PeskyToaster
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The UK votes to leave the European Union
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Spuck-uk
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As someone living in Liverpool still, thanks. Its a city proud of being multicultural, despite being relatively poor still.
Led_Zeppelin
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The fractured butwhole + England and wales?
Secret Character
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I've been watching world markets this morning and this has had (and probably will continue to have) much more of a global impact than I thought.
I can't believe that voters would do this to their own economy. When the US had it's huge collapse, it wasn't due to anything we voted on.
I can't believe that voters would do this to their own economy. When the US had it's huge collapse, it wasn't due to anything we voted on.
QuantumZebra
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I don't think people who voted Brexit truly had a grasp of how fucked they just made the U.K.
This is historic levels of fucked.
The U.K. pretty much just fell on its' own sword out of bigotry. What is amazing is see the leaders who egged on the Brexit crowd slowly back away like "uhhh... we uhh... we were only kinda for this... uhhh"
Alibi Kingdom
Sort of kind of looks like the way we're going. Although the other way round
nature boy
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So:
- Major uncertainty in the UK economy;
- Scotland and Northern Ireland open to a referendum to leave the UK. Who knows about Gibraltar;
- Both major UK parties are in a total mess;
- Major uncertainty in the UK economy;
- Scotland and Northern Ireland open to a referendum to leave the UK. Who knows about Gibraltar;
- Both major UK parties are in a total mess;
No chance mate, this is a done deal. This is what most of the Conservatives always wanted and most Labour MPs live in areas that voted Leave, they can't ignore that.
I was only in the city centre but it was great tbh. I was with my girlfriend and we both preferred it to Manchester where we were the day before.
It's not as cut and dry as that and you can appeal the decision.
You really think they would understand the link? You really think they have the capabilities?
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Morgan Stanley moving 1000s of jobs to Dublin and Frankfurt. https://twitter.com/Donna4843/status/746332001427464192
Crimson_Fate
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Its more like the Trump vote, a great deal of it is a middle finger to the government/establishment. I suspect we will see a similar reaction here in November if he pulls out a win.
The polls in the UK were way off because it looks like many people in the UK didn't want the stigma attached to admitting that they would vote to leave. As a comparison a friend of mine ( who is voting for Trump) was polled last month and he said he was voting for Hillary. When I asked him why he said he felt the admitting his Trump support would put him on someones hate list.
Britain has voted to leave the EU. This has sent shockwaves around the world, and caused a lot of volatility in the markets. At one point the Pound had dropped to levels not seen since 1986. It has since stabilised. But now we enter a period of uncertainty.
Kingdom United FC.
We'll vote for 11 players, and then the rest of the country can just act like poorly-educated, xenophobic hooligans.
Same thing happens in the US too. Poor right winged voters who get assistance themselves voting against their own interests because they get fully caught up in the fervor. They'll say "THIS IS AMERICA" with out actually having any actual idea what that truly means.Oh sweet irony
MightyHedgehog
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So, what does all of this economic turmoil mean for the most vulnerable living there? Isn't this going to help amplify whatever current issues are already stressing state services, like the NHS? Are those dependent upon the state for their quality of life screwed now or is it now just a matter of accelerating toward whatever wall was already seen coming up in terms of funding and staffing? I mean, is the outlook for the poor, the physical/mentally handicapped, and generally disadvantaged even bleaker now than before this vote. Wasn't the push for defunding public schooling and eliminating the paying for university tuition already on the table before now?
Which reminds me, I read a comment somewhere on Twitter (from someone I used to follow, I don't know more purely because of this) that pretty much implied this referendum doesn't matter because, if after a month we don't like it, we can just join with the EU again.
PeskyToaster
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i'm talking about America and Britain lol
Gurgelhals
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Several things in fact:
- We have proportional representation, which insures that the constitution of our parliament actually reflects the will of the voting populace (but that's true of most representative democracies as well, of course; I know that the UK with its FPtP system is a special case in that regard).
- There is no oppositional party system. No party has an absolute majority in parliament (as in the UK) and there are also no formal coalitions among parties (as, for example, in Germany). Individual bills are drafted and passed as a result of compromises among several parties.
- Same goes for the executive branch. Our government is a directorate of seven ministers elected from the country's four largest parties. We don't have a PM calling the shots and setting the agenda, but a committee of politicians with different ideas and ideologies being bound to constructively work together and compromise to actually get things done.
- All this means that bills passing through parliament are usually rather moderate compromises that already have the support of several parties. Swiss parliament procedures are usually very slow because of that whole "finding compromises" thing, but it also means less "scattershot politics". When a bill passes, it usually means that it's here to stay and won't be rescinded by a different government just a few years down the line.
- Furthermore, politicians are fully aware that controversial bills will ultimately have to pass a people's referendum. This means that they tend not to come up with proposals that go too far or are too radical, because radical (far-left or far-right) bills usually don't stand a chance in a referendum.
- With regards to people's initiatives, they're quite rare to actually pass, because you don't just have to carry the majority of the voting populace but of the Cantons (states) as well.
