I imagine most Scottish people would be happy with how it was before this mess if we don't follow through with Brexit. Independence is still the nuclear option for many.
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The UK votes to leave the European Union
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I imagine most Scottish people would be happy with how it was before this mess if we don't follow through with Brexit. Independence is still the nuclear option for many.
52% want to fuck themselves up and take down everybody else in the process. Why should I have to accept that or move?
Audioboxer
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I'm not a political expert. Is there anything that can be done to fix or reduce the damage being done?
What about reversing the decision?
I'm sure someone already suggested it but the thread is so big and moving so fast
If by the damage being done you mean the financial markets going tits up, well, our Government going into hiding and having no plan isn't helping.
Some short term stability won't come about till the Brexit cowards/Cameron/Osborne show face and no, not via writing horseshit articles in a newspaper.
IdreamofHIME
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I think the Scottish people are tired of elections. 4 in 3 years is ridiculous and 5 in 4 would be pushing the limits.
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This is the best outcome for all.
ferrasvansen
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Yeah it will happen just not now, we need some recharge time, in a few years when we are all rested it's game on.
MatrixMan.EXE
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Yup. I find it pretty disgusting. Which is why I was so disappointed in the likes of Abbott on Question Time earlier saying we must accept the people's decision, as if we're not staring at incoming economical ramifications that will negatively affect generations upon generations for decades.
Reducing the stance to 'sore losers' is just disgraceful. Y'all be the same people talking about how you're struggling financially or having to leave the country in 5-10 years time, but it's okay because your upheld your democratic values, while the nation burned around you. Please.
lol
Love this line
"It's the first time after a decade of hate mail from Britain, we are flooded with love emails," said the diplomat.
Alx
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They need to clearly state "we'll never trigger it" though... as long as that sword will be hanging to a thread, the market will continue bleeding money.
And that's much worse deal than what we have right now.
Which is why this whole thing is much a farace, these idiots never expected to win and just wanted to use this as a political move. Hell even Cameron used the referendum as political move to win last year.
If there was ever an example of aristocrats fucking up the commoners to play their little game, this was it.
Air Zombie Meat
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Yes please. If no one can come up with a credible plan that resembles what people voted for then theres no point in doing it.
geordiemp
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I don't like it and if it does happen yes, the likelihood is that I'll try and move. Doesn't mean I have to accept the vote or bow to 30% of the country's will, especially when that will is to fuck up my future and remove so many of the rights I was born with.
Principate
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If they do that the conservative party is dead in the water, you cannot renage on the major point and purpose of the brexit, come back even worse off deal and not expect people to leave you enmass to UKIP. This is the conversatives main demographic that voted for this, and why truly don't want to do anything. That entire promise shot them in the foot. If they the conservatives killed that they wouldn't be in any problems blamed on UKIP's lies and craziness and moved on as they didn't promise jack but they did it with no forethought whatsoever and now they will pay the price either way.
ferrasvansen
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Just wait, when it comes to crunch in the Commons and the facts are in front of them, they cannot do anything that knowingly damages the UK, they will just need to lay it on the table, no fancy talking down to us plain and simple, we sign this our economy is fucked, no pussyfooting around with technical terms etc.
Norwegian_Imposter
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Anyone seen this? http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36637037
ferrasvansen
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Yeah Brexit ain't happening anytime soon.
You've got to remember that now we now exactly how a Brexit would play out and we know that Farage is a liar. Any politician worth their salt would easily hammer in the fact that UKIP lied to us and their chances would be diminished greatly.
What the fuck is this shit? http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...er-the-brexit-vote/ar-AAhE8xs?ocid=spartanntp
Some of those anecdotes man.
Are leavers that fucking dense that they think that because they voted to leave the EU that anyone know native English is going to be forced out of the country? That's not what they even voted for. What a sad fucking bunch.
Some of those anecdotes man.
Are leavers that fucking dense that they think that because they voted to leave the EU that anyone know native English is going to be forced out of the country? That's not what they even voted for. What a sad fucking bunch.
BrainZEROX
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So two years of half-assed politics and shit with a member that may or may not leave but still has power over EU's guidance. You should really go UK, you're a f* pain in the ass to deal with... De Gaulle was right all along.
The conclusion of the vote should be that the UK is divided on EU membership. Not that there is a mandate to leave.
Ok 17.4m voted to leave, but 16.1m voted to stay.
The conclusion is that we should meet in the middle.
My preference would be to offer to increase our contribution to the EU budget quote substantially (30%+) in return for a cap on EU NET migration of 100,000 per year on a first come first serve basis.
That deal I'm sure would be good enough to get public opinion well in favor of remain, plus the EU gets more money to play with.
Ok 17.4m voted to leave, but 16.1m voted to stay.
The conclusion is that we should meet in the middle.
My preference would be to offer to increase our contribution to the EU budget quote substantially (30%+) in return for a cap on EU NET migration of 100,000 per year on a first come first serve basis.
That deal I'm sure would be good enough to get public opinion well in favor of remain, plus the EU gets more money to play with.
Bobnob
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Don't be silly.
Principate
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The asian countries are directly competing with one another and they really don't like one another
Which is terrible as the longer uncertainty remains the worse it will get. It's not as easy as the UK gov ignoring it - the fact the public are against it means it could happen any time through an electoral victory.
