Synless
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I don't think anyone is saying its up there with PS4 and Xbox One, rather the Wii U is putting out some great looking games that no one thought it could.
The Wii U and its ability to produce amazing visuals.
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I take it you haven't actually played LBP3 then?
hahaha, exactly my point.
ninjablade
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Are you saying nobody expected 360/ps3 like visuals from the wiiu?
Yes, the trailer had visible aliasing which makes me think that it might be a bullshot version of the same trailer
The Zelda we see on console is not going to have IQ as good as that original Zelda WiiU announcement with the mechanical spider.
Dolphin supports texture replacement and SweetFx, so you absolutely can improve those things.
Here are some examples from PS3 that are able to produce similar impressions as Wii U games by using art style and color:
These are bullshots.
Windom Earle
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Agreed, I also got bored with SM3DWorld. With "fun" always getting thrown around, this one was really lacking it.
Mario Kart and Tropical Freeze are awesome though. Anyway, I guess this thread is about graphics.
not_so_special
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lol. no
Oh not entirely, although it's always fun to bring a little reality into threads like this.
A console being underpowered isn't very noteworthy this generation, particularly in a thread where not many (if any) people are saying otherwise.
DeviousAngel
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For me, it wasn't the fact that Nintendo managed to produce some amazing looking games on the wiiu, but that they managed to do so so consistently and right from the get-go. I was worried that they would struggle through the HD transition but then we got stuff like Nintendoland. I am loving HD Nintendo.
TheSlySoul
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It is all about art direction and utilization.
Also there were plenty of good looking X360/PS3 games when they utilize the style.
However, I agree with you I prefer Nintendo and other games that add color than the realistic approach. I am liking Shadow of Mordor's gameplay but man is it boring to look at.
Also there were plenty of good looking X360/PS3 games when they utilize the style.
However, I agree with you I prefer Nintendo and other games that add color than the realistic approach. I am liking Shadow of Mordor's gameplay but man is it boring to look at.
To me SM3DW play to the WiiU technical limitations splendidly, running at a steady 60 fps, and looking amazing thanks to a superb art direction.
I don't think anyone with a brain would expect a WiiU to pull anything close to a PS4 on technical terms, but the fact that SM3DW looks much more pleasing (though artistically thats always gonna be somewhat subjective, so whatever) and run at 60fps, on vastly inferior hardware, it's something they be proud of at Nintendo.
By comparison, given the increased HW at their disposal, i don't think LBP3 looks all that mind blowing at all, let alone "putting to shame" anyone.
It's not a "look at what the WiiU can do!" but a "look how well Nintendo worked around its limitations!"
It makes no sense to praise HW, anyone can have good HW if they're willing to pay for it.
ninjablade
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Console being underpowered this gen isn't noteworthy, but a nextgen console being in the same ball park as last gen consoles is.
Synless
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Nobody expected better looking games on the Wii U than what is found on those platforms.
Oppo
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you are all alone on LBP visuals. everyone was gob smacked by LBP 2 in particular.
Absolute buttloads of people did. There were tons of people excited to see Nintendo join the HDera and many expected they would be putting it the best looking games. Aesthetically, I think even sine people believe that they are
ninjablade
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Your kidding right? You must have missed the wiiu gpu thread where everyone estimated 500-800 gflops that was only about 1 year ago. That would put it at around 3x more powerful then 360.
OG_Original Gamer
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Did you ever comment on the first images of Shinen's Fast Racing Neo? I don't remember seeing you participate in the thread.
Papacheeks
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Here, close to the same area those shots came from:http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_ratchet_clank_into_the_nexus_gameplay_ratchet-31151_en.html
And this is on a shitty player before Gamersyde upgraded.
And these are taken from the same video:
Screen shot 1
Screen shot 2
Screen shot 3
More here:
Mind you these are screen grabs from their old player at Gamersyde so there's going to be some image quality issues.
OG_Original Gamer
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Lighting leaves a lot to be desired, single light source being the sun.
