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[axisofweevils]

Remember when "Man looks funny when he eats ham sandwich" was Politics front page worthy?

 

[Morat]

Is there a really good article about this whole European Union and why it's bad for UK to leave? I'm American and I'm curious about European politics.

The Economist has run some well argued and detailed articles on the subject.

 

[GamerMax73]

I mean, it is reality, but just to be clear, it is not an unreasonable expectation that, given that you had a bunch of politicians supporting leaving, you would now be ready for one of them to step up and lead the nation in doing so.

I agree, it'd been nice to hear more from Boris, Gove, May, et al - but superficially Cameron is still in charge here, even if he won't push the button. The parties have their own internal process for electing a leader.

All we can do is wait and see how Wednesday/Thursday plays out.

Also, don't forget the prevailing wisdom is that the Gove/Johnson camp have been completely wrong footed by Brexit - the nation called their bluff.

 

[jamieson87]

Is there a really good article about this whole European Union and why it's bad for UK to leave? I'm American and I'm curious about European politics.

http://youtu.be/iAgKHSNqxa8

 

[RK9039]

Remember when "Man looks funny when he eats ham sandwich" was Politics front page worthy?

Those were the days.

 

[Morat]

Remember when "Man looks funny when he eats ham sandwich" was Politics front page worthy?

I liked Milliband. He deserved better than the media idiocy that surrounded him.

 

[pigeon]

People may have already seen this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...k_57714985e4b0232d331e7762?yi5smw9xzao4kotj4i

A shocked Brexit voter has written to all MPs to express regret for their decision - only to get short shrift from a Tory minister.

The voter, whom HuffPost UK will not name, wrote that they hadn’t wanted to quit the EU but voted ‘Leave’ in order to reduce the margin of victory for the ‘Remain’ campaign....

But [Therese] Coffey, the Deputy Leader of the Commons and a strong backer of the Remain campaign, sent back a swift reply at “16:01”, writing thus:

Bit late now, mate.

Thanks for thinking it through so carefully.

We’ll try to make the best of what you voted for last week for the sake of families and businesses across the country.

Bye now.

Also contains this great quote from the Leave voter which again illustrates exactly why putting this to a referendum was incredibly dumb:

I never ever wanted to actually leave the EU but I voted ‘out’ anyway.

I expected Remain to win. I thought the 10 percent of undecided voters would choose the safer status quo as the only rational option was to remain (I realise now that I was slightly irrational to vote the other way).

The lesson here is that assuming that people vote intelligently for the outcome they prefer is super dumb. As any economics professor will tell you, on average it's a marginal loss to vote at all, so you already know that anybody who bothered to turn up is somewhat irrational!

 

[maquiladora]

Isn't the WW2 analogy actually pretty apt? Britain commits massive political error and now needs Russia and the US to clean it up?

Wait till you hear about the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact and the join invasion of Poland by Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union in September 1939. It'll blow your mind.

 

[Joni]

Therese Coffey, sounds like a politician worth voting for.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

Here is the thing. I couldn't give a flying fuck what you think about my attitude. The leave campaign has jeopardised my future, my families future, my friends future, my colleagues future, my partners future and the futures of many other people that I am in step with both mentally, ideologically and spiritually.

I have no incentive to give a rat's ass about their future when they have done such damage to mine. I don't care about the "conversation", the reasons this happened, or the way forward for England and Wales.

From now on, I'm working every waking hour to make sure I am able to leave this place and have a better life elsewhere. If you or anyone else have a problem with that, bloody tough shit.

The gall and audacity of some of you to attempt to talk from some moral high ground after you have a set off a economic nuke that will be felt for generations, on the basis of pretty much a tantrum. Disgusting.

Exactly. Too true.

The more and more you tell me to calm down and to unite together and help fix the problems, the madder and madder I get.

You lot got us into this disaster (and I stress disaster, if you still think otherwise you're god damned deluded) so you can bloody fix it, if you even can.
You break it, you bought it.

 

[Famassu]

So this happened on CNN

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/world...-danniel-hannan.cnn/video/playlists/amanpour/

Daniel Hannan seems like such a idiot

Christiane Amanpour is awesome.

 

[lazer_bean]

Why would anyone do that? Their economy was good, so they didn't change to possibly break it. The situations aren't even remotely similar.

I was being sarcastic because, a lot of people in this thread seem to think that the only reason people would vote Leave is because they're racist.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Wait till you hear about the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact and the join invasion of Poland by Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union in September 1939. It'll blow your mind.

Hitler: "Hey Stalin, I know you hate me m8, but trust me. Let's invade Poland together, you take half, I take half. I'm totally not gonna screw you over later."

 

[Joni]

I was being sarcastic because, a lot of people in this thread seem to think that the only reason people would vote Leave is because they're racist.

