kerry any mind.
On Theresa May, from an article in the New Statesmen in May: http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/05/tory-civil-war
KonradLaw
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Yep. It's poisoned gift. Lack of freedom of movement for the death of London's financial services. It's incredibly ruthless proposal, because the brexit masses will easily swallow the "hahaha..let those dirty banksters burn", not realizing just how catastrophic this would be to UK's economy.
After another question
Negotiation will need to take place on EU migrants allready here, and for those UK citizens in EU, it is not they are not welcome, but a deal obviously needs to be dome
Human rights
Her position is clear, however she will not pursue to pull us out as she can not secure a majority
Negotiation will need to take place on EU migrants allready here, and for those UK citizens in EU, it is not they are not welcome, but a deal obviously needs to be dome
Human rights
Her position is clear, however she will not pursue to pull us out as she can not secure a majority
Well, certain segments told him to fuck off. A lot of us realised that Obama was actually talking a lot of sense.
GamerMax73
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Shit, BoJo might be a better bet so he can fudge a turn around. Whose the best of the Pro-Remain candidates left?
4yrs of May as PM is a nightmare of a thought. I swear I'm watching my homeland burn itself to the ground - still better than the tumble weed of yesterday.
Yeah, I meant after the general election. I mostly agree, but UKIP has a lot of fertile ground left promising to veto immigration issues in the negotiation.
FTFY
Elaugaufein
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Theoretically the prospective Tory leader could ask him too (to give him Conservative votes) and Labor as the opposition would be pretty much obliged to go along with an effective no confidence vote.
Not saying it's likely just that the a set of circumstances exist by which the next PM is non-Tory.
The Tories have a majority already, and UKIP have1 MP so... zero.
I hear you. But the milk is not spilt yet. The bottle top is just off and primed to be tipped.
I want just one major voice to come out (Farron doesn't count) to say "Fuck this noise - if this is gonna be final, a 2nd Referendum will just reinforce us"
The Leave Campaign has been destroyed as lies. We cannot get a goddamn thing they promised and surely that's been spelt out to at least some of the poor sods who believed them
There is still a hardcore line of ignorant hardliners who believe we're on the way to the promised land but Jesus...
accel
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You know, I thought I knew it's the former, but I went to check and it seems it's actually the latter.
It's good for the potential of the UK - EU deal, obviously, but I guess I will do more reading and less writing for some time.
JonathanEx
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First thing I've actually liked from May - no longer advocating UK pulling out of ECHR.
ferrasvansen
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Gurgelhals
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So, as a foreigner am I right in assuming that your likely next PM seems to be an updated version of Margaret Thatcher, who seems even more stern and ruthless than the original (I never thought that this would even be possible)?
If true then, yes, fun times ahead indeed :-/
If true then, yes, fun times ahead indeed :-/
Yup, that was the scariest thing. Although she said she is clear she would like it, just that she couldn't get a majority. She's basically saying she just doesn't want to lose.
And I'm OK with that.
I wouldn't say more stern and ruthless, but it's clear Thatcher was someone May looked up to.
blazinglord
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Well everyone has been bemoaning the political chaos engulfing the two main parties, saying that we need leadership. Well it looks like we're going to get it. The wrong kind of leadership, but leadership all the same...
PJV3
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The sight of the UK rounding up people who came here legally and are working, to deport them back to their home countries, will cement our position on the world stage as being an utterly fucked up bunch of racist cunts.
Even giving the slightest credence to that nonsense is appalling and pandering to bigots. Any leader with an ounce of morals (or sense) should be saying clearly that everyone here legally will be able to stay here no matter what happens.
WhateverItTakes
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So with this set of conservative candidates, what are the chances of an early general? I'd understand them wanting to hold onto power as long as they can. But even if one was held, would article 50 be triggered before so all the parties have to focus on leaving?
The uncertainty of the Tory being elected...
Ftfy
Elaugaufein
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But it doesn't even achieve that. I'm as much for holding bankers over the fire as anyone else when their less then ethical behavior in the pursuit of fat bonuses screws the economy but having them pick up and set up shop in a different country and carry on as us usual not only fails to achieve that , it makes it more difficult to impose even token a wrist slaps the next time it happens.
I'm an Italian immigrant in UK and honestly at this point I hope she'll be the one negotiating the leave.
When she'll get nothing leavers won't be able to say that she wasn't carrying their ideals and maybe realise that what they were asking for was impossible.
If someone more moderate goes to negotiate I'm afraid that we'd only end up with many people going to vote extremist parties to achieve what they would still think is feasible
I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt for now because something probably would need to be worked out if EU citizens aren't allowed to come here, technically speaking they wouldn't be allowed to stay under the current terms.
If there's any rumbling she would kick people out, then fuck anything else she tries to do, she can just fuck off.
More Fun To Compute
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May who is supposedly on the remain side just said no general election and full steam ahead for "stability".
She said Secretary of State will head a dept for the negotiation, however that person will be from the leave campaign
Taking this line of thinking (which I'm not arguing with), and something like this article, would it be reasonable to argue that the masses are entirely uneducated about the economy? I don't mean this in an elitist fashion, but from the outside-looking-in, the Remain campaign was all about the negatives of leaving, not the positives of staying in. So, when someone says
Isn't that a failure of the politicians, education and the media to ingrain into all parts of society what the EU, the City and the financial sector does? Isn't it just a desire by both politicians and media to feed into the popular myth of bankers and large corporations as soul-sucking entities not giving anything back?
Or is it too broad a reading... Too much "tarring everyone with the same brush"?
ferrasvansen
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Given the likelihood of a recession post Brexit, all major infrastructure projects will be at risk, unless tories change tact on finances and borrow to invest.
Funny how there's mention of kicking smart skilled people out of the country when I've already spoken to several skilled smart workers from EU (and even other parts of the world) who are voluntarily planning to leave the UK because they don't feel welcome as a result of the referendum vote. Nobody wants to work/contribute here anymore so no bother in even threatening to boot them out. Damage already done.
Palette Swap
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Actually, his comments are completely noncommittal. "Everything is on the table and will need to be discussed"? Well, no shit.
They want Article 50 to be triggered so they're not going to be publicly negotiating before it happens. These are really boilerplate platitudes.
Even more so when this government is incredibly unpopular and is up for reelection one year from now. They have a political interest in this moving forward as quickly as possible, just to take any kind of win home, even if there's not a chance in hell that these negotiations would be done by the next election.
Still, with May pushing back article 50, I fail to see how the current limbo wouldn't progressively push businesses out of the U.K. anyway.
ferrasvansen
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ferrasvansen
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lol
I mean, Gove standing is kind of his out if he wants it.
He is standing, but Sky News saying his camp are dumb struck that Gove drop his bombshell, and does his campaign massive damage, as the Brexit MP's may choose Gove over Boris
No.
She opened by talking about social injustice and that poor people basically have no chance of achieving anything in this country.
Not Thatcher-like at all.
GamerMax73
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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that once the new Tory leader is selected he has to stand down immediately? I'm certain its not a requirement that the Prime Minster is the leader of the party that commands the majority in the commons (doesn't have to be an MP, Lords have been PM before, doesn't have to be the largest party - it's the commons majority bit thats important), but it is a long held convention that would make his position even more untenable than it already is if he doesn't step aside immediately.
When he steps aside the newly elected Tory leader will be invited by the Queen to form the new government.
I don't see any option here for Cameron to try getting Commons support for an early election. Hell, he'd need the support of is own part who just elected a replacement PM.
JonathanEx
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They'll never fucking decide that one, will they
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