- Also, people's initiatives can only be proposed on a constitutional level. That means that if an initiative passes, it is up to the government and/or parliament to actually implement this and come up with the actual laws. Usually, this means that radical proposals put forward through people's initiatives are, if they actually manage to pass a vote, toned down significantly the parliamentary procedure that follows.
That's just a very rough outline of what I meant by "institutional safeguards". I'm not saying that it's perfect (nothing is), but considering the sheer amount of issues that we have the privilege to vote on each year, I think it's safe to say that the system works out very well in >90% of the cases. As I said, however, all of this is deeply ingrained in the structure and everyday reality of our political system, so it's a different beast to a purely representative democracy doing a one-off referendum on a momentous issue.
DeadOnions
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England had a higher percentage to leave though didn't it?
talking from personal experience I know that some older UK Indians that I know (I count my parents in this) are very conservative bordering on racists......"we don't want any more immigrants".....hold on you're an immigrant yourself! Hypocrisy is strong!
I've abstained from commenting so far, but I'm gutted.
I always thought our country was great (baring a few issues). I thought our society was tolerant and accepting of people/cultures etc. We've done some horrible stuff over the years but at signs of trouble we've cut and run. Today has proved isn't the country I grew up in.
But, I have to accept the decision thats been made! I'm moving to Scotland when they gain their independence......if they'll take us all.
That means they get there money from the EU, not the other way around.
Honey Bunny
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https://twitter.com/ReutersBiz/status/746330678212558848
UPDATE: Morgan Stanley denies reports that it would move 2,000 investment banking staff from London
Greece came in with falsified statistics (without those, they would have never been accepted) and as a messed up country. It would have fallen apart anyway and it was definitely the wrong decision to take them in.
TheRealTalker
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I wonder how their flag will look after N.Ireland and Scotland jump ship
will they revert or will they try something new for their flag
I wonder if the Welsh will leave too just to for the same arguments as Britain
will they revert or will they try something new for their flag
I wonder if the Welsh will leave too just to for the same arguments as Britain
MrS
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To quote Kendrick Lamar, "We gon' be alright"
Did the outcome leave you crying like an anime fan on prom night?
We would ruin them. They don't want it with us.
Oh sweet irony
Amazing how people keep falling for voting against their own self interests.
This shit happens like every day in the US.
Relaxed Muscle
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As a spaniard I welcome Gibraltar with open arms, come back to us baby!
Audioboxer
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Strap in England, the SNP are going to make everyone sick having a field day with this (this coming from an SNP supporter)
Full video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCb17h3aYWA
Full video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCb17h3aYWA
SlackAdjuster
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Came here for the same thing haha I need someone to explain this to me like a 5 year old.
chromatic9
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Very well said. There are growing groups of people everywhere whose voice is being blatantly ignored, because they are deemed unfit to make decisions about their country or even themselves. If you're not young, fit and rich college graduate your opinion on anything is irrelevant, your rights are not always guaranteed and your needs are not something your government is typically concerned about; basically, if you're poor, uneducated and/or old your only role in society is to always shut up and "take one for the team". No wonder people are getting royally pissed and want to vote for anything, even the dumbest of things, only to upset the status quo constantly shitting on them. So-called "elites" here in Poland had a very similar reaction when PiS won the last elections, the media and social media were full of themselves, proclaiming that "stupid people sold their country for some chump change from the government". Well, here's the news - when for decades you bend over backwards for international capital, don't offer people even the basic social safety nets for the sake of "austerity", ruin working conditions, introduce policies that lead to stagnating wages and don't actively try to fight monopolies or even indirectly support them, something is going to break.
Subpar Spatula
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Great counter. You sure showed me!
The United territory of England and Wales
I love it that Liverpool is progressive despite being relatively poor.
So many people take shit on the city but it is more global and tolerant of multiculturalism than many other "better cities".
Dictator93
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Britain isn't great but that didn't stop us naming is so.
Read it in Cartman's voice and laughed pretty hard :lol
Buba Big Guns
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This vote should never have even happened, and if it did a simple majority should not be the deciding factor. This has so many implications that a simple 50+1 doesn't cut it.
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Like I said before, the EU will likely double down on "punishing those who oppose the union". They'll make an example out of the UK because otherwise it would open the door to everyone else trying to do the same. Same attitude they had towards Greece.
The EU better do really well over the coming years otherwise its attempts at keeping unity risk doing the opposite. The self-inflected wounds from the Greece debacle are still unhealed, and more are likely to come not just from Greece. At some point, the union will just look like a bloody mess if this is the only way it can remain united; by scaring members into staying.
Should have had reforms years ago to avoid the current mess.
Curious to see what happens in Portugal if the pound crashes.
The EU better do really well over the coming years otherwise its attempts at keeping unity risk doing the opposite. The self-inflected wounds from the Greece debacle are still unhealed, and more are likely to come not just from Greece. At some point, the union will just look like a bloody mess if this is the only way it can remain united; by scaring members into staying.
Should have had reforms years ago to avoid the current mess.
Curious to see what happens in Portugal if the pound crashes.
I think it's more about drug dealing and stealing/smuggling which is actually an ever-growing problem and has been for years.
excelsiorlef
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