No, with Gove it goes much much further. He is literally bought and owned by Murdoch. He's been a journalist for years working for his papers, he meets with him extremely regularly, he takes his directions from him. He is corrupt through and through. Loathsome man who would sell out of the country in a heartbeat - and has.
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No, with Gove it goes much much further. He is literally bought and owned by Murdoch. He's been a journalist for years working for his papers, he meets with him extremely regularly, he takes his directions from him. He is corrupt through and through. Loathsome man who would sell out of the country in a heartbeat - and has.
It's just coke. It'll wear off.
ferrasvansen
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Yeah was saying that to my dad earlier, maybe I was too dismissive of such theories, because he is sure as fuck ain't human.
Goldfishking
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Charles Dance for PM
Basically reaffirming that while the wording would allow us to discuss trade with the EU members, they won't.
A few replies to him said that EEA could be used in the interim, but I can't find any good source other than biased Leave sources. I wonder if there is any truth to that?
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Gove: "We get everything, they get nothing, Santa is real, he's on my team and he's giving out HANDJOBS for all!"
Basically. That Penny Arcade comic really has it's use!
Basically. That Penny Arcade comic really has it's use!
AHA-Lambda
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Easyjet begins seeking regulatory permission (air operator's certificate) to move HQ to another country. Although in Easyjet's case this would be a paper move largely, with most operations remaining in Luton under a UK subsidiary, but they'd need to move enough operations to meet the AOC requirements of the member state they move to (I imagine it'll be Ireland)
PJV3
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Nope, the opposite - no election till 2020. Partly because the party really doesn't want it now as their majority is so wafer thin (and it would give the SNP an even greater argument for Indy2).
I do think one will be called before 2020 though. Opinion polls seems to indicate that people think it should be before we start the leave process. May could spend the next 6 months playing hardball, come up short (as we know she will), then decide an election is needed and give her MPs a free decision on whether to stay in Europe or not.
No-one wants to do it. It's incredibly, impossibly hard and will cause economic disruption when invoked. For some of them it's just putting off the pain, for others it's about creating the space and time to be able to not ever invoke it in the first place.
Same reason Merkel said we should be given some time - the longer it goes, the easier it is to back out from it. One week from the referendum - impossible. 6 months from the referendum - much easier.
jakonovski
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Doesn't sound too bad at this point.
Funky Papa
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Michael Gove: "The only problem with Michael Gove is that he is too good."
Press crowd laughs.
"He's so clever and erudite."
ffs this country.
Press crowd laughs.
"He's so clever and erudite."
ffs this country.
JonathanEx
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Que?
Also nothing wrong with Buzzfeed unless you're looking for something to be annoyed by.
He's a Tory, most of them are sociopaths.
CyclopsRock
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We only just got the result this time last week. HOW CRAZY IS THAT?!
jakonovski
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Skulls for the skull throne!
Yeah, it's very possible the tories could gain seats in an election but I guess no one wants to commit because of how high the uncertainty is. There are also quite a few moving parts, would a Tory leader be happy with UKIP gaining seats at the expense of Labour? Lib Dems gaining seats? SNP holding all their seats in Scotland wouldn't be a good look for the union either...
Buzzfeed Politics coverage of the Brexit on twitter has been rather excellent actually. Highly recommend following https://twitter.com/jimwaterson https://twitter.com/AlbertoNardelli
Probably, but he is just plain weird.
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Yeah, Buzzfeed News in general is really solid.
EDIT: Ah, speaking of from that account:
Omg lol.
It is worrying that both Gove and May have said that immigration is more important than the economy for Brexit - which would mean no single market. Gove honestly believes this (he said it during the campaign), but for May to say would either mean that:
- she's trying to shore up her right flank and it's a bluff to get elected
- her anti-immigration stuff is from the heart and she'll use this as a mandate to carry it out
God help us all if the two leading Tory candidates both believe that I migrations is a bigger issue than the single market. They will happily take us over a cliff to pander to racists.
- she's trying to shore up her right flank and it's a bluff to get elected
- her anti-immigration stuff is from the heart and she'll use this as a mandate to carry it out
God help us all if the two leading Tory candidates both believe that I migrations is a bigger issue than the single market. They will happily take us over a cliff to pander to racists.
Oh...
Here's the link: https://www.matrixlaw.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Article-9-Dr-Erik-Lagerlof.pdf
ferrasvansen
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Yeah sounds like they are willing to sacrifice the economy to pander to the far right. Well at least it would certainly make the tories claim to have a safe hand for the economy well and truly finished, and would give the other parties tons of ammo for posters, billboards and TV broadcasts.
PJV3
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It's all abstract at the moment, if it's going to be really bad then I think they will pause.
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Oh my god, this is almost as good as the original.
The Friendly Monster
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And Labour aren't even contradicting this. It boggles the mind.
There is no mandate for ending freedom of movement, the referendum purely stated to leave the EU, and surely more than 50% would want and would have wanted to have the Norway model over the WTO organisation.
ferrasvansen
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It's a blank cheque.
And it can't be questioned no matter how damaging it is, amen.
Politicians aren't *that* stupid. They've seen the data. They know Leave won because of immigration. They have to emphasize stopping immigration in order to get votes.
Bony Manifesto
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And Osborne has now said his plan to return to a budget surplus by 2020 must be abandoned because of Brexit. Fuck me. It look as if, out of everybody on the Conservative side, Osborne seems to be the big winner from all this.
ferrasvansen
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Oh snap!
GamerMax73
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While I love and absolutely get the reference, I can't help thinking how apt shortening to 'TIT-Co' would be
(emphasis on the 'tits').
Majority of labour voters voted to remain. Labour needs to accept that it's voting base from the 70s has changed, and it isn't coming home unless they make massive changes (I.e. Blair 2).
It's a shame that demographically we were about 20 years away from being another USA. every prediction on the current trends had us overtaking the USA in terms of minority groups. That would allow for labour to move to the Obama coalition to win elections. Unfortunately we aren't there yet, and it's less likely we ever will be because of Brexit.
(A Pole friend of mine turned down a job yesterday because why would he ever move here now? )
If this referendum has shown anything it's that our political class is totally venal and self centred. Seeing if they will destroy the economy forever and ditch free movement because they are too scared to tell the public the truth will be their final test. I don't think you could construct a greater gap between "doing the right thing" and "doing the thing best for your career" if you tried.
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