If the shoe fits.

 

[Corronchilejano]

The lesson here is that assuming that people vote intelligently for the outcome they prefer is super dumb. As any economics professor will tell you, on average it's a marginal loss to vote at all, so you already know that anybody who bothered to turn up is somewhat irrational!

"I acted like an idiot because I assumed everyone else would act smart" is a Disney movie cliche just waiting to be filmed.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

I was being sarcastic because, a lot of people in this thread seem to think that the only reason people would vote Leave is because they're racist.

Not racist, but no.1 with racists

 

[ClosingADoor]

So this happened on CNN

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/world...-danniel-hannan.cnn/video/playlists/amanpour/

Daniel Hannan seems like such a idiot

How the fuck do you even talk to such people. What is that guy on? He forgot what the whole Leave campaign was about suddenly? What the hell.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

just heard on BBC another agency has cut the UK rating, didn't catch the name

 

[Kathian]

just heard on BBC another agency has cut the UK rating

Fitch and warning of more.

 

[Respect]

A quick look at this list of World War 2 veterans who are still alive reveals that the amount of British ones still around is just above 100, so this image is complete rubbish.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

It is making me furious that leavers are crying about coming together in unity. Does that include everyone or just white english? Bit late to start trying to spread a positive message.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

Exactly. Too true.

The more and more you tell me to calm down and to unite together and help fix the problems, the madder and madder I get.

You lot got us into this you bloody fix it, if you even can.

Exactly. The more I think about the whole thing, how pointless it's turning out and turmoil it's causing, the more incensed I get.

And rather than understand that, knuckling down and showing us solutions and reassuring us that there may be some benefit, we are getting patronising berk after patronising berk, telling us that that the people have spoken and we must unite to fix the fallout.

How about some of you orgainse, start doing some groundwork and prove this is the best way forward, instead of asking people to wipe your dripping arse while you shit yourself?

 

[TheCrackInTime]

Edit - Looks like it was posted while I was typing

Not sure if this has been posted already but wow.

“Dear Remain MPs

“I never ever wanted to actually leave the EU but I voted ‘out’ anyway.

“I expected Remain to win. I thought the 10 percent of undecided voters would choose the safer status quo as the only rational option was to remain (I realise now that I was slightly irrational to vote the other way).

“I’d hoped that my vote would contribute towards Remain’s margin being more narrow.

“I’d hoped that this cause some introspection by the EU and help expedite reforms (i.e. stop meddling in so many laws, concentrate on trade and lessen the move to ever closer unity).

“I misjudged the electorate and I now regret the way I voted.”

You don't fucking say.

 

[Polari]

If the shoe fits.

But it doesn't?

 

[Zaph]

Fitch downgrade to AA negative.

 

[jamieson87]

just heard on BBC another agency has cut the UK rating

It's cool though, Wonga still has our back.

 

[Jisgsaw]

Is there a really good article about this whole European Union and why it's bad for UK to leave? I'm American and I'm curious about European politics.

To keep it short and somewhat simplified: a huge part of the UK economy is based on the financial market.
The main reason why London is still a financial center is because it's there than most of the trnasaction about EU financial products is done. Exiting EU means losing this market, which can't be good.

There's also the part where being in the EU means being in the single market, which makes your own national market much more attractive for foreign investment.

 

[Hasney]

just heard on BBC another agency has cut the UK rating, didn't catch the name

The Hasney agency has rated the country 1.5 stars, mostly while Scotland are still with us. Forecast is likely to drop.

 

[Condom]

Hitler: "Hey Stalin, I know you hate me m8, but trust me. Let's invade Poland together, you take half, I take half. I'm totally not gonna screw you over later."

Pretty sure Stalin was preparing to attack Germany too but Hitler prepared his army faster.

You could say that they both played themselves in the end.

 

[call_kotaku]

Did you learn history by reading wikipedia edits?

Wait till you hear about the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact and the join invasion of Poland by Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union in September 1939. It'll blow your mind.

I was being sarcastic, because using WW2 to justify the UK leaving the EU is kind of ironic

Spoiler

and I know America didn't do all that much all things considered

 

[mrklaw]

How much of this rating stuff is just short term collywobbles? We're still a big economy so I don't see why we'd be downgraded so much. These sorts of things can cause a vicious circle if not careful

 

[DjRalford]

Here is the thing. I couldn't give a flying fuck what you think about my attitude. The leave campaign has jeopardised my future, my families future, my friends future, my colleagues future, my partners future and the futures of many other people that I am in step with both mentally, ideologically and spiritually.

I have no incentive to give a rat's ass about their future when they have done such damage to mine. I don't care about the "conversation", the reasons this happened, or the way forward for England and Wales.

