How could a journalist check this? Isn't that super illegal?
Just because he said he voted to 'Remain' on twitter. Carries about a as much water as a paper bucket without a base.
How could a journalist check this? Isn't that super illegal?
Owen Smith is on telly talking about "the progressive case against freedom of movement" so keep dreaming
Owen Smith is on telly talking about "the progressive case against freedom of movement" so keep dreaming
This is freakin fantastic quote. This is how you express anger here ladies and gentlemen."Do you realize that most countries that have Indipendence Day across the globe are celebrating their indipendence FROM the British Empire? You have no goddamn right to pretend you're oppressed, of all countries on the goddamn planet, not you."
Yup, he's done for now. I don't think he deserved the vitriol thrown at him, but he's done for. I'm worried that they'll choose a new leader whos' idea of moving forward will be pandering to popular prejudice to regain votes.
I would've been gutted if Scotland had voted for independence after the indyref but I would not blame them at all if they broke away now. Not for a second,
Anyone else watching the crowd at the England game and thinking "bet you all voted leave"? Just me?
I don't know. As much as I'd like to see a magic bullet that erases the events of the past four days - Cameron is still the PM and everything that has come out of his mouth since Thursday as said that the vote stands, it's official, we're leaving. The expectation is on a Pro-Brexit PM in September triggering Article 50.
There is absolutely nothing but wishful thinking to suggest any other outcome at this point in time.
Now, if someone like May ran for the Tory leadership and openly said - 'I don't want to trigger article 50' and 'I'll call an early election' - then there'd be hope for some optimism and a climb down from the current official we're out status.
Let's wait and see whats said by the leadership hopefuls when they announce their candidacy on Wednesday/Thursday.
I still don't think any of the politicians are thinking about Brexit with respect to the general election, just that now seems like a good opportunity to consolidate/get into power.
If it happens, it's going to be a clusterfuck.
I'm sure they won't, but they have to convince people they won't get left to rot anymore.
I would've been gutted if Scotland had voted for independence after the indyref but I would not blame them at all if they broke away now. Not for a second,
Couldn't bring myself to watch the game after all this. Any sense of national pride has been knocked out of me.
Agreed. I must admit, I didn't really understand why Scotland wanted independence last time, but after seeing the insanity surrounding me over the last few days, I think their politicians are the only ones doing a decent job and not behaving like toddlers.
Labour barely ever had that base, and it was small percentage wise, their better off doubling down on remain which is the reason a lot if not most people would vote for them in a auick electionLabour determined to go fuck themselves.
Agreed. I must admit, I didn't really understand why Scotland wanted independence last time, but after seeing the insanity surrounding me over the last few days, I think their politicians are the only ones doing a decent job and not behaving like toddlers.
If that's all they've got, it'll be a lie.
He tweeted he voted Remain. Unless he admits it himself, or they have a recording of him admitting it in private, I won't believe it for a second.
Of course, I'd be much more inclined to believe them if they hadn't unsuccessfully spent the last two days trying to pressure him out of office.
The definition of an unprovable lie.
We'll see I suppose!
They wanted it because the English can not be trusted. Turns out they were right.
Have we discussed that we've had our credit rating downgraded by Standard and Poor's to AA?
It's all going very well.
Have we discussed that we've had our credit rating downgraded by Standard and Poor's to AA?
It's all going very well.
In all honesty, how could anyone look at Boris Johnson and Farage, and go 'yep, these guys seem as though they have it together. I'll vote for them'
I honestly can't believe that actually happened.
Hardly official at all. 4 days after the referendum, no-one in the Tory party is going to say reverse the decision. The EU knows this as well, hence Merkel's tolerance for us taking our time.
I know I'm partly in denial here, but until Article 50 is triggered we are not leaving the EU, and the more and more the economy craters the less likely that is - especially if the EU is clear we can't have access to the single market without freedom of movement.
The ongoing shitshow in England is so depressing to witness, I'm glad we get these updates from Scotland to break things up. Your short term is even more uncertain than ours, but past that there just seems so much promise. Perhaps I'm naive, but I think this could even work out to Scotland's benefit, and in future it'll be England following Scotland's lead (or begging you to re-form the UK).
The Little Englander nationalists are unbelievably arrogant. When you've the Scottish, Irish, Londoners and Europeans all uniting against Little Englanders, then it's clear that English nationalism is the problem here.
If Iceland win then people will have nothing to distract them from the shitshow, should be great.
We've been assured by Leave that credit ratings are meaningless, and with no impact on reality.
If Iceland win then people will have nothing to distract them from the shitshow, should be great.
Alight that's enough optimism, what's pig fucker up to?
You know, a majority of people in England and Wales might simply not like the EU or feel attached to the continent, regardless of dishonest claims by those two buffoons.
2 : 1 to Iceland currently. Might well happen.Yes.
I remember during the 2008 elections the credit ratings were the most important thing ever and only the Tories could be trusted not to let them fallIronic by people obsessed with how much money we pay out each day.
This is a total fucking disaster, and that's an understatement.
We've been assured by Leave that credit ratings are meaningless, and with no impact on reality.
My entire office dep voted Leave, and I drew Iceland in our sweepstakes.If Iceland win then people will have nothing to distract them from the shitshow, should be great.
If Iceland win then people will have nothing to distract them from the shitshow, should be great.
Did Boris or Gove show their face, or are they still too pussy and making other Leavers say all this shit?
Did Boris or Gove show their face, or are they still too pussy and making other Leavers say all this shit?
2 : 1 to Iceland currently. Might well happen.
Even as a Englander, I'm supporting Iceland.
I care more about club than international anyway.
Did Boris or Gove show their face, or are they still too pussy and making other Leavers say all this shit?
Great for who? I genuinly feel like total shit and have done since Friday.
Hopefully when England are out, we can come together and support Iceland. Unity is what's needed.
Are you leaving? You haven't told us, Dear UK. We will help the minute you tell us. There are no informal talks because Britain simply isn't ready for even that and because the timing is there for a reason, you won't get a preferential treatment. Especially as the UK already had one with the last deal. It had a very generous one.
The last deal gave britain a permanent out from a closer union. That was the best that could be given. You won't get better now.Are we talking about the same deal that Cameron got with Europe, which didn't ease fears from Britain of United States of the European Union?
Or the deal before that where we got a rebate and that was all? Hardly generous.