I personally expected a much more powerful machine from Nintendo, but it seems that size, cost and backwards compatibility were main goals for the company. I remember in the hype threads before the release where most of us thought that it would be a good step up from PS360, but it isn't.
Still, there are great looking games on the system, even some third party games look good, like NFS. If you consider how small and silent the console is, it's pretty powerful for what it is. Nintendo as always makes some games that take advantage of the system capabilities, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking that Nintendo's games compare in scope to 3rd party AAA games, especially if you factor in online. They're polished, they're fun, they're good looking, but they have different goals and manage to look good for what they are.
At this point i think everyone understands what the system is capable of, unfortunately Nintendo's architectural choices once again require time and money from third parties that are not viable. So it's up to Nintendo to show us what the best looking games are.
Zelda and Xenoblade X sure look amazing to me.
Still, there are great looking games on the system, even some third party games look good, like NFS. If you consider how small and silent the console is, it's pretty powerful for what it is. Nintendo as always makes some games that take advantage of the system capabilities, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking that Nintendo's games compare in scope to 3rd party AAA games, especially if you factor in online. They're polished, they're fun, they're good looking, but they have different goals and manage to look good for what they are.
At this point i think everyone understands what the system is capable of, unfortunately Nintendo's architectural choices once again require time and money from third parties that are not viable. So it's up to Nintendo to show us what the best looking games are.
Zelda and Xenoblade X sure look amazing to me.
Same applies to most PCs out there.
And no a 1.8TF console is not "weak" it's a considerable jump from last gen, we have seen a large increase in visual quality as well as an increase in rendering resolution. It's not bleeding edge tech but it's it pretty high end tech in comparison. Now we can dwell into the semantics of what constitutes as high end, medium end and bleeding end but you would be missing the point.
The PCs more powerful than consoles are what I categorise as bleeding edge tech, and I'd be surprised if they can even make up for 10% of the PC gaming population's hardware.
Theognosis
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Time for a little dose of Digital Foundry.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-vs-captain-toad-treasure-tracker
Light and shadow play a significant role once again, with strategically placed world lights producing shadows and highlights across these Mario microcosms. The Captain and his friends all utilise mining helmets with their own dynamic light source always shining bright, with plenty of additional lights on display throughout the stages.
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These days it sometimes feels as if developers are focusing so heavily on cramming each game full of features that they ultimately lose sight of what's most important - the core gameplay. In contrast, Treasure Tracker just feels like a perfectly realised product - and as such, a breath of fresh air. There's no fluff here, just gameplay backed up with perfect performance and beautiful visuals. It's a ton of fun to play and its technology never lets it down. It's easy to get wrapped up in the issues and details surrounding the technical performance of modern titles, but Treasure Tracker reminds us how wonderful it is when superbly polished technology perfectly serves the game design.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-vs-captain-toad-treasure-tracker
Light and shadow play a significant role once again, with strategically placed world lights producing shadows and highlights across these Mario microcosms. The Captain and his friends all utilise mining helmets with their own dynamic light source always shining bright, with plenty of additional lights on display throughout the stages.
...
These days it sometimes feels as if developers are focusing so heavily on cramming each game full of features that they ultimately lose sight of what's most important - the core gameplay. In contrast, Treasure Tracker just feels like a perfectly realised product - and as such, a breath of fresh air. There's no fluff here, just gameplay backed up with perfect performance and beautiful visuals. It's a ton of fun to play and its technology never lets it down. It's easy to get wrapped up in the issues and details surrounding the technical performance of modern titles, but Treasure Tracker reminds us how wonderful it is when superbly polished technology perfectly serves the game design.
Synless
Member
If you read this thread you'd realize there are many here who disagree. People dog the shit out of it saying it's all art in every thread.
I was there, I expected it. There are countless others who don't.
