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[Crumpo]

1) Invoke article 50 (someone, anyone)
2) Start discussions with EU

That's the plan. The point of the 2 year timeline is to figure out everything else during that period. Someone just needs to start the whole thing. You can't know all the details beforehand.

It's really not possible to have more of a "plan" for something as unprecendented as this. Even ignoring the lies, The Leave campaing was only able to lay out some possibilities of what will happen, not any guarantees. So go on with it and see it through.

There's something called "preparation"...I don't build a house without knowing which builders to call when I decide to build it, how many rooms I want in my house and how much my budget is.

We don't even have enough negotiators in Whitehall to cover the basics in 2yrs; in a BASIC plan for Brexit leave should have set out how they'd negotiate a deal.

They had no plan because they never expected to win.

 

[ferrasvansen]

Nah, it'll be fine. Johnson said so.

Oh yeah good point, everything will be just fine then

 

[danowat]

Now this is worrying...

Credit card spending 'drops since Brexit'
Posted at
09:24
There's been a "dramatic drop" in credit card spending in the UK in the days following the Brexit vote, says a Mastercard executive, quoted in the The National Business Review

"We had started to see travel picking up in the UK, had seen that kind of discretionary spending on jewellery and retail. To [see] that now fall off is quite concerning," says Sarah Quinlan, of Mastercard Advisors, which provides analysis of data from the credit card company.

Spending had begun to pick up when it looked like the Remain camp might win, she adds.

If spending falls badly we are fucked, economy will tank big style.

Spending is likely to fall, people don't like uncertainty.

 

[jufonuk]

I think today things will get rolling David cameron or Boris or Osborne will come out to make direct talks to the EU and work out a way we all benefit . Nothing's changed for me I have a plan now and sticking to it . Even if we stay in or out .

 

[Chinner]

Now this is worrying...

Credit card spending 'drops since Brexit'
Posted at
09:24
There's been a "dramatic drop" in credit card spending in the UK in the days following the Brexit vote, says a Mastercard executive, quoted in the The National Business Review

"We had started to see travel picking up in the UK, had seen that kind of discretionary spending on jewellery and retail. To [see] that now fall off is quite concerning," says Sarah Quinlan, of Mastercard Advisors, which provides analysis of data from the credit card company.

Spending had begun to pick up when it looked like the Remain camp might win, she adds.

If spending falls badly we are fucked, economy will tank big style.

I'm holding of spending to be honest. Had a few things lined up, will not be committing for awhile now.

 

[PJV3]

Well, my dad who is turning 70 this year is now not going to be able to retire. He'd already lost half his pension with Equitable life, and now what little there was left is even smaller. He voted remain, for clarity

That was one of my hopes to get out of this, pensions tanking and upsetting the grey vote.

 

[Crumpo]

Now this is worrying...

Credit card spending 'drops since Brexit'
Posted at
09:24
There's been a "dramatic drop" in credit card spending in the UK in the days following the Brexit vote, says a Mastercard executive, quoted in the The National Business Review

"We had started to see travel picking up in the UK, had seen that kind of discretionary spending on jewellery and retail. To [see] that now fall off is quite concerning," says Sarah Quinlan, of Mastercard Advisors, which provides analysis of data from the credit card company.

Spending had begun to pick up when it looked like the Remain camp might win, she adds.

If spending falls badly we are fucked, economy will tank big style.

My wife and I already cut all spending except food and petrol whilst we see what happens. Nobody spends money during times of uncertainty, all down the economic chain.

 

[Dougald]

I've cut all spending, my wife is facing redundancy

That was one of my hopes to get out of this, pensions tanking and upsetting the grey vote.

The older generation who haven't cashed out with an annuity yet have screwed themselves in that regard. And brought those who disagreed along with them

 

[ferrasvansen]

I'm holding of spending to be honest. Had a few things lined up, his ever will not be committing for awhile now.

Yeah same, economy is already fragile after 2008, this will not end well at all.

 

[twobear]

Michael Gove is a robot wearing a human meat suit, isn't he?

