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[PJV3]

I know I'm miserable but Martin Lewis is getting on my nerves he should get a job at Butlins.

 

[Sickboy007]

Well, he could say it's none of anyone's business but that's bollocks in his position. If he refuses to answer he most certainly voted leave.

He campaigned for Remain and already said he voted for it! Did he have to bring a camera into the booth? Really, this is the definition of propaganda, repeat a lie until someone believes it.

 

[Audioboxer]

England losing will be taken as an activation of Article 50.

LOL.

 

[Pandy]

Nothing, can't happen. the next general election is in May 2020. The only exceptions are:

• the new Tory lead gains permission from parliament to hold an early election
• Parliament votes no-confidence in the new Tory leader and his/her cabinet, and confidence isn't restored within 2 weeks

In all likelyhood. New PM in September - parliament will grant an early election shortly after (assuming Labour's go their shit together by then).

I still don't think any of the politicians are thinking about Brexit with respect to the general election, just that now seems like a good opportunity to consolidate/get into power.

If it happens, it's going to be a clusterfuck.

 

[Camoxide]

While England, Wales, and the UK as a whole voted for this, the situation in Scotland and Gibraltar might cause some Nationalists to take pause.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36639770

If you want to keep the country together, you might not be able to act on the non-binding referendum. It was indeed a show of support for the idea from a majority of voters UK-wide, but keeping Scotland in the UK and not crippling the overseas territory of Gibraltar/causing chaos there should win over some of the more rational and logical leave voters.

I doubt that most of the leave voters care about Scotland or Gibraltar.

 

[oti]

He answered on the day itself, which I'd expect a journalist to have checked

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/745886722987294720

How could a journalist check this? Isn't that super illegal?

 

[Pancake Mix]

When one side won by completely missleading the public and nothing they've said is even remotely possible, I'd say it's fairer to redo.

That's some mental gymnastics to feel better about trying to get the result you want. The only hope is that Article 50 is not triggered by Cameron's successor.

I doubt that most of the leave voters care about Scotland or Gibraltar.

You don't think nationalist voters would care about the UK breaking up? I doubt that.

 

[Burai]

yeah but he doesn't look quite as cheerful as i should like, off with his head imo

And he didn't wear a tie either, the cunt.

 

[Purkake4]

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[Micael]

When one side won by completely missleading the public and nothing they've said is even remotely possible, I'd say it's fairer to redo.

Also after having seen the argument that a second vote would be undemocratic I still have no idea why the first vote is democratic but the second one isn't, even if several things hadn't been exposed as lies, isn't a second vote just as democratic as the first vote?

Then again what do I know I still see democracy role in the world as being a form of government to hopefully better the lives of people, instead of being a religion that needs to exist and be upheld despite all logic.

 

[jelly]

He answered on the day itself, which I'd expect a journalist to have checked

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/745886722987294720

Well, that's fine then. Storm in a tea cup.

 

[Condom]

https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/747496441795481600

I also heard Jeremy Corbyn ate babies and supplied North Korea with AK47s, publishing tomorrow in the Daily Mail.

Also new reports show that he knew he is unelectable since he was a toddler after being picked last in gym class. He kept it secret because he hates Labour and hates Britain.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

ooh Corbyn is on BBC

 

[Audioboxer]

How could a journalist check this? Isn't that super illegal?

They can't but they'll write about knowing anyway and just say "sources".

The general public will lap it up.

 

[ferrasvansen]

ooh Corbyn is on BBC

Yeah haven't spotted a Labour banner or poster yet, just Swp, momentum and other groups, he is toast.

 

[GamerMax73]

How come Leave now wants free movement? Wasn't that like the biggest issue they had with the EU? People coming to Britain from other countries to work there.

We've just worked out we need skilled workers when we reopen the coal mines after getting rid of those pesky EU health and safety laws....

 

[cormack12]

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Official that we are moving back in time. Just hit 1996 geocities confirmed.

 

[Raven117]

America-GAF is getting to know Scotland exists!

