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The UK votes to leave the European Union
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Not really a veto but we could refuse to amend the Scotland act by the Sewell convention Westminster isn't suppose to override the Scottish Parliament on things devolved to it, if they tried we'd be independent before the week is out
Yes or no we like our parliament it's relatively collegiate relatively well run and if Westminster gives it the end around there would be civil disturbance at the very least
that had already been inside the EU?
The Incarnation
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I find people like you are to blame for the rise of the ultra right wingers like Trump and the Brexit (Britian First bunch)
You don't give a fuck about the poor white working class. Who have more in common with the blacks over here frankly, one of the reasons why they're so many mixed race people over here. Even the person who shot the MP had a mixed raced brother.
But yeah it's just the white peoples fault. Sikhs aren't exactly white either, who largely voted to leave.
yeah parliament voting to ignore their own referendum is will set alight a 'stab in the back' grievance politics that leads us only to prime minister farage. idiotic.
That's exactly why the campaign is such a farce.
It's a vote to leave the EU when the people aren't voting to leave the EU. They're protest voting against the government.
It's ridiculous, and the laughable thing is. It doesn't change the government. It only gives them even more power to screw over the poorer areas of the north even more.
PackAPunchedMick
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Ask again in a number of years, the EU will be a thing of the past. Once the United Kingdom shows the world that being Independent was the best thing they ever did.
The French are next.
There's also this petition on the official government site that has to be taken very seriously after a record breaking 1,8 million (soon 2 million) signed for a second referendum with more sensible rules:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
politicians do not always act in their own purest economic self-interest. the people running france and germany have every reason to disincentivize leaving the union.
So this was the German 100 year plan all along, but this time without a war !
Just because you think nothing has happened yet doesn't mean nothing has happened. It rather suggests that you're blind to the reactions of business and governments throughout the world, including the reactions of governments and political parties in the UK. Our Prime Minister has resigned, triggering a non-democratic election of his successor, in all likelihood a complete buffoon with a serious nasty streak. There is a serious threat to the leader of the opposition party. The third biggest party is pushing very hard to break up the union.
Nothing has happened. Pfft.
I'm not as old as you, and did not live through the miner's strikes. You do realise that there are thirty years of people younger than you, at least, who are going to be effected by the decision you have made?
Ding ding ding. Right on the money.
Seems like wishful thinking.
Ironically, I think Brexit will make the EU stronger than ever
RedSparrows
Member
The irony is strong with this one.
You can't just leave and expect everything to be the same or better, you understand that right? EU has to show that it isn't ok to leave and get all benefits anyway. Also this has created anger towards the UK in other countries, probably more than you think and the people i've talked to want you out and with a shit deal
ProfessorMoran
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Some sort of arrangement for the financial sector.
Compromise will happen, obviously the UK isn't going to come away unscathed but both sides will work towards the status quo.
No we're not. At least not in the foreseeable future. Please educate yourself.
lol
That's exactly how they got played.
The EU wasn't the bad man here. Your completely inept government was - across the board, for decades. Yet, they managed to convince people, especially those struggling and therefore vulnerable to populism, that it's all the EU's fault and made them vote against their own best interest.
Napoleonthechimp
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48% of the UK is already doing that to the other 52%.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
deleted. Sorry, someone trolling. There's enough misinfo already.
PdotMichael
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Only that the status quo favoured the UK for decades.
That's not gonna happen again anytime soon.
That's magical thinking. This might as well be the end of the EU or the refoundation in different terms with a different composition. Nobody knows. As for the part about being independent being the best thing UK ever did, you're absolutely right. And Scotland and Northern Ireland will claim the same prerogative.
PackAPunchedMick
Member
Funnily enough the UK said this exact same thing Wednesday night.
So many people voted for Independence... from the ECJ.
jamieson87
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I voted remain, after toying with the idea of leave for a while.
Politically and economically the UK, and the EU are entering uncharted waters.
It would be silly for the EU and the UK not to work together in each others interests during the negotiation period.
Even after the UK leaves the EU, we will both be heavily reliant on each other, there is no denying that.
