Pankratous
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Pretty soon then, thanks.
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The UK votes to leave the European Union
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Yeah, that's what pretty much everyone has been commenting on.
I'm genuinely amazed that out of a country of 300,000 people, 30,000 supporters came for the Euro.
There's a lot of truth in this. False equivalency is dangerous - presenting two opinions as equal when they aren't. I remember seeing a lot of this in US media around climate change: here is an expert backed by the vast majority of scientific opinion, and here is an industry spokesman. And they both just have equal opinions.
Not possible without illegality - but it wouldn't actually be hard if a poll worker wanted to do it. if someone stole or took a photo of the ballot and then passed it to the press...
A country united vs a country split down the middle.
The United Kingdom is no more.
All because one Prime Minister gambled and lost.
Not an army did this, not a pandemic did this. A stupid, needless gamble did this.
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2 mins till 2nd brexit, this time iceland with deciding vote shocker
Optimism is all very nice but we are in middle of the talks to demolish a perfectly good house that had 40 years of improvement and then build a new one, brick by brick without even knowing who our suppliers or builders are.
The way I see it, there should be not 1 but 2 more referendums. First one after a new deal has proposed by the EU and we know the details of our new potential standings. We can then vote to either accept the terms to decline them. In this case another referendum should take place to ask whether we really want to leave the EU or not.
Of course the above is insanely unrealistic. First because we won't be able to workout a deal with EU until after we triggered Article 50. Secondly, EU won't allow us to hold them hostage while we keep holding potentially multiple referendums, if say the public declined the deal but then voted to leave the EU again. Thirdly, EU countries are tired of UK being a special snowflake getting all the good deals. We had the best deals in the EU, no amount of negotiating will bring that back. No chance. Zero. Absolutely no way.
All that Cameron said today, was just him trying to salvage whatever remains of his reputation with millions of people who voted to Remain. If he really and truly felt like this was it, he would have triggered Article 50 himself. Instead he chose a cowards way out and threw the mantle on the floor, washed his hands of the tough decision and walked away. He won't be alone responsible for potentially ruining the country's economic position in the world or driving anither wedge in the United Kingdom's unity just a few years after Scotland voted to stay in. No someone else had to take the blame too and that will have to be the next PM.
There's nothing inherently undemocratic about holding another or a series of referendums about the one most important decision that the country, the public could vote for in the past 40 years. It's not about joining something new, it's about leaving something we've been part of for many decades. It's like you are tearing your arm off and hoping nothing will change. Sure the miracle of science might grow you a new one but it will probably take you as long as you had your old one to get back where you have started. Or perhaps a prosthetic will be much superior to flesh and bone but nobody actually built one, not even a prototype.
It's unknown waters, it's dark, there's a storm coming and all you have to navigate in these waters is a shovel and a flashlight. None of the things are suitable for a marine journey on a boat called UK. And that's the thing Leave campaign had no plan. No one really expected then to win, not even themselves. They all smiled and lied through their teeth, spouting whatever nonsense they could come up with. Was Remain any better? They talked of maybe, worst case scenario created over after tea on a napkin using a pencil. Using fear to try to make people vote Remain, instead of debunking what Leave said and stating the clear benefits of today's EU membership. Not strawberry milk rivers and fountains of chocolate that Leave was promising but the actual benefits we receive today. They both lied but Remain lied far more shamelessly fuiling the hate in this (maybe not so) tolerant country.
This is not general elections. Where the best clown wins. This a referendum that should have been handled by an independent committee without direct involvement of the political parties. Democracy only works when the public voting on the issue have all the facts. They did not, neither of the sides. People would have had to think much further ahead than they did to truly understand what their choice could potentially do to this country. Remain just such a poor job at communicating this that they've made people lose confidence in their campaign making them choose the other guys' arguments, at least they sound right!
I thought I've calmed myself after Friday's result but apparently not! The thought of my potential children living in the country weakened by lies and short-sightness does not sound like something I would want to accept right now.
Everyone cannot work together to overcome this. This would require the general public to be united and it will not after this, we could drift apart further and further as the time goes on. And it would require our efforts to actually mean anything politically and economically. This isn't world war 2, where we can a band together and make more equipment at the factories to strengthen our forces. Nobody is going to do anything. There's nothing to unite behind, the consequences of the vote we took on Thursday may only be felt in 10-20. By that time some of those Leave voters might have perished due to an old age. Ha! Thanks guys. Not to mention, for me, there's no one left to vote in this country. Labour is a sham with Jeremy burying them deeper and deeper into the sand. Lib-dems committed a mass political sekuppu during the "coalition" government by basically being useless, losing the support of many people. Tories got us into this mess almost entirely on their own. And UKIP with their far right and xenophobic undertones is a no go, even if Farage would promise 100% to rejoin the EU, that's because he'll be 100% lying at the same time.