GustyGardens
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When the specs for the Wii U were released many of us did not expect to be impressed by anything the system put out. It was thought that the Wii U wouldn't be able to stand anywhere near the Playstation 4 or Xbox One. What this thread is truly about is that, despite it's shortcomings, Nintendo has shown us that, in world where power is king, they can certainly hold their own. That's not to say that the Playstation and Xbox can't produce beautiful looking games because anyone can see that, that's not true.
While it's bound to happen, it's not a place to compare one game to another, it's about showing some respect for a company that is consistently release games that nice looking and fun to play. That's certainly an achievement deserving of praise, isn't it? Sure, there are other development houses and publishers that have an equally deserving track record, but this thread isn't about them, and it's not about putting them down either. When did a civil war break out into our community?
Here are some screenshots and gifs to spread a lighter tone. Most of the screenshots I took from Miiverse, so forgive their quality.
While it's bound to happen, it's not a place to compare one game to another, it's about showing some respect for a company that is consistently release games that nice looking and fun to play. That's certainly an achievement deserving of praise, isn't it? Sure, there are other development houses and publishers that have an equally deserving track record, but this thread isn't about them, and it's not about putting them down either. When did a civil war break out into our community?
Here are some screenshots and gifs to spread a lighter tone. Most of the screenshots I took from Miiverse, so forgive their quality.
then the point of the thread is lost on you. Its about how well Nintendo's games look and perform despite whte wiiu's hardware...smh
Right. It's less a factor of raw performance alone than it is many other considerations like budget, talent, toolchain, schedule, power drain and so on.
At Wii U launch the worst performing port was a Wii game (Epic Mickey 2). Does that mean Wii U has performance issues compared to Wii? PS3 and 360 had trouble running ZOE2, are they performance constrained compared to PS2 then? System spec is only one factor when it comes to ports.
Steve McQueen
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Here, close to the same area those shots came from:http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_ratchet_clank_into_the_nexus_gameplay_ratchet-31151_en.html
And this is on a shitty player before Gamersyde upgraded.
And these are taken from the same video:
Screen shot 1
Screen shot 2
Screen shot 3
More here:
Mind you these are screen grabs from their old player at Gamersyde so there's going to be some image quality issues.
I love R&C but into the nexus is not even close in terms of IQ and framerate.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
And yet they totally paled in comparison to the Avatar/UT4@SLI demos running on the upcoming gen. Good times!
Relaxed Muscle
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OminoMichelin
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ChronotriggerJM
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Here, close to the same area those shots came from:http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_ratchet_clank_into_the_nexus_gameplay_ratchet-31151_en.html
And this is on a shitty player before Gamersyde upgraded.
And these are taken from the same video:
Screen shot 1
Screen shot 2
Screen shot 3
More here:
Mind you these are screen grabs from their old player at Gamersyde so there's going to be some image quality issues.
Those add quite a bit of noise to the image quality. Which I found to be pretty amazing in that game. That game was running at 60 frames as well.
Insomniac is one of the few devs that manages to capture that amazingly clean / colorful world pretty well. Certain parts of ACIT were jaw dropping.
OG_Original Gamer
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The one thing that seem to be brought up all the time was Wii U supposedly slow EDRAM bandwidth, then games get released that would quickly consume that slow EDRAM bandwidth, only to maintain performance that suggest otherwise. Ports that never take advantage of the differences in memory available for textures, particularly texture resolution.
Windom Earle
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ChronotriggerJM
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I was under the assumption that edram was RIDICULOUSLY fast, but typically served in small sizes.
Not for it's first year it didn't.
Vanillalite
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In terms of worlds, Poly's, geometry the Wii U looks very much like PS3/360 games.
The two main areas you notice a difference are textures and lighting. Textures don't look better than the PS3/360's best, but they tend to overall have less bad ones shoved in because of the 512 RAM restrictions last genration.
Lighting is just more shadders with a newerish instruction set ideas. Hell it's the same reason why some mobile games have good lighting even if the rest of average.