Gove is the single piece of compelling evidence that our leaders are reptilian aliens in human suits.

 

[liquidtmd]

There's something called "preparation"...I don't build a house without knowing which builders to call when I decide to build it, how many rooms I want in my house and how much my budget is.

We don't even have enough negotiators in Whitehall to cover the basics in 2yrs; in a BASIC plan for Brexit leave should have set out how they'd negotiate a deal.

They had no plan because they never expected to win.

This is the fundamental truth - they CANNOT invoke Article 50 because even if the political will was there, which it isnt, the lack of negotiators means at the end of two years we would have nothing.

Literally a framework that would fail on Day 1 and crush the country.

 

[avaya]

BARCLAYS hits circuit breaker.

RBS down 15%

Nothing big lol.

 

[YourMaster]

Really that is on the leave side to sort that out, it was in Cameron's best interest to basically leave and say, there you go, good luck.

No it's not, it's up to the government. What people keep forgetting is that a referendum isn't voting a group of people in power. The reasons why people vote one way or another might be completely different from the ones argued by the (main) campaigners on that side.

The government has asked the people a question on how to deal with that matter, and they've gotten an answer. When you ask somebody if he wants some tea, you have to get that tea yourself when he says 'yes please'. Not say 'Fuck that, tea is bad for you, I'm leaving, I'm sure my replacement will get you your damn tea'.

 

[30yearsofhurt]

From Guardian ticker:
Michael Fuchs, a senior figure in Angela Merkel’s CDU party, told the Today programme this morning that if the UK wanted to retain access to the single market once it left the EU, that would be possible, “but not for free”. According to the BBC, he went on:

You have to see with Norway, with Switzerland, you have to pay a certain fee. And the per capita fee of Norway is exactly the same as what Britain is now paying into the EU. So there won’t be any savings.

Michael Fuchs giving no ... well you know.

 

[GamerMax73]

https://twitter.com/SkyData/status/746700869656256512?s=03

Dear 18-24 age group, you done fuckup.

Yep, that's the answer right there. If all the 18-24's who didn't vote, voted remain there'd have been enough of them to over turn the majority of 18+ voters who voted leave - NOT.

 

[oti]

Boris Johnson on Leave immigration plans
Posted at 10:40

Boris Johnson also says there's been "confusion" over the weekend "about the status of people living in this country".

He says those people "have their rights protected" as do those British people working abroad.

All the Leave side wants to see is an immigration system "that's fair, impartial and humane to all people coming from around the world", he goes on.

Can we have access to the single market without free movement, someone shouts as he leaves.

"Absolutely," Mr Johnson replies.

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-36570120

 

[jufonuk]

Gove is the single piece of compelling evidence that our leaders are reptilian aliens in human suits.

Thought the Vulcan looking dude was too

 

[liquidtmd]

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-36570120

He is insane

 

[RedSparrows]

No it's not, it's up to the government. What people keep forgetting is that a referendum isn't voting a group of people in power. The reasons why people vote one way or another might be completely different from the ones argued by the (main) campaigners on that side.

The government has asked the people a question on how to deal with that matter, and they've gotten an answer. When you ask somebody if he wants some tea, you have to get that tea yourself when he says 'yes please'. Not say 'Fuck that, tea is bad for you, I'm leaving, I'm sure my replacement will get you your damn tea'.

It wasn't an election, no. But it's disingenous to suggest that the campaigns had no power or influence, and it's also disingenuous to campaign on a platform, assuming an air of responsibility and control and making PROMISES, and then saying 'oh we don't know what to do, why should we?'. And given that it's about such a crucial, contentious issue, Cameron has, just to round off the fucking ego game that's ruining us, said 'fuck you'. Not statesmanlike, but then again, would he be 'trusted' to 'take back control'? The air is clouded with emotion, technicalities don't wash. At all.

All the Leave side wants to see is an immigration system "that's fair, impartial and humane to all people coming from around the world"

Excuse me, but where did we not accept non-EU migrants as well? Since when was the cry for reduced immigration genuinely about levelling the playing field? This is sophistic bullshit.

