You will see an England comeback to the EU (Scotland will be a member before that) with the full EU package (Schengen, Euro, etc) in 15, 20, 30 yyears...who knows
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The UK votes to leave the European Union
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You will see an England comeback to the EU (Scotland will be a member before that) with the full EU package (Schengen, Euro, etc) in 15, 20, 30 yyears...who knows
They won't. That's just wishful thinking just like no one else will really start any negotiations with the UK until they actually know where they'll stand in 5 years
Jimbob Smalls
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It upsets me that people who live in a democracy don't understand how it works.
You have one vote, use it for your own reasons or lose it. Respect the other guys vote.
pls happen
hoping with this, all the u-turns, petitions ans general uncertainty something is done.
Darkstorne
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Oh? Did I and all the other ecologists I work with and employ not lose our jobs after all? Am I imagining this? Well, if you say so, I guess I must have been mistaken. The environment sector has nothing to worry about after all. Clueless Leave voters say so, and they never spew lies.
Not a single job was lost, and this campaign was won without a single shot being fired, right?
PdotMichael
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It's quite remarkable that not small anti-Germany sentiments were part of the Brexit movement.
Waiting will only hurt UK, because people don't like to invest in countries with uncertain future.
PackAPunchedMick
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Cameron & co spent millions and millions of pounds campaigning to sway me into voting remain, nothing they said, did or otherwise could convince me, so, I fell back onto what David Cameron, Blair, Major and chums has done to me over the years. the right thing to do? revenge?
My life, my families lives and the friends of my families lives have been subject to Camerons lies and cuts, cuts, cuts for 5 years, almost destroying them as human beings.
Nothing from which leaving the EU will ever come even close to what ive seen friends and families go through.
Coming from a working class background and being on this planet for the majority of the EU membership I see nothing that has benefited me personally and tbh i see thats how many people voted, not through blind racist views, not through hate of the Tories. Just simply a gamble that could get no worse for the working class. Most have seen rock bottom, ive been one of the fortunate ones and it ceratinly wasnt down to EU law.
If only Brits had more black people this wouldn't be such a catastrophe
White people fucking it up for everyone because of their racism
Gemüsepizza
Member
I really, really hope that they will find a way to make this work. What a nightmare for the UK.
you and your people are going to find out over the next few years that rock bottom really wasn't.
sincerely, good luck. you're going to need it.
jamieson87
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Article 50 invokes negotiations. Thats the point. You can't negotiate until it's invoked. Every day we wait Britains position will weaker and I think we'll enter whilst shallow - a long period of recession.
Napoleonthechimp
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PackAPunchedMick
Member
Your poll is somewhat incorrect, Black and White ain't a religion :/
Racism indeed, what an agenda.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Seems Scotland and NI parliaments have a veto... https://twitter.com/jimfitzbiz/status/746722921125654528
What does the EU have to do with UK establishment? Isn't that what the GE is for?
PdotMichael
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Very smart leaving the union which did more for those people than the very own government.
But muh irrational bullshit...
Put it this way you've got the Scottish Tory press pack like Alex massie saying there should be a new ref and they'd have to think hard about how they voted
This will just cause resentment from both sides and lead the kinds of situations the EU was created to prevent. If we want stability and peace in Europe the EU should work towards having the best relationship possible with the UK government/people. Even if they are not inside the EU. Same goes for every democratic country out there.
You don't create peace with a "us vs them" mentality.
Negotiations only start after article 50 is actioned.
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PackAPunchedMick
Member
"We're in this together"
jamieson87
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I'm sure that will sit well with the 18 million who voted leave.
Democracy has taken its course. The result of the referendum should be respected.
>-Baron-Spamedi-<
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Not really. Lots of the leave voters are disaffected working class people who would have been considered left wing Labour voters.
They feel abandoned by Labour as it has aligned itself more with the City and with the middle class lefties
They almost certainly dislike Gove and Johnson but have found a cause that will give a bloody nose to the establishment.
I've yet to talk to anyone of any political stripe who thinks favourably of Farage.
ProfessorMoran
Member
How do you explain your graph showing Sikhs voting to leave?
Not sure if you're being serious...
SporeCrawler
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How is it a zerosum when a country like germany or france will gain more tax revenue, more people in jobs and more influence on the world economy? UK in a recession does not matter for EU that much anymore. Its a third country
CyclopsRock
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Lol, "meeting after meeting". That's what strong campaigns are all about; meetings.
Napoleonthechimp
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Accepted and respected are different things.
Carl2291
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It doesn't show how many of those Sikh's are white, and thus, racist.
Checkmate.
When was the last time our government respected us?
Bobnob
Member
Your right man, us white out folk are nothing but racist!
how small is your mind?
Darkstorne
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Gemüsepizza;208315552 said:
Sadly it won't happen. It would be political suicide and raise all sorts of questions about democratic processes. The public's faith is at an all time low regarding politicians being self-serving with not a care in the world for what "regular" people want. Their hands are tied here. They HAVE to side with the public majority if they want to start rebuilding faith and begin fixing where all of this went wrong.
The best outcome we can hope for now is a "special relationship" with the EU, which looks almost identical to what we already had, yet costs us more financially and means we don't get any say in European affairs at all.
>-Baron-Spamedi-<
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Kadayi
Banned
I laughed.
This thread could do with a bit of levity. We're barely 2 days past the result and the doom-mongering has gone way past the point of hysteria
People need to work through the first four stages of grief over the result and get onto the last three because this is clearly happening.
I don't know what the F is going to happen come Monday when I go back into the office or over the next few months, but I don't see the point in moping about how things have played out. Better to look at the possibility space going forward and the new challenges a post EU UK will bring.
Xenophobia isn't limited to white people you know.
ProfessorMoran
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It's a "third country" with 65 million consumers.
Yes that's true but the vote has been cast and the results are in so why should the EU be the one who fixes the siuation when the UK already has one of the best deals in the union and always gets their way?
SporeCrawler
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Uhh first start a referendum with a leave campaign painting europeans as poor uneducated poopers that want that british wellfare. Leave wins. Now suddenly europeans need to be nice to the british?
so? US has 320 million, china and india have more than 1 billion, Japan has more than 100 million, south korea has more than 50 million.. Dont act like 60 million is an impressive number
NI won't veto it. DUP wont let that happen.
Relaxed Muscle
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I'd say the right-wing of the country made an excellent work of blaming to all their austerity meassures, that they willingly implemented, to the EU.
PackAPunchedMick
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16,000,000 voters are in agreement with him, now that's the scary part.
Screaming Meat
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People want change, sure, but they hate difference. The political establishment, the ones who have ignored them, are the Tories though. They cut them into the ground. Now they've paved the way for the real mutants in the party to cut them down further.
Jimbob Smalls
Banned
Some need to calm down. Plenty of countries perfectly fine outside the EU. Relax.
Next step, remitiralize the Ruhr.
While I agree EU will try to compromise, I don't give theUK as much leverage as you seem to.
Just curious, what would you consider a "good" deal?
I got called a Paki once by a black dude...lol
It's the only time some called me a Paki.
how many of those tied their economies to the EU through all of their membership benefits and then tossed them away for no discernible reason?
ProfessorMoran
Member
Because business is business and this isn't about spite or justice, or even principles, it's about putting your countries in the most advantageous position and major EU member countries like Germany and France would want a good trade relationship with UK and forcing the UK into a worse recession isn't good for anyone.
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