Again, this isn't board game night. I mean are you suggesting the whole of the UK did not know how Article 50 works before they voted they wanted to invoke it?
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
The UK votes to leave the European Union
- Thread starter Spring Drive
- Start date
- Status
Again, this isn't board game night. I mean are you suggesting the whole of the UK did not know how Article 50 works before they voted they wanted to invoke it?
I have said it before, and people can ridicule all they like, if they do a deal that allows free movement, they instantly piss off the 17 million that voted leave....
if it comes in nothing has been achieved, except we are worse off for everyone, we voted to leave, you may not like it but we did, so a solution has to be found going forward that is as good as can be outside of the EU without free movement
I have allready said free movement of Labour could be a way, but GAF dont like this either, so no point going over it again
To be clear, The Tories almost overnight took hold of larges swathes of the traditionally labour bases. Boris Johnson is immensely popular.
The next budget is probably going to be an eye opener. We'll see if vast sums of the country, go 'right, we expected it to be bad in the short term, and that's what we got'; so basically giving carte blanche for more austerity measures. And I wonder if they will feel empowered.
If that were true he would not have pledged to hold a referendum in the first place.
It's his pride that got us here.
I think this is the first rage comic I have seen in years.
GamerMax73
Member
I don't know enough about German politics to draw parallels, or labour rules enough to comment properly. All I can say is that we are effectively a two-party state and the shadow cabinet isn't so much of the fantasy job. It's an important part of British politics, sure no real power but the major influencer of power.
According to Sundy Politics, Beeb news right now, they need 46 Labour MP's to trigger a leadership election. Each resignation is a nail in that coffin.
The Simpsons are the best at this.
I mean, leave voters could've thought about this before. What it actually means to leave the EU. The Norway example is nothing secret.
Oh they'd give them the Norway deal in a heartbeat, the Norway deal is so favourable to the eu it's unreal, Norway puts up with it because their oil and gas revenue allows them to
You're vastly overestimating the intelligence and traction of this 17m. Expect large swathes to fall away in the next few years.
So is there some kind of clear set of red lines that has been laid out to the Government, to assist with their negotiations?
All I saw in the leave campaign was "we don't like them foreigners"...not sure that's much for them to work with.
Napoleonthechimp
Member
nm misread it.
There is no reason why EU won't accept a Norway model for UK.
But what do you think differentiates freedom of labour vs freedom of movement?
That you get sent back if you don't have a job? In that case the UK already has it, it's a 3 month limit.
morning
I keep seeing this over on Facebook over and over - 'LOOK WE ARE FINE, LOL'
This chart is going to be more telling
A) When Article 50 is invoked
B) Two years later the day we actually Leave.
-Plasma Reus-
Service guarantees member status
Ah I see.
morning
That's still lower than when the referendum was called in the first place. If we remained, we were likely to see recovery. Getting back to a shit level is not a thing to celebrate.
Cool do the ftse 250 nextmorning
I can't see any scenario where there is patience. I'd be stunned if the electorate see anything but an improvement in their current standing as a massive betrayal. One which Farage will be waiting in the wings to capitalise on no doubt.
I think that's the most frustrating thing for me. I understand the anger, I understand the resentment for the way people are treated. I just don't understand how this could ever have been the logical conclusion.
These are not concerns for Leave voters. Immigration is key, and they want immigrants out.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...ferendum-petition_uk_576f8b28e4b0232d331e1b39 That referendum guy has made another one because leave are using it improperly.
The FTSE is also in pounds.
They also like to ignore the fact that this cost £250 billion.
hydrophilic attack
Member
Yes, the bolded is what a Brexit vote means. Well done.
Sure, but it's still a positive (in these weird times). Gives all the parties a bit more air to breathe at least. Doesn't mean companies won't leave the UK of course but it's better than nothing.
GamerMax73
Member
At 39 I'm old enough to remember the end of Thatcher (good riddance) and the bumbling Major years. I also recognised at the time the hard work and the good the Lib Dems actually did during the 2010 parliament.
Perhaps the only good thing to come out of this referendum is that it seriously curtails the Tories ability to push through further socially crippling reforms while they have to concentrate on managing their way through this mess instead.
Audioboxer
Member
People are that fucked a statement of saying having Osborne or May over Boris is hope?
Thank fuck Scotland will likely be going independent. England, I'll "pray" for you.
affleck1981
Member
Why does it seem like only the SNP had a plan for what happened if the UK voted to leave?
As a norwegian I have to say that the norway deal is an absolute farce and only acceptable because of oil and gas propping up the economy.
We are the best EU member to adopt all regulations, but we voted no twice to keep our "independence". Good luck doing that when all your trade is towards the most powerful economic bloc on the planet. Blows my mind why people in this country don't get that.
We are the best EU member to adopt all regulations, but we voted no twice to keep our "independence". Good luck doing that when all your trade is towards the most powerful economic bloc on the planet. Blows my mind why people in this country don't get that.