 

[Xando]

From Guardian ticker:
Michael Fuchs, a senior figure in Angela Merkel’s CDU party, told the Today programme this morning that if the UK wanted to retain access to the single market once it left the EU, that would be possible, “but not for free”. According to the BBC, he went on:



Michael Fuchs giving no ... well you know.

So much for the "They have to give us a special agreement because we're Great Britain" crowd

 

[Ovek]

Now this is worrying...

Credit card spending 'drops since Brexit'
Posted at
09:24
There's been a "dramatic drop" in credit card spending in the UK in the days following the Brexit vote, says a Mastercard executive, quoted in the The National Business Review

"We had started to see travel picking up in the UK, had seen that kind of discretionary spending on jewellery and retail. To [see] that now fall off is quite concerning," says Sarah Quinlan, of Mastercard Advisors, which provides analysis of data from the credit card company.

Spending had begun to pick up when it looked like the Remain camp might win, she adds.

If spending falls badly we are fucked, economy will tank big style.

Considering I was going to buy a new car & house relatively soon and now I'm most certainly not and many of my friends have similar sentiments about big borrowing/spending... yep were fucked.

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-36570120

This guy is a top idiot, I swear. That isn't happening. And to think he will end up being the leader of this country to boot.

 

[Chinner]

BARCLAYS hits circuit breaker.

RBS down 15%

Nothing big lol.

Lloyds is down 8%,

Well, it looks like the Lloyds sell off is...off!

 

[SporeCrawler]

Which in my country The Netherlands a lot of people also want a Nexit ref. People are underestimating the disgust with the EU as it is today on the mainland itself.

Is there a realistic chance that will happen.. Even after seeing how the markets react to the brexit? Long term it will be even more devastating.

 

[ferrasvansen]

This guy is a top idiot, I swear. That isn't happening. And to think he will end up being the leader of this country to boot.

He has lost it, not a chance we get that all for free, would collapse the EU as everyone would leave.

 

[Visualante2]

If we can fight wars we can surely arrange an army of pencil pushers within 2 years. For once the civil service will actually have to do their job within the deadline.

 

[ferrasvansen]

Is there a realistic chance that will happen.. Even after seeing how the markets react to the brexit? Long term it will be even more devastating.

No Netherlands relies entirely on EU for business, they have next to no outside trade. They would literaly be sent back to the dark ages if they left, plain and simple.

 

[Ovek]

So much for the "They have to give us a special agreement because we're Great Britain" crowd

We were never going to get a ludicrous "special deal" of the EU in the first place as it would only invite more idiotic countries breaking away.

 

[oti]

I'd love to know whether top EU diplomats are laughing or crying right now.

 

[RedSparrows]

We were never going to get a ludicrous "special deal" of the EU in the first place as it would only invite more idiotic countries breaking away.

We had one anyway.

D'oh!

 

[ferrasvansen]

I'd love to know whether top EU diplomats are laughing or crying right now.

Judging by Merkels ally on radio 4 today, laughing.

 

[Burgess_101]

No it's not, it's up to the government. What people keep forgetting is that a referendum isn't voting a group of people in power. The reasons why people vote one way or another might be completely different from the ones argued by the (main) campaigners on that side.

The government has asked the people a question on how to deal with that matter, and they've gotten an answer. When you ask somebody if he wants some tea, you have to get that tea yourself when he says 'yes please'. Not say 'Fuck that, tea is bad for you, I'm leaving, I'm sure my replacement will get you your damn tea'.

I get the line of thinking but these are people with ideologies and careers to protect, I don't think the metaphor holds.

The Tory party continues with or without Cameron in charge and he doesn't see the benefit of staying so he leaves.

 

[Cizard]

Is there a realistic chance that will happen.. Even after seeing how the markets react to the brexit? Long term it will be even more devastating.

Very unlikely. As far as I know there's only one party that wants it (maybe two? would SP go that far? they're anti-europe but I don't think they want out) and they have nowhere near the power to make something like this happen.

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-36570120

I require free movement to do my job. Fuck the dick heads who want it gone.