What needs to happen now is for the conservative party to appoint a new leader, and form a negotiating team. This needs to happen quickly. There is some talent in the tory party, and some utter buffons. I hope the party choses well. I'm not entirely sure that they will.
Politically and economically the UK, and the EU are entering uncharted waters.
It would be silly for the EU and the UK not to work together in each others interests during the negotiation period.
Even after the UK leaves the EU, we will both be heavily reliant on each other, there is no denying that.
What needs to happen now is for the conservative party to appoint a new leader, and form a negotiating team. This needs to happen quickly. There is some talent in the tory party, and some utter buffons. I hope the party choses well. I'm not entirely sure that they will.
Jimbob Smalls
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The fact they didn't means they are ok, free to explore all opportunities without prejudice. How many countries HAVE tied their economies and are completely and utterly in the shit?
SporeCrawler
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why? dont they have a big incentive to make UK miserable in order to demonstrate that leaving the EU will fuck the economy big time?
People keep saying that Parliament refusing the EU referendum would be political suicide but I keep seeing posts upon posts of reports of people wishing they switched their vote to remain, the petition asking for a second referendum, the news reports that the leave campaign lied about leaving the EU actually affecting immigration, etc.
Isn't it possible a lot of people have changed their minds after the shit that's happened the past couple days? Would it really be as suicidal as people are saying?
Isn't it possible a lot of people have changed their minds after the shit that's happened the past couple days? Would it really be as suicidal as people are saying?
And leave England behind as a bonus.
If we want peace in Europe the EU does need to keep good relationships with the UK. Doesn't mean they should give them everything for free but punishing them for leaving will just create more hostility. I'm really not a huge fan of the scare everyone into behaving tactics that the EU leaders want to use.
There are several other countries in the EU who are not fully happy and threats just don't seem like a good solution for stability and peace.
RandySquizzel
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If you were the EU and that is your attitude, then it's not a surprise the UK has already given you the middle finger.
The US still trades with China despite them spying on them and their human rights record, trades and has ties with Saudi Arabia despite their policies and fundamentalism, I could go on.
Why
In gods name
Would any EU country make their economies worse by not trading with one of the worlds largest economies where the chief countries behind the EU have huge stakes in our economy.
Money rules, no country is going to make themselves poorer, no government would ever do this it is political suicide, economic suicide.
I think the financial sector is the one point where France and Germany will want to change the status quo. They'd have a lot to gain from that.
I'm eager to see what compromise they'll propose.
A veto right would certainly be a nice argument on their side for having a new referendum approved.
PdotMichael
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Only that the UK is a troublemaker within the EU. Getting deals other nations could only dream about and they still voted to leave the EU.
UK will enter any negotiation tables with nothing in their hands.
Darkstorne
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A Human Becoming
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I see things are still testy here. Hopefully a week from now the market and people will have cooled down.
Things are going to be okay!
Things are going to be okay!
They threaten to Veto unless they are guaranteed a new referendum, I guess is the point. It'd be apparently political suicide for whoever steps into No. 10 to not follow through on the wishes of a 25% majority of the countries population.
It would be going against democracy if they ignored it which is rather bad. As sure people are showing signs of regret, but they can't quantify it at all.
If they pushed for a second referendum, or a general election happened in which the party who won states they won't leave the EU, then they could ignore the first vote without as many repercussions. That said, both of those options would take quite a while to organise.
Yet again you show your lack of knowledge regarding the structure of the EU. Contrary to the myths and BS floating around the EU is not the new German empire. Yes they have the most clout but they can still be outvoted in the parliament and committees. Yes they can veto decisions, just as any other member state can,but at that point Germany will basically be signing the death warrant for the EU as other countries will decide they don't need to be in anymore if the UK is getting all the benefits without having to pay for anything.
I repeat - If people think we can get everything we want without paying anything in return they're living in an utter fantasy world. We have much more to lose here than the EU does.
PJV3
Member
They would be mad not to grab that lolly for the EU. Wouldn't take much to make leaving the city very enticing.
It would be funny if scotland vetoes england.
Napoleonthechimp
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They shouldn't. Them being admitted into the EU is the only saving grace for a lot of us in England.
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