If UK leaves, UK is 0% out of EU budget. Get the gun away from your head!
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The UK votes to leave the European Union
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If UK leaves, UK is 0% out of EU budget. Get the gun away from your head!
Jimbob Smalls
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Same as the people who voted to stay in as they didn't want to show their passport on their annual holiday to Benidorm.
yeah fucking idiots. lol emigrants that already in uk wont go anywhere
these idiots just want to get drunk and eat the benefits.
Of course it's risky. Problem was that the risks being talked about were all basically 'economic insecurity beckons', and the people most likely to win the vote for Leave were already living in perpetual economic insecurity.
Voting without understanding the issue is worse than not voting.
People who didn't vote are idiots for not taking the time to inform themselves
People who voted out are also idiots if they expected NHS money or a radical change on immigration policy, which it seems a lot of people DID think by all the brexit remorse we're seeing now
I definitely see the latter as worse
GoldenCrow
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Just some random thoughts:
Even though it was a leave vote that was one hell of a close win 3% that is around a million people difference, that is nothing. How that plays out over the coming years could become very messy.
I was never against leave as I didn't think the EU was the be all and end all but looking at the utter lack of a clear message about the direction those who wanted to leave want to go or looking at their political histories and the views of the candidates representing the cause (yeah sides were crap) I could never have voted leave. Now we are now about to enter an utter political mess. It is going to be dire for a long time politically. The outcome could be radical or it could be a faux leave which is basically only in name and everything else remains the same. The former is what would be needed but short term everyone will get hit hard but long term could be good, especially the poor if it is the later then it wont be any different and a waste of time for everyone.
However watching British politicians getting absolutely bossed by American and Chinese dignitaries over the past couple of years I have no faith in any of them to create something new and worthwhile and most likely will allow for larger mass pilfering by foreign investment and be made their rent boys.
I think Europe will be better without us especially if more of the smaller not full up for it countries leave and the resource drains go. It will allow for the main core to do what they have wanted for decades. The larger it gets the more likely it is to fail the small it gets the more likely it is to succeed.
Work wise even though it is a disaster for myself I will adjust even though I have no idea what I have to adjust to but the politicians need to start now as uncertainty is only going to destabilise the markets and hit us all harder than it needs to.
To sum it up I don't think our politicians have what it takes to create a forward thinking progressive global looking foundation for the country. I hope I am proven wrong.
Even though it was a leave vote that was one hell of a close win 3% that is around a million people difference, that is nothing. How that plays out over the coming years could become very messy.
I was never against leave as I didn't think the EU was the be all and end all but looking at the utter lack of a clear message about the direction those who wanted to leave want to go or looking at their political histories and the views of the candidates representing the cause (yeah sides were crap) I could never have voted leave. Now we are now about to enter an utter political mess. It is going to be dire for a long time politically. The outcome could be radical or it could be a faux leave which is basically only in name and everything else remains the same. The former is what would be needed but short term everyone will get hit hard but long term could be good, especially the poor if it is the later then it wont be any different and a waste of time for everyone.
However watching British politicians getting absolutely bossed by American and Chinese dignitaries over the past couple of years I have no faith in any of them to create something new and worthwhile and most likely will allow for larger mass pilfering by foreign investment and be made their rent boys.
I think Europe will be better without us especially if more of the smaller not full up for it countries leave and the resource drains go. It will allow for the main core to do what they have wanted for decades. The larger it gets the more likely it is to fail the small it gets the more likely it is to succeed.
Work wise even though it is a disaster for myself I will adjust even though I have no idea what I have to adjust to but the politicians need to start now as uncertainty is only going to destabilise the markets and hit us all harder than it needs to.
To sum it up I don't think our politicians have what it takes to create a forward thinking progressive global looking foundation for the country. I hope I am proven wrong.
ExtremePopcorn
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Entirely my point! They conned people! They have no control over budgets but kept spouting lines about more money for schools and hospitals like they did.
ExtremePopcorn
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Way to just completely ignore everything I said, not that I'd expect anything else from you.
paperboywriter
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So the choice for many was risk it all or status quo? Ballsy.
it is a negotiation you go in hardball, that leaves you wiggle room...Cameron could learn a thing or two from that
Audioboxer
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We should still plaster people like that over papers and social media. Even if just to shame them.
Plus sadly, he's not 1 out of a total of 20. Quite a lot of anti-immigrant rhetoric going around.
Yeah. Sorry but this is not happening. The earlier you realize this the better.
Darkstorne
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Then you weren't watching any of the debates. It came up repeatedly, and Boris always said he wasn't lying about it, and then swiftly moved on to another of his big three points. That was always his tactic. Challenged on one lie? Swiftly pull out a different catch-phrase for guaranteed applause from the Brexit half of the crowd. If the Remain camp still wouldn't drop it, then he'd claim they were continuing "project fear".
£350 million --> Uncontrolled immigration --> Take back control
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It's your fault if you didn't pay attention, or didn't take 5 minutes to Google the claims the Leave Campaign made.
TsunamiOfSwagger
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Except we will never know, because they won the vote. It doesn't matter if it's 0.01 or 100% of a majority. The majority of the people who actually voted, decided that they wish to no longer be part of the EU.
I don't even know who you are talking about but I will assume you read someone say that.
