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The UK votes to leave the European Union
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The_Hitcher89
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Out of interest and fully aware that it would never happen in this case, can a referendum be reversed if those charged with implementing the changes prove themselves completely incapable of fulfilling the promises that got them into the position in the first place?
Led_Zeppelin
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My point is mostly the people talking about the "Armageddon" that just happen know almost nothing about financial markets. And are worrying about anything, this was a market correction because of an overvaluation of the Pound and British stock because the common wisdom was that Remain was going to win, even by the smaller of margins.
The pound was on a rally the last week, went from 1.41 to 14.9 mostly based on a confidence of the market in the remain vote which obviously backfired when the results came out, the same can be said about the stock market, since last Thursday the market went on a rally expecting remain and getting leave which basically triggered the short sale of most of the speculators of a remain gamble.
But hey everything to fit in the narrative that leave is bad yo! The markets will readjust itself and the people in fear are the ones that always lose money.
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Frankfurter
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No, that's not how it works. You want to trade with the EU? You have to comply with its rules and regulations. The issue is that once the UK is out, it will have ZERO say in how these laws and regulations will be set up, just like Norway and Switzerland.
Here's what the UK voted for: Becoming irrelevant.
It makes zero sense to wait until October.
endlessflood
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Everyone's vote has virtue, IMO. But the fine definitely helps everyone care regardless.
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Several German ministers were essentially saying UK will be punished for this.
geordiemp
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Not really, £ = 1.25 Euro, where it was about 12 months ago.
UK could not export when it was up at 1.4.
It was good for UK manufacturing when it was down at 1.15. 1.25 is a sensible average in previous years, 1.4 was the death of Uk industry.
Bony Manifesto
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Damn EU, always telling us what to do...
Daffy Duck
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They aren't going to let us sit around and dither on this.
On a side note I wonder when Osborne will crawl out the woodwork and what he'll have to say for himself.
I'm assuming they don't have any actual say though do they?
We can invoke article 50 when we are ready
Link to the quotes?
Systolique
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I saw some posts about Marine Le Pen and #Frexit, here is where it stands right now :
"According to a study from OpinionWay published in June, only 26% of French would vote in favor of a Frexit, and 51% against (the rest of people asked did not answered)
Source ; lemonde.fr
"According to a study from OpinionWay published in June, only 26% of French would vote in favor of a Frexit, and 51% against (the rest of people asked did not answered)
Source ; lemonde.fr
In terms of oil it's certainly a wobbly proposition, which probably undermines the economic argument somewhat. On the flipside renewable energy is on the up and up and research into fields like that are on the up and up. Not a gargantuan boon like oil, obviously, but still not to be sniffed at. We'll be relevant moving past oil.
But regardless of the economics of it, for me the cultural and political divide is just too massive. When I voted Yes in the referendum I wasn't voting for an independent Scotland I was voting against Westminster.
Very nice
The exiters have yet to realise this. Plucky little Britain will get concessions out of the EU that the US, the most powerful nation state in History, is unable to do. That's assuming it's Britain, because the Scots will be agitating against that.
You can really tell who the ignorant are at this point. It'd be sad were it not for the fact that this is economic suicide.
Imminent!
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This was an enormous defacement to the EU, they are not going to make this easy for Britain. The EU does not forget.
SprachBrooks
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Lol at those blaming Corbyn for this loss. The only person that had a measured approach to this referendum whilst acknowledging the flaws of the EU, chose for remain as the best way to improve it.
The establishment media then proceeds to call for his resignation because he may finally have a chance at achieving something as the leader of the party through an early general election.
It's amazing how the rhetoric and narrative is developed so quickly; because the Murdoch puppets are scared of him.
The establishment media then proceeds to call for his resignation because he may finally have a chance at achieving something as the leader of the party through an early general election.
It's amazing how the rhetoric and narrative is developed so quickly; because the Murdoch puppets are scared of him.
This country just proved De Gaulle right. He never wanted us because he thought we were a pack of cunts. Well well well.
I just can't see any way these negotiations make us come out favorably. We have a large delay, an EU that hates us, and we're sending in our top euroskeptics who are almost all incompetent buffoons.
It's going to be a major fucking shitshow and frankly anyone saying "but the trade deals will be fine!" is being way too optimistic.
Ironic indeed.
Liljagare
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This flabbergasts me, how did the Brexit people think? That because you leave the EU, you don't have to follow the EU anymore? That is not how it is going to work at all.. And like above, now England will have less of a impact, it minimized itself on the scene.
What on earth for? :\
Oh man, if Boris gets sent in to negotiate... I'd laugh if it wasn't terrifying.
The EU : "You said you'd fuck off so on you go. Now."
http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2016/06/24-joint-statement-uk-referendum/
http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2016/06/24-joint-statement-uk-referendum/
where the shit did that person get their numbers from then?
The market access for non-EU members has always been conditioned on abiding with EU legislation and rules without having a say on the legislation.
geordiemp
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No wonder we are leaving if thats peoples attitudes. Uk tired of the Brussels dictators.
Remember, trade goes both ways.
Get them yourself, 5 year UK to EU is not that hard. I could sell Uk stuff into EU at 1.15., at 1.4 we gave up. 1.25 is sensible.
http://www.chartoasis.com/forex/1/gbp_eur/5_years.html
1.4 was silly in last 4 years. In 2013 it was 1.15 which was good for UK trade.
They're all calling for a Brexiter to negotiate. So considering it'll probably be the new PM who does so we'll get Boris, Theresa May or Gove. None of those are a good option compared to Cameron.
MightyHedgehog
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Yikes.
Putin is heating up the Cold War and flexing muscles in the East and the fucking UK population thinks they should lie in bed with literal racists to leave and weaken one of the great collective efforts against Putin's aggressiveness.
Dumbest fucking shit I've seen in my life time.
Dumbest fucking shit I've seen in my life time.
Gove would do the best job out of them, but man, you're right.
KonradLaw
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Of course they will. UK won't get any sweet deals. Giving them would just encurage the collapse of whole union.
Thank you. I needed that [bitter and hollow] laugh
Given how utterly incompetent the UK government clearly are (ditto the opposition), and the amazing ignorance of UK voters... that actually sounds kindof positive
.firehawk12
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Haha. Need a gif of Boris clapping at David.
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