In case anybody gets confused, those people on that boat are pretty much all dead - it's their fucking kids who voted for Brexit.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Apologies. Fixed it now.
Bloody vikings have done it again!
Yup. And a large number of the Leave voters don't even see it. That they have destroyed the very thing they claimed they were trying to make 'great' by utter selfishness and fear. 'Great' Britain, pah. Little Britain is more like it.
I think that's a lovely idea. As long as the gift and card can't in any way be seen as creepy and stalkerish. I mean there's numerous ways you can take the phrase 'I'm thinking of you', not all of them good ... ;p
But sure, a box of chocolates, a card saying 'there's a good chance you think all Brits are racist cockwombles right now, and sadly it appears that a sizeable number of us are, but please have friendship and chocolate from us because we don't hate you'.
Edit: Really loving the football result. Karma and all that, especially given how disgracefully some England fans have behaved. I do hope that English anger isn't taken out on EU immigrants back here though, given how brazen the far right have felt comfortable with being over the last few days :/
Edit 2: Just seen on twitter: Iceland 2, Poundland 1. Hahhhhhaaaa, marvellous. Seriously, the humour here, on twitter, buzzfeed etc are making this whole shitshow slightly less unbearable.
ferrasvansen
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paperboywriter
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England down.
RedSparrows
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It's absolutely appropriate. Crap performance, imbecilic politics.
YianGaruga
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Can't get worse now
right?
right?
I know the situation isn't funny at all...but I got a laugh out of this one.
You can say all what you want in the media, you still have to actually withdraw which they had actually not done at that point. The EU stated quite fast that the foreign minister calling to say that without Althing support wasn't actually doing that. Maybe they did silently since then, but the last known public word is that they didn't. It is like Article 50. Britain technically isn't leaving until that is put into action.
ferrasvansen
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No but I'm enjoying the moment, thanks. After two weeks of wall to wall coverage on our tvs in Scotland about how great England are, only right I enjoy this night.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
I'm actually pleased because given the current climate, an England win would be disastrous.
BibiMaghoo
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There was just 80k people between the votes...
I voted remain in Wales, and my area was one of the few that was mostly remain. That is the problem with this situation, no one was in agreement. The difference doesn't even amount to the population of a city.
TatteredHat
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So what is the most likely course of action here?
Invoking Article 50 without a plan would be disastrous for the UK.
Not invoking Article 50 for a prolonged period of time is also disastrous for the UK.
I find it very unlikely that anyone on your government is going to take up responsibility and tell the public they will be ignoring the referendum, so that's out as well.
Lose/Lose/Lose, take your pick.
Invoking Article 50 without a plan would be disastrous for the UK.
Not invoking Article 50 for a prolonged period of time is also disastrous for the UK.
I find it very unlikely that anyone on your government is going to take up responsibility and tell the public they will be ignoring the referendum, so that's out as well.
Lose/Lose/Lose, take your pick.
It's because our premier league is full of all these foreigners the English players cant come through
^this will 100% be the drivel I hear tomorrow
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England losing is a good thing. All those angry people.
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Eh, the English were booing the team from really early on. They'll turn on anyone at the drop of a hat.
Fuck it, topping up the wine before bed, this is fun.
Yep, 100% deserved.
just add Johnny Icelander to the endless list of foreigners that make English people scared
They've got a chance. Decent enough team and Coleman is a great manager.
jufonuk
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I guess until we start negotiating. Once it is in place a clear EU massegw of support to help us exit smoothly in place should bring a bit of stability.
UK bleeding everywhere spill onto other nations they need to seal the wound bring clam then negotiate
HazySaiyan
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Amongst this maelstrom of absolute shite the England score has given me the biggest laugh all week.
maquiladora
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Most likely scenario at the moment is Article 50 getting invoked in 3-4 months time. But who knows what financial and political turmoil lies ahead so that could change.
Alx
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Everything considered since there's definitely no possibility of avoiding the Brexit, I still think option 1 is the best one. Or the "less worst". At least it gives you 2 years of breathing time, even if there's no plan there is a little time to improvise one, and start convincing other EU members to be patient. There's no way we can see any progress if we can't even start talking to each other.
QuicheFontaine
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Ugh, that was awful. But in a way I'm relieved I don't have to watch England play for another two years now.
Best of luck to the Icelanders against France though!
What does it take to get a 1??
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