The fact is remain voters didn't really vote remain because of world war 3, while the leave voters voted because of those things.
Just because some no name person said WW3 does not make it the face of remain campaign, while the thing about NHS and immigration were the face of leave campaign..RUN by leave campaigners.
Do you not understand the difference?
Relaxed Muscle
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It's the same political brinksmanship Boehner was doing with the shutdowns and debt ceiling hostage-taking in the US in order to retain control of his far-right crazies.
The difference? He made sure his bluff was never called.
I mean are you going to seriously say that one of the main talking points of remain was that leaving would cause world war three? Are you going to back that up with sources of multiple people claiming leaving would cause world war three? Did economic experts on the remain side suggest leaving would cause world war three?
You're not 'examining' shit.
I get it, I am just saying that both sides said stuff that they are both now receding on...
Cameron and his article 50 threat for instance
You can add yorkshire councils to that list of buffoons.
It came up repeatedly but remain still couldn't get it hammered home. If they did they'd have won.
Uh ofcourse they will demand free trade and restricted immigration.
No one doubts that, but it is not happening...which is what people are saying here.
Napoleonthechimp
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This is something catastrophic for countless unborn generations, not some football match we've lost.
In fact this kind of thing is what civil wars are started over.
geordiemp
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France and Netherlands will be next in the spotlight. I think far right extreme view people are equally easy to find no matter what country you are in.
Tower Hamlets is one of the poorest boroughs in the country. Proportion of child poverty stood at 49%.
70% Remain.
your'e prime minister said it, I think you would agree he was one of the 'main' players
Brexit' could trigger World War Three, warns David Cameron
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brexit-could-trigger-world-war-7928607
Ireland isn't a mess, they''re the fastest growing EU economy.
ExtremePopcorn
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No. One side, Leave, won the referendum and they are the ones that are backing down on its two main promises, policies or whatever you want to call them within 3 days of winning.
It's a con and you know it.
The weirdest thing for me is how the Leavers (talking about the politicians) are uttetly outpaced by the machinery and processes they jump-started. It's as if Farage and Co. decided to stay home today, meanwhile EU, Germany, Poland, Scotland and many more are already positioning themselves for the things that are to come.
Fastest growing because Ireland got fucked massively. Always easy to grow fast from a low starting point. Greece was one of the fastest growing at one stage too.
Ireland has improved a lot, but it's mainly Dublin.
EdwardTeach
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His point may have been that they are shit Universities.
There's a difference between playing hardball and going in with a list of demands so insane that the other negotiators would laugh at you.
I am fully aware people are upset, and I mean no offence to anyone.... I was asked what I would ask for as a leave voter...
you go in hard, you dont go in cap in hand asking what can you give us
Relaxed Muscle
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Where's the WWIII mention there?
Aside from the almost vil manipulation of Cameron's words, we can agree that he and his coleagues did a really bad job defending the Remain option.
Chances are they didn't think it would actually happen. That said, they cannot take action when they are not in power.
What are you talking about ? Neither France or the Netherlands are having a referendum to leave Europe any time soon.
edit : Turkey and Albania joining the EU ? Yeah you've been brainwashed.
TatteredHat
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Voting to leave and then trying to postpone the whole thing until October is ridiculous. You wanted out, so don't dilly dally at the front door. Hopefully the EU will be able to expedite the implementation of Article 50 sooner rather than later
Except that our leaders are not dumb enough to have a referendum on leaving the EU. There's a single party shouting for leaving the EU in the Netherlands, and because of racist remarks towards Moroccans by the party leader no other party wants to cooperate with them anymore, it's not going to happen.
Except that our leaders are not dumb enough to have a referendum on leaving the EU. There's a single party shouting for leaving the EU in the Netherlands, and because of racist remarks towards Moroccans by the party leader no other party wants to cooperate with them anymore, it's not going to happen.
For "Taking their country back!" They've been brainwashed with this for months.
all I know of is that MEP saying about immigration? Farage about the 350 million, TBF we all knew the 350 million was a headline baseless fact.... but both parties made spurious claims and had the vote been to remain, the debate would of turned to their promises etc
Portugal is way better now actually. The threat of sanctions is a little bullshit but our deficit is getting in place.
Mess isn't what I would qualify us as. Even if we could be better obviously.
Yes, but it's very far from a mess or some kind of basket case like it is being portrayed.
Yes because a rushed decision with nothing in place to replace the incredibly complex deals and mechanisms that are already in place will be super helpful to everyone. There is an awful lot of work to do for thousands of companies and organisations.
Relaxed Muscle
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I have the weird feeling they planned to have Article 50 as a bargaining deterrent to negotiate a new special membership inside of the EU.
But the EU would rather to leave UK behind than allowing this farce.
Yup, I feel that way too. Cameron never intended to actually leave, anyone who thinks so is silly.
Nationalism is one hell of a drug unfortunately.
So? There's plenty of really poor boroughs that voted to Leave too, in very large numbers. Rather than point to individual boroughs, I'll just point to Lord Ashcroft's polling, which shows that:
The AB social group (broadly speaking, professionals and managers) were the only social group among whom a majority voted to remain (57%). C1s divided fairly evenly; nearly two thirds of C2DEs (64%) voted to leave the EU.
A lot of people are/were voting 'against the government', not thinking about the consequences.
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