Most of us saw Braveheart dude.

Spoiler

yes, Im joking around

This is a fascinating story, and I can see it going in any one of a million directions.

I think there will be some violence in London before its all over.

For the British-Gafers, keep an eye out for your personal safety over the next few days...might get rough.

 

[TomWaitsForNoMan]

How could a journalist check this? Isn't that super illegal?

Checked by making a cursory twitter search, not dusting ballot papers for prints, obviously

 

[theaface]

.

Where's Boris on his Boris* Bike?

*Ken

 

[PJV3]

They should stop pinning this EU shit on Corbyn, it was a long time coming, austerity took off the anger handbrake.

Nazis murdering an MP wasn't enough of a headline grabber to change minds.

 

[Burai]

I doubt that most of the leave voters care about Scotland or Gibraltar.

After the press smear campaign on Scotland and the SNP leading up to the last referendum and the last general election, you'd probably be right.

 

[BossDarkseid]

I have to admit that the name "Shadow Cabinet" makes it sound way cooler than what it turned out to be.

Imagine if the BBC Panorama show did some expose on the Shadow Cabinet and it turned out to be some Deus Ex style Illuminati who communicate in pitch black rooms or only by hologram situations.

It sounds arrogant for one side, or one person, to say what's actually best for the country...but I wonder if people would take a longer period of austerity (let's pretend at the current level) in order to help out the North East and places that are suffering from high levels of unemployment, regardless of any EU subsidiaries or boogy men stealing their jobs.

I think anyone can respect the Democratic process, but I suppose it's like Socialism (admittedly from what I understand) in that the ideal is fantastic but...eh.

We, as a country, may recover in years or decades to come, but there will be eternal bitterness over the way that this affects people since it's so much bigger than just your local MP. As much as 51.x% (?) voted to Leave it somehow feels brutally unfair to force the results of that upon the 49% + whoever didn't vote (even if people think their opinion doesn't count).

To my mind, Remainers complaining or protesting etc and demanding that they think things through or begging them to turn back isn't undemocratic. If the UK is supposedly not a nation of quitters then why do they expect people to take it lying down?

Oh well. Need to take mind off things a little so time to watch our glorious national team ride to victory.

 

[Purkake4]

Where's Boris on his Boris* Bike?

*Ken

It was short notice, I'm sure they have a Boris one by now as well.

 

[Camoxide]

London was the world's financial capital, according to Global Financial Centres Index, even ahead of New York. This was partly because London was like a gateway between the EU and the English-speaking world. If London takes a beating, then so does the world economy, especially the EU economy. And now it's safe to say London is no longer the world's financial capital after Brexit.

The world economy is heavily dependent on stocks and shares, just as much as assets and funds. Many economists are predicting a global recession.

An global recession caused by (up to) 17m people not understanding what they were voting for.

What a sad time to be British.

 

[theaface]

Anyone else watching the crowd at the England game and thinking "bet you all voted leave"? Just me?

 

[avaya]

They should stop pinning this EU shit on Corbyn, it was a long time coming, austerity took off the anger handbrake.

Nazis murdering an MP wasn't enough of a headline grabber to change minds.

An MP, who wanted to get rid of Corbyn too. She was pure Labour.

 

[SuperGamer]

Butbutbut we have our Britain back! If 'our' means Nigel Farage's and Britain First's, and if 'Britain' means tracts of the most deprived bits of England and what remains of Wales, and if 'back' means back to the tribal, fractured way it was before the Alfred the Great (Christ, some of these old people have fuckin' long memories ...)

Yaaaaaaaaaay.

It's sad to see centuries of shared history between England and Scotland end like this. And this time, it wasn't Scottish nationalism that ended the United Kingdom, but it was arrogant English nationalism that ended the United Kingdom.

 

[Joni]

In the meantime, diplomatic courtesy suggest some informal talks would probably be prudent to help expedite matters after we've sorted out our internal political problems.