Despite this all though the lack of AA in many Wii U games does put a damper on IQ. That's an issue even on the PS4 and Bone sometimes though.
The two main areas you notice a difference are textures and lighting. Textures don't look better than the PS3/360's best, but they tend to overall have less bad ones shoved in because of the 512 RAM restrictions last genration.
Lighting is just more shadders with a newerish instruction set ideas. Hell it's the same reason why some mobile games have good lighting even if the rest of average.
Despite this all though the lack of AA in many Wii U games does put a damper on IQ. That's an issue even on the PS4 and Bone sometimes though.
OG_Original Gamer
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Yeah, it is from what I have read outside of GAF and Beyond3d. There was a lot of pointing at games in development, like Xenoblade Chronicles X waterfalls alphas being low resolution because of bandwidth. The other was transparencies as a sign of Wii U not enough bandwidth.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Boy, some individuals are so annoyed at people having fun with their inferior consoles that they're literally counting the treads discussing the subject.. *shakes head*
Well, good that I have a PC that trounces all current-gen consoles. It has zero games (as I don't use it for games) but the thought I have this powerful iron which is making consoles look puny warms my heart at night..
Right, aesthetics are not important.. If only graphics were not striving for aesthetics. Generally games are made by a bunch of tech demo writers and no artists.
Sorry, I don't keep those bookmarked. They're from the timeframe of the WUST threads, though.
Windom Earle
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Don't quote me on this, but he might be employing a technique called sarcasm.
Windom Earle
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I know but this is GAF and we are in a Nintendo thread. But you are right. Anyway, the point he is trying to make is stupid.
gamerMan
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The Wii U can't produced as sophisticated visuals as the PS4/Xbox One. On a technical level, it is not as powerful. However, I think what the OP has noticed is that Nintendo games have never looked better than in HD. This is a fact. Whether you like Nintendo's artstyle is subjective.
Based on the launch games, most of us didn't expect much from the Wii U. Then Nintendo started making games. In my opinion, I think the jump from the previous versions of the games is staggering on the Wii U. Some may even think that the "leap" is larger than between the PS3/Xbox 360 to the PS4/Xbox One.
It is hard to compare two different art styles since it is entirely subjective whether you like one art style over the other. Here is a comparison of the Nintendo art style over the previous generations. On a TV, it is even more noticeable since there is a jump in resolution.
Based on the launch games, most of us didn't expect much from the Wii U. Then Nintendo started making games. In my opinion, I think the jump from the previous versions of the games is staggering on the Wii U. Some may even think that the "leap" is larger than between the PS3/Xbox 360 to the PS4/Xbox One.
It is hard to compare two different art styles since it is entirely subjective whether you like one art style over the other. Here is a comparison of the Nintendo art style over the previous generations. On a TV, it is even more noticeable since there is a jump in resolution.
lol you've really got no idea what you're talking about huh
Boombloxer
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Whenever "the truth is somewhere in-between" comes up in a hardware argument of the WiiU being in league with the PS4 or XB1, I know I'm being trolled.
papercan55
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Everything you said and showed made so much sense until you used a galaxy comparison.
I know gaf loves 3dworld but galaxy not only looks better to me(even at 480p) but is 1000 times the better game.
Corronchilejano
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Gaf isn't a hivemind and this isn't about gameplay. Also, the art direction is pretty similar between both games.
Man you are dense. I don't mean "wet roads" when I say new tech. Windshield wipers barely help in a downpour that would make a weathered road on an incline look like a shiny mirror. Thanks for continuing to demonstrate that you don't know wtf you are talking about.M°°nblade;145452787 said:
This might blow your mind, but I don't think SM3DW looks that great. I'm not in here as a Nintendo apologist. Having said that, your comparison is completely irrelevant, as that game is not aiming for a realistic look.
Toad Tracker looks a lot better than I thought it would.
Also, I wound just like to add that one area that can't be displayed with screenshots is the fact that most major Wii U titles do what that they at 60fps.