 

[EdwardTeach]

Considering I was going to buy a new car & house relatively soon and now I'm most certainly not and many of my friends have similar sentiments about big borrowing/spending... yep were fucked.

Spending on any large purchases is definitely going to be depressed.

Forget consumer spending though, business spending will shrink and foreign direct investment is going to plummet. We are definitely going to fall into recession.

 

[avaya]

I'd love to know whether top EU diplomats are laughing or crying right now.

Laughing. This is going unbelievably well for them.

 

[Spladam]

Just finished reading the entire thread, I know everything there is to know about this, and have become an expert on the UK. Thank you GAF.

 

[danowat]

Just finished reading the entire thread, I know everything there is to know about this, and have become an expert on the UK. Thank you GAF.

There you go guys, at least one of us knows what the hell is going on!

 

[GamerMax73]

2nd Referendum hypothetical question in September

If there's a second referendum, it won't be that early. Assuming we get the PM question and negotiating team squared away by the end of this year (which I'm personally doubting) then I think an 'are you sure' referendum, if they're even legally allowed to hold one, wouldn't come much before 2018 at the earliest.

There are no quick fixes to this cluster fuck.

 

[Pankratous]

Just finished reading the entire thread, I know everything there is to know about this, and have become an expert on the UK. Thank you GAF.

So what would you vote if you were in the UK? (Your post makes it sound like your not )

 

[eEK!]

The Independent (famously left wing and pro-remain) have tried to be "middle of the road" on Brexit for a little while.

They allowed Farage to write a piece for their "Voices" column talking about why we should leave etc as well

The Independent (and the Guardian) is full on Right at the moment, you've just forgotten what socialism is after so many years of Thatcher-lite.

Unfortunately Corbyn thinks he's above politics, which isn't a great position for a Politician to take.....

tldr: we're fucked.

 

[oti]

Laughing. This is going unbelievably well for them.

Too well. Think about it, we now find out that one of the three most important members of the EU is a trainwreck.

 

[justjohn]

I'm surprisingly calm now after the despair of the last few days. Still think we all need to wait till everyone has calmed down and then get down with the negotiations.
Hoping for a deal that eventually pleases both remainers and leavers but I honestly can't think of one.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Just finished reading the entire thread, I know everything there is to know about this, and have become an expert on the UK. Thank you GAF.

Can you negotiate with the EU for us? Because nobody else seems to know anything!

 

[liquidtmd]

I'd love to know whether top EU diplomats are laughing or crying right now.

They probably would be a damn sight more worried if the UK Government had a shred of credibility right now, as a Government with a plan or desire to destabilise Europe to get what they want on the back of this public declaration could have been a bitch to handle and negotiate with.

As such, the EU heads are probably pretty chill. They see the UK Government right now and likely laughing, albeit darkly

 

[Krixeus]

Just finished reading the entire thread, I know everything there is to know about this, and have become an expert on the UK. Thank you GAF.

Must have been a really long dump!

 

[FStop7]

Just finished reading the entire thread, I know everything there is to know about this, and have become an expert on the UK. Thank you GAF.

You probably know more about it than Farage and Johnson.

 

[liquidtmd]

If there's a second referendum, it won't be that early. Assuming we get the PM question and negotiating team squared away by the end of this year (which I'm personally doubting) then I think an 'are you sure' referendum, if they're even legally allowed to hold one, wouldn't come much before 2018 at the earliest.

There are no quick fixes to this cluster fuck.

Legally they can hold one every week, but obviously that would be insanity.

I said September because I was under the impression once Article 50 is invoked, thats it and Legal - a Referendum after that happens would be pointless, no?

 

[Tak3n]

Sky News

Osbourne is conflicted right now, he wants to be chancellor, but he knows if he stays in the cabinet when new leader is chosen it would break David Cameron, and make him feel totally betrayed

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Sky News

Osbourne is conflicted right now, he wants to be chancellor, but he knows if he stays in the cabinet when new leader is chosen it would break David Cameron, and make him feel totally betrayed

Doubt a new leader would make him Chancellor anyway. None of the Leavers would and May hates him.