Are you leaving? You haven't told us, Dear UK. We will help the minute you tell us. There are no informal talks because Britain simply isn't ready for even that and because the timing is there for a reason, you won't get a preferential treatment. Especially as the UK already had one with the last deal. It had a very generous one.

 

[Audioboxer]

After the press smear campaign on Scotland and the SNP leading up to the last referendum and the last general election, you'd probably be right.

Bro didn't the papers tell you, Sturgeon is the most dangerous woman in Britain? It's about time England kick us out of the UK to save themselves from Nicola.

She's got the Nukes and isn't giving them back.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

How could a journalist check this? Isn't that super illegal?

I'll only say this.

I've done a number of polling duty jobs in the past, including this referendum.

In Scotland anyway (I don't know if its the same everywhere in the UK) if one really wanted to, it would be possible to see who voted what. Probably illegal though.

Yeah haven't spotted a Labour banner or poster yet, just Swp, momentum and other groups, he is toast.

Fair point.

 

[Aureon]

The empire on which the sun never sets /crying Bulldog

Coming up next: Franz Ferdinand travels to Sarajevo - just WHAT will Sophie wear??

"This will be our indipendence day!"
"Do you realize that most countries that have Indipendence Day across the globe are celebrating their indipendence FROM the British Empire? You have no goddamn right to pretend you're oppressed, of all countries on the goddamn planet, not you."

 

[PJV3]

An MP, who wanted to get rid of Corbyn too. She was pure Labour.

He's going. But the PLP had better wake fucking up and address some of the stuff that really brought us to this nightmare.

 

[TomWaitsForNoMan]

He's going. But the PLP had better wake fucking up and address some of the stuff that really brought us to this nightmare.

Owen Smith is on telly talking about "the progressive case against freedom of movement" so keep dreaming

 

[Hazzuh]

You wouldn't even realise we'd just left the EU from listening to Corbyn's speech. Jesus fucking christ.

 

[Acorn]

The thing I don't get with Corbyn is why would a guy like him not be pro remain?

Same reason as Tony Benn, clement atlee etc. They are very big on sovereignty.

 

[Audioboxer]

While Westminster is engulfed in political turmoil and party infighting, the SNP Scottish Government is working tirelessly to deliver what Scotland voted for – to stay in the EU.

Here’s how.

http://www.snp.org/taking_action_to_ensure_scotland_s_place_in_the_eu

 

[maquiladora]

The thing I don't get with Corbyn is why would a guy like him not be pro remain?

Labour Eurosceptics accuse Corbyn of reversing his position on EU referendum

Jeremy Corbyn has been accused of abandoning his “natural and historic” position over Europe by committing the Labour party to campaigning to stay in the EU in the forthcoming referendum on the UK’s membership, Eurosceptic MPs have said.

...

“We were joined on many occasions over the last 20-odd years in the lobby when we were doing our bit to oppose the various treaties and issues which were furthering EU domination of our country. Jeremy was always with us and John McDonnell was always with us,” said Hoey.

...

Stringer said Corbyn’s stance was “not his natural position or his historic position” and revealed that he would be meeting Corbyn on Wednesday afternoon to make the leftwing Eurosceptic case to the Labour leader.

In quotes: Jeremy Corbyn and the EU referendum

Mr Corbyn has expressed Eurosceptic arguments in the past - in 1993, he spoke out against the Maastricht Treaty which established the European Union and moved towards economic and political union.

The treaty, Mr Corbyn said, "takes away from national parliaments the power to set economic policy and hands it over to an unelected set of bankers who will impose the economic policies of price stability, deflation and high unemployment throughout the European Community".

He voted against the Lisbon Treaty in 2008, and in one article on his website, said the EU had "always suffered a serious democratic deficit".

....

In another debate, hosted by the Fabian Society, he said he had "mixed feelings" on the EU, and at a hustings in Warrington said he would not rule out campaigning to leave.

 

[Camoxide]

That's some mental gymnastics to feel better about trying to get the result you want. The only hope is that Article 50 is not triggered by Cameron's successor.



You don't think nationalist voters would care about the UK breaking up? I doubt that.