From now on, I'm working every waking hour to make sure I am able to leave this place and have a better life elsewhere. If you or anyone else have a problem with that, bloody tough shit.

The gall and audacity of some of you to attempt to talk from some moral high ground after you have a set off a economic nuke that will be felt for generations, on the basis of pretty much a tantrum. Disgusting.

And i couldn't give a flying fuck about your opinion

 

[Tak3n]

People may have already seen this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...k_57714985e4b0232d331e7762?yi5smw9xzao4kotj4i



Also contains this great quote from the Leave voter which again illustrates exactly why putting this to a referendum was incredibly dumb:



The lesson here is that assuming that people vote intelligently for the outcome they prefer is super dumb. As any economics professor will tell you, on average it's a marginal loss to vote at all, so you already know that anybody who bothered to turn up is somewhat irrational!

need to be a bit careful with these, I am not saying they are not real, but this is open to abuse quite easily... especially with it making headlines,and the effort to write to every MP takes quite a commitment

 

[*Splinter]

Fitch downgrade to AA negative.

Pff, never even heard of these so-called "experts"

 

[Hasney]

How much of this rating stuff is just short term collywobbles? We're still a big economy so I don't see why we'd be downgraded so much. These sorts of things can cause a vicious circle if not careful

Because we're forecast to be in a recession that is not going to be easy to come out of. It's not likely to be short term while we have no real leadership and no plan to leave the EU other than respecting the will of the people.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

And i couldn't give a flying fuck about your opinion

then don't even begin to tell him what to do

 

[axisofweevils]

What surprises me is in the past, losing our AAA rating was cause for panic and alarm, but now its "It's OK. We're England. We'll get through this. Everyone will want to trade with us now!"

Looking at some comments online, it's like I'm the only one aware I'm in a car with no brakes going down a hill for no good reason.

 

[Polari]

Fitch downgrade to AA negative.

Just AA according to the Guardian.

Let's not forget a lot of the political instability forcing these ratings down and wreaking havoc on the markets is the responsibility of the Remainers - Cameron and the Blairite wing of the Labour party. Time for the politicians to finally stump up and show some leadership.

 

[Zaph]

But it doesn't?

Look at the polling for what the no.1 issue is. Anyone willing to do this much wanton damage to their economy over immigration definitely has very questionable priorities to where an accusation of racism isn't surprising.

need to be a bit careful with these, I am not saying they are real, but this is open to abuse quite easily...and the effort to write to every MP takes quite a commitment

That's rich

 

[Joni]

But it doesn't?

Except the immigration rhetoric under the Leave camp, the 57% uptick in racist attacks since the referendum, ... The American civil war was also about state rights, right?

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

And i couldn't give a flying fuck about your opinion

Then you won't object to being put in my ignore corner. Congrats.

 

[Respect]

How much of this rating stuff is just short term collywobbles? We're still a big economy so I don't see why we'd be downgraded so much. These sorts of things can cause a vicious circle if not careful

When a concrete plan is in place and much less uncertainty is ahead, the rating will inevitably change in time....but how long is the question no one can answer.

 

[GamerMax73]

It is making me furious that leavers are crying about coming together in unity. Does that include everyone or just white english? Bit late to start trying to spread a positive message.

I think that depends on which Leaver you asked. Some* think all non albino's were automatically deported 10pm Thursday night.

*generalisation for comedic effect only.

 

[ClosingADoor]

How much of this rating stuff is just short term collywobbles? We're still a big economy so I don't see why we'd be downgraded so much. These sorts of things can cause a vicious circle if not careful

It's actually long term. They don't change this stuff weekly. It's a rating on the outlook of Britain being able to pay its debt in the future. Now that they want out of the EU, they will be facing economic difficulties, so until that is resolved and the outlook is better again, the rating won't go up.

 

[oti]

Fitch downgrade to AA negative.

As long as there's no real plan, no real leader it will go downhill. Uncertainty is poison for the markets.

 

[Hazzuh]

At least we won't have to listen to Conservative politicians talking about how they're the only people you can trust with the economy anymore

 

[theaface]

How much of this rating stuff is just short term collywobbles? We're still a big economy so I don't see why we'd be downgraded so much. These sorts of things can cause a vicious circle if not careful

We are a big economy, but we've been put on a course to become a smaller one, hence the downgrades. They should rightly have people worried.

 

[Corronchilejano]

But it doesn't?

See, you have to quote a source of some type like the Twitter stats from a hundred pages back before you claim it's not the case.

 

[DjRalford]

then don't even begin to tell him what to do

sorry, who are you? where do you come in on that conversation?


Clue for you, don;t bother answering because i couldn't give a shit.

 

[ferrasvansen]

At least we won't have to listen to Conservative politicians talking about how they're the only people you can trust with the economy

Yeah those days are over now, I can imagine the election posters of the other parties already....