Labour have already said they'll leave and real Leavers will campaign on it too.
jellies_two
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MIght be better to link to the article the BBC summarizes:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...much-that-britain-is-part-of-europe--and-alw/
Boris, loathed as he is by some Remains, makes good points. Just look at that graph of leave vs stay and consider it isn't nearly as cut and dried as London vs the country or other simplistic conclusions.
SporeCrawler
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No this is the worst outcome because no company will ever invest in a country which may or may not leave the union and therefore loose access to the single market today, tommorow or in a year.
Also within the Union UK will have zero say on anything
Audioboxer
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Oh hell no. The one good thing about this mess was getting rid of that Porker. Although I wish it had been a next day resignation... you know like the arrogant but classy in this case Salmond had to do.
Just had a thought, if my partner agrees to it in the future then maybe I'll move to the silicon valley after I finish my PhD. I'll have a better life and they pay higher wages there anyway. But it will depend on her since I wonder what kind of hoops she will have to jump through to become a lawyer there.
ferrasvansen
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Nothing silly about it, Johnsons article pretty much confirms this. No one is willing to trigger article 50, shitebags the lot of them.
PJV3
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kippers telling others to hold hands and sing kumbayah as they sink the ship is Hilarious, also Trump supporters chiming in can fuck off.
Yeah, it's easy for them to say things like that because in or out, people like Abbott won't feel a thing. I find it infuriating when people say just accept it and move on. Especially when the vote to leave was based on series of blatant lies and moronic reasoning.
That's the thing, no one will give a flying fuck about upholding democratic values when they are suffering. People will wish the vote to leave was ignored. I find it hard to believe that someone who loses their job and lives a life of poverty as a result of leaving the EU will be patting themselves on the back and saying "well, things are bad, but at least I respected democracy".
Audioboxer
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Speaking of which I started the Silicon Valley comedy show recently. Fun stuff. Wasn't what I was expecting.
Principate
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Noone on the wnning side truly cares unless they regret their decisions. A majority is a majority in a democracy as long as the rules stipulate it's enough. The only people that truly give a shit about that are the losers and the regreters. You rarely see people overtern or ignore a election if it was too close proprtionally but reached the majority with the system.
Heckler456
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The only surefire way I can see from where I'm sitting to remedy this is for the UK to become a full-fledged member of the EU. Joining the Schengen zone, adopting the euro, ...
So yeah, I think the UK drove themselves into one hell of a corner.
nature boy
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Improbable, but someone has to put country over party.
Better the devil you know
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Leavers don't care about money though. And the government cares more about money than anything else. Plus, we've lost the card we once had. No more perks or compromises coming from the EU.
SporeCrawler
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Asians are the prime example of how not to do it.
Koreans, Japanese, Chinese, Taiwanese etc. have much in common but they hate each other and cannot trust each other. Also there is always possibility of war there.. Chinese warships are threatening the integrity of the waters in the south chinese sea, north korea is. Ticking time bomb, japan and south korea have territorial dispute etc. Etc. Asians are not a role model quite the contrary it would be benefitial that at least taiwan, japan and south korea get into a union, but that wont happen.
Also dont forget that the ASEAN already have a system similar to the EU.
Assuming she's a British lawyer, there is a very high chance of having to retake courses for American law.
I'm a lawyer in a commweakth country that has similar law to Britain, and even then I'd probably have to study for six months in approved courses to prove myself competant in the UK law specifically.
So it might be a a really big hurdle.
It's why I've always hated the papers and have wanted tougher regulation, it's basically propaganda and i'm not sure why it's allowed.
Theonik
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Perhaps people should have thought this through before voting.
Lol, that's not how it works. You can't just cherry-pick how it suits you best.
Full access to the common market only in return for full free movement of people.
The EU won't grant the UK anymore concessions or opt-outs. Not when it threatened with Brexit and not after that threat was made reality.
You may have noticed that the Brexiteers are the ones suddenly backpeddling...
Leavers do care about immigration, sovereignty, etc. It's clear that to get anything back if we actually left both of those wouldn't change at all. The government needs to show that Farage and his ilk are liars and there would never be any chance of us "taking back our borders" like leavers want us to.
Personally I'd rather be put on the naughty step for a few years than kicked out onto the streets.
Captain Smoker
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Just for fun, an analysis that was published published before BREXIT. (HSBC)
Never listen to experts.
http://www.businessinsider.de/hsbc-...s-leave-brexit-eu-referendum-2016-6?r=UK&IR=T
[x] David Cameron resigned
[x] fall of the euro
[x] FTSE 100 nosedive
[x] Corverative turmoil
Rest is yet to be seen.
Never listen to experts.
http://www.businessinsider.de/hsbc-...s-leave-brexit-eu-referendum-2016-6?r=UK&IR=T
[x] Pound collapsing
[x] David Cameron resigned
[~] 10% initial drop
[x] fall of the euro
[x] FTSE 100 nosedive
[x] Corverative turmoil
[x] uncertainty -> fall in investments
Rest is yet to be seen.
Ironically given the current events, the only reason Greece didn't drop out of the EU in the first place was that overwhelming majorities of Greeks believed in and supported the EU even while their country was being sold off by them.
It's the European ideal, after all!
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