Because nobody actually did
Darkstorne
Member
And you can defend your comments that immigrants don't like to work but just want benefits with "well Leave won so stop complaining" all you want. That's never been part of my issue with everything you're saying. Everything you're saying about why Leave won is bollocks.
KonradLaw
Member
That can't be right. They might set up such rules for goverment contracts. Or ban working for below minimum-wage. But EU wouldn't let them simply ban people from setting up prices lower than local people.
Germans tried to enforce that polish truck drivers would have been paid the same as german ones while driving on german roads and it was struck down by EU for example.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Yeah. The coming years are going to prove that being an isolationist is an incredibly foolish concept.
hydrophilic attack
Member
At first I can't believe how this guy just continues to play himself.
Then I realize he's a Brexiter
That's what I've been saying. UK is not Norway. No country is like Norway. A Norway deal would be the least painful outcome but I don't think the UK will even get that.
shinra-bansho
Member
There's this thing where other countries have their own populations and desires. Strange I know. You voted for what you're getting. An exit.
No one has to give the UK everything it wants and special treatment because reasons.
Your idea of "free movement of labour" is people immigrating into your country, working, paying taxes and having no access to services. And you don't realise why people think you're being ridiculous.
Your "solutions" are not solutions. They are fantasy.
Again, the UK can choose to lose access to the single market, if it wants. Or it can try to stay within it, outside of the EU. Either way it reaps the corresponding requirements and benefits, or lack thereof.
mehrmantrout
Member
The obvious thing was not to open the floodgates to the ascension countries, like every other EU country
https://twitter.com/aishagani/status/747004756799950848
Aisha S Gani
‏@aishagani
On Friday my niece was on a field trip. A man shouted at school girls: "So is this a **** Islam fishing group?! Where's the white people?
This is what the leavers unleashed. Not even kids are safe
Aisha S Gani
‏@aishagani
On Friday my niece was on a field trip. A man shouted at school girls: "So is this a **** Islam fishing group?! Where's the white people?
This is what the leavers unleashed. Not even kids are safe
Starwolf_UK
Member
Sorry if this feels being ganged up on by hey everyone wants to kick the bucket in thier own way.morning
Zoom out the graph a tad, 3 months, 6 months, 12 months, 5 years...
To say the day closing the same as it opened is business as usual misses the point that over the last few months it was already down because of the uncertainty of Brexit winning, problems with economic growth in general and also the fact we're not gone yet (speaking of which if by 2019 we're still not finished negotiating an exit we should be able to vote for our MEPs as well).
Of course that market is a fluid force and a lot of matters make it move but I'm a bit sick of the naive rhetoric that "oh its the same as <2 weeks ago therefore it is normal; stop panicking. nobody lost their job.".
Legit question: Is it wise to hold a Ref for Independence that Scotland may win whilst there is absolutely no guarantee any EU status would be granted? Would this not damage the Scots and put them in a worse position given the current climate?
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Pass, I assume it would affect building firms (in this example) who employ people from multiple countries more than an individual person setting their own rate to a private individual.
With all due respect, it's not business as usual at all. And we really need not spin things.
FTSE 100 is down 3.15%. How much less well off are we now?
FTSE 250 is down 7.19% How much value has British business lost now?
Now compare those two figures to where it would have been on news that Remain had won.
Now factor in how much the turbulence has caused to central banks across the world.
Then also note that BoE had to front up $250bn to shore up the currency market.
Add to that the fact that all UK banks lost a huge amounts in one day. As well as builders [ironically].
Then could you also remind me about GDP projections post Brexit leave win?
Of course all of this was expected. And it's actually not as severe as it could have been. But please do explain how this is business as usual.
hydrophilic attack
Member
Because they seem to be the only competent UK party at the moment
Heckler456
Banned
Huge swaths of people just aren't educated about the matter. They'd much rather read The Daily Mail or The Sun, and watch Quiz Show variant 213 while getting angry at "others" than actually be healthily engaged in the future of their country. I mean, some of the buffoonery you hear coming out of some of these people's mouths... It's truly astonishing.
Fucking scary.
ferrasvansen
Member
Yeah there were reports of school kids etc being abused, hard to believe this is the UK of 2016, Churchill will be turning in his grave.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
Yeah it is fucked. Boris is deceitful and that makes him electable.
The others can't hide it like him behind a veil of buffoonery.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
So you are suggesting for unskilled labour, automation is not going to be a massive factor 20 years from now?
Note, I'm not one of these ULW nuts, nor do I feel that skilled trades will be replaced by robots, like ever.
But it's ridiculous to think that we are going to have an abundance of lower skilled jobs in 20 years time. It's not going to happen.
Goldfishking
Member
morning
and that's before taking into account the effect before brexit and the fact that we haven't even started the leaving process.
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked