The Friendly Monster
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But a minority of voters would want to end EU freedom of movement and they are calling the shots of the two main parties?
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The UK votes to leave the European Union |OUT2| Mayday, Mayday, I've lost an ARM
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TheLegendOfMart
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Conveniently gives him an excuse, he wasn't going to hit the target anyway.
Other than the fact we might not be able to trade under WTO terms after we leave the EU, Gove claiming he tried to call Boris and Team Boris calling it rubbish and both of the favourites for the leadership saying nothing will be triggered until 2017 at the earliest and Osbourne saying the target for reducing the nations debt isn't going to be hit by 2020 due to leaving (which is probably a convenient get out clause), sure.
... while he is tea-bagging them.
Maybe that's his plan. Keep Boris out, get May in...
I really hope he doesn't expect to seriously win
Palculator
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Sort of off-topic but this Battle of the Somme ceremony is beautiful. And makes the UK leaving the union even more sad.
It boggles the mind that Labour aren't making any ground with this absolute travesty. Instead they are having the most polite, ineffective, incompetent purge/leadership heave of all time with the most polite ineffective, incompetent leader of, well perhaps not all time but close to it.
Would not be the least bit surprised if May asked Gove to do it in return for a post.
The Friendly Monster
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Exactly, and there's a whole load of business-minded Tory voters who they can appeal to on a pro freedom of movement campaign. I suppose the counterargument is that the Tory party are going to lie for the next few years pretending that they will get access to the markets and restrictions on immigration.
So this came out this morning: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-36683083
BBC presenter/journalist in tears after receiving racist abuse this morning.
BBC presenter/journalist in tears after receiving racist abuse this morning.
This shit has been happening for years and it has taken the Brexit vote to get them to acknowledge it and report on it and only then because trying to make it fit their narrative of being anti Brexit. Sick. Utterly sick. Both the acts and the reporting.
Labour is so fucked up at the moment, I'm not sure what they stand for anymore and it's pissing me off.
If Corbyn doesn't realise he needs to leave after seeing this, with the state the Tories are in, then I'm baffled.
How the hell is UKIP so much higher than LibDems. My god this country...
Linkstrikesback
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This country...
On this note, actually, some people have taken to wearing safety pins as part of a show of solidarity against this sort of thing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36661097
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...-pins-in-solidarity-with-immigrants-safetypin
Don't know whether it has actually caught on, but worth keeping in mind!
Why would he care about the polls, he's not interested in running an alternative government.
UKIP has taken votes from labour and Tory, and they aren't coming home anytime soon. It's why no Tory candidate wants to call an election. It's the same as the SNP effect - once people make that switch and vote for another party, it's a lot easier in the future to keep doing so.
I don't think that result would get them many seats, but it would leave the Tories open and vulnerable in many areas (and labour in the north potentially), hence their reluctance to go back to the ballot box.
Also dropped any plans for tax rises. Got called.
If the PLP don't realise they need to shut the fuck up and get behind their democratically elected leader after seeing this, with the state the Tories are in, then I'm baffled
accel
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I think that's a case of jumping at everything now, no matter dangerous or not.
*Obviously* in order to be able to trade with EU (or anyone else) on WTO terms, we have to become a member of WTO first. *Obviously*, if everybody drag their feet on this and other things, the country will first spend years getting out of EU, then a year or more getting into WTO, then some more time striking a deal with EU. *Obviously*, the EU guys are making strong faces and telling everyone that, yes, that's how it's going to be, and that no, they don't see any other way.
But that's just a negotiation position. Everything here is subject to negotiation. Preliminary work on entering WTO can and should be done. The UK can work on deals with other countries, aiming to close them quickly after quitting the EU. The UK *can* negotiate with the EU about the future deal and about anything else. The UK doesn't even have to enter WTO to trade with the EU on same or similar terms, the new deal can include these terms without ever using the name "WTO".
Yes, the UK perhaps depend more on the EU in general than the other way around. But it's an inter-dependency. The EU *also* depend on the UK.
So, I think it's time to stop jumping at every tweet, take a step back, decide the course and move on. I don't see the sky falling. If someone thinks it is, fine, I understand, but I'd re-check some time after to make sure it really is falling.
GamerMax73
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Thank you, that sentence just reminded me what all this feel like right now...
...For some reason I kinda feel like we are all reliving the plot to Babylon 5...
It will not produce many seats but at least it will highlight the flaw with the current first past the post system. Ending up with 1 or 2 MPs representing millions of people...... and some how people are shocked that the electorate feel unrepresented and detached.
SymbiantXenos
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Michael Gove
Rhymes with Stove
Not with Glove
Move
Or Love
Which I don't feel
For Michael Gove
Or Jeremy Hunt
Who, like him is
An utter fool
Rhymes with Stove
Not with Glove
Move
Or Love
Which I don't feel
For Michael Gove
Or Jeremy Hunt
Who, like him is
An utter fool
It has been happening for years, but to say that are only just now reporting it is crazy. They reported it before, but they are reporting it a lot more now... because the number of incidents has increased.
There are already at least 3 incidents just among people I know. In addition, the police are reporting a fivefold increase of racially motivated hate crime in this country since the vote: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...increase-race-hate-crimes-since-brexit-result
PJV3
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I think I'm happy with The UKIP vote staying flat or being slightly lower, this is the victory honeymoon still. It should fall away faster in a few months, there's little talk of not leaving the EU to motivate the party.
Yet another U-turn a Corbyn led opposition has forced onto the government
Would you say he has all the best ideas?
Shut up. The police are reporting a 500% increase in reported hate crime, and that's just the stuff which is reported which is normally just the tip of the iceberg.
I know, I know, post fact world and all that.
FlammableD
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> be outraged at calling someone the n word
> use retarded in the same paragraph
He intended to use the French meaning, clearly.
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Oh my goodness I just watched the video =( what the hell
Tropic Thunder reference went flying so high above your head it's actually funny. Lol!> be outraged at calling someone the n word
> use retarded in the same paragraph
PJV3
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I don't know why it's suddenly hard to just say it's wrong, why Keep worrying about the reputation of a now finished campaign.
I thought she specifically ruled it out.
Palculator
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FlammableD
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Just goes to show how toxic the society truly is. Media painting it as rosy for god knows how many years. People finally opening their eyes. Im not shocked by this one bit.
Bony Manifesto
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Maybe EU is better without Britain? We'll take 48% of the intelligent people as refugees and build a wall around the island. It could work
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
I was calling someone the N word? You mad?
AHA-Lambda
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unrelated but is there hope?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36681475?SThisFB
edit: nvm spoke too soon
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36681475?SThisFB
edit: nvm spoke too soon
Maybe EU is better without Britain? We'll take 48% of the intelligent pople as refugees and build a wall around the island. It could work
I think you mean 'take the intelligent 48% of people', otherwise you're leaving 52% of the intelligent people behind and I sure as shit don't want to be one of them! ;-)
Palculator
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That's based on illegal handling of votes though.
Unless we can show that the leave campaign handled things illegally, not sure there's much to stand on. Unfortunately, lying to the public isn't illegal.
can we put this in the OP, sums up this shit show in a nice and fun way
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