A lot of the nationalist are English nationalist. There was a lot of people saying that they would vote to kick Scotland out of the UK if they could. A lot of these people are unbelievably self centred.

 

[Morat]

He's going. But the PLP had better wake fucking up and address some of the stuff that really brought us to this nightmare.

Yup, he's done for now. I don't think he deserved the vitriol thrown at him, but he's done for. I'm worried that they'll choose a new leader whos' idea of moving forward will be pandering to popular prejudice to regain votes.

 

[GamerMax73]

Hardly official at all. 4 days after the referendum, no-one in the Tory party is going to say reverse the decision. The EU knows this as well, hence Merkel's tolerance for us taking our time.

I know I'm partly in denial here, but until Article 50 is triggered we are not leaving the EU, and the more and more the economy craters the less likely that is - especially if the EU is clear we can't have access to the single market without freedom of movement.

I don't know. As much as I'd like to see a magic bullet that erases the events of the past four days - Cameron is still the PM and everything that has come out of his mouth since Thursday as said that the vote stands, it's official, we're leaving. The expectation is on a Pro-Brexit PM in September triggering Article 50.

There is absolutely nothing but wishful thinking to suggest any other outcome at this point in time.

Now, if someone like May ran for the Tory leadership and openly said - 'I don't want to trigger article 50' and 'I'll call an early election' - then there'd be hope for some optimism and a climb down from the current official we're out status.

Let's wait and see whats said by the leadership hopefuls when they announce their candidacy on Wednesday/Thursday.

 

[SuperGamer]

"This will be our indipendence day!"
"Do you realize that most countries that have Indipendence Day across the globe are celebrating their indipendence FROM the British Empire? You have no goddamn right to pretend you're oppressed, of all countries on the goddamn planet, not you."

Also, Britain was only a global economic power because it colonized a quarter of the world. When it lost its colonies, Britain went back to being a tiny irrelevant island. It was Commonwealth immigration that rebuilt the UK from the ashes of World War II and then joining the EU that re-established the UK as a global economic power. But now that the UK has chosen isolation, it will go back to being a tiny irrelevant island.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Pretty sure we lost our top tier rating because Republicans kept playing chicken with the debt ceiling (we have to raise the limit of the amount we can borrow every so often) in order to gain political concessions (blackmail) from democrats, which would have resulted in a default if they were successful.

So yes, political stupidity does hurt the rating, probably one of the reasons why Britain also does not have the top credit rating anymore either

We did lose over the government shutdown however things are bad enough that it has been promoting yield rallies so it may actually lower the countries cost to borrow. It'll still gut the economy but government lending could become cheaper.

 

[Acorn]

A lot of the nationalist are English nationalist. There was a lot of people saying that they would vote to kick Scotland out of the UK if they could. A lot of these people are unbelievably self centred.

I wish they would kick us out.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

A lot of the nationalist are English nationalist. There was a lot of people saying that they would vote to kick Scotland out of the UK if they could. A lot of these people are unbelievably self centred.

Fine by me right now

 

[PJV3]

Owen Smith is on telly talking about "the progressive case against freedom of movement" so keep dreaming

Well there is a case if you believe in using the state for planning and providing services.

 

[ferrasvansen]

I wish they would kick us out.

Yes please I would be so very sad, but I would gradually get over it....

 

[SuperGamer]

A lot of the nationalist are English nationalist. There was a lot of people saying that they would vote to kick Scotland out of the UK if they could. A lot of these people are unbelievably self centred.

The Little Englander nationalists are unbelievably arrogant. When you've the Scottish, Irish, Londoners and Europeans all uniting against Little Englanders, then it's clear that English nationalism is the problem here.

 

[kmag]

Owen Smith is on telly talking about "the progressive case against freedom of movement" so keep dreaming

International workers unite in solidarity, no borders brothers, mind stay where you are though lads.

 

[Juicy Bob]

I would've been gutted if Scotland had voted for independence after the indyref but I would not blame them at all if they broke away now. Not for a second,