The Wii U in a worse or better shape after the PS4 reveal?
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BengaBenga
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Dissapointed that the next gen according to Sony will be more of the same in a more beautiful package. Because if that I think Wii U can actually get a surpising comeback as it has the potential to attract games that can't compete on graphics on PS4 combined with (hopefully) a massive Virtual Console library and HD Nintendo games.
Nintendo dropped the ball with Wii U on many fronts imo, but there is a clear path to succes (to be clear, winning the console war is not what I mean with succes, if Nintendo can sell N64 amount of consoles would be good imo).
Nintendo dropped the ball with Wii U on many fronts imo, but there is a clear path to succes (to be clear, winning the console war is not what I mean with succes, if Nintendo can sell N64 amount of consoles would be good imo).
Way better, the ps4 was a let down when it comes to actual exclusives and the wii u has gotten these exclusives announced:
(not including wii fit u for the soccer moms/pokemon rumble u)
Wow, did you make this yourself?
Same for me.
I like Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games.
I like Sony consoles for non multi games and some sony franchises.
I keep saying that :
- WII U will have a great September 2013-2014 season
- Pack in games at same price or a little price cut.
- PS4 won't be out in Europe this year
- PS4 will be 450 euros +, so, i'll wait for better games and <=400 console, late 2014.
Yesterday's conf was just too generic and there was no magic game that gave me chill, i'll wait for E3 to have a real opinion about PS4.
I like Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games.
I like Sony consoles for non multi games and some sony franchises.
I keep saying that :
- WII U will have a great September 2013-2014 season
- Pack in games at same price or a little price cut.
- PS4 won't be out in Europe this year
- PS4 will be 450 euros +, so, i'll wait for better games and <=400 console, late 2014.
Yesterday's conf was just too generic and there was no magic game that gave me chill, i'll wait for E3 to have a real opinion about PS4.
CoffeeJanitor
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Anyone who says better is lying to themselves
This 8gb business wont be that big a deal.
Most games are cross platform so will use wtv the next gen 360 will have. (hopefully im wrong)
Ps4 exclusives will definitely benefit though.
As for Wii U , its in the same shape it was always in , not good right now but its a new console , its always like this.
Watch Dogs announcement pretty sweet
Also , i'm leaning much more towards ps4 over MS now.
Most games are cross platform so will use wtv the next gen 360 will have. (hopefully im wrong)
Ps4 exclusives will definitely benefit though.
As for Wii U , its in the same shape it was always in , not good right now but its a new console , its always like this.
Watch Dogs announcement pretty sweet
Also , i'm leaning much more towards ps4 over MS now.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
What exactly does the Gamepad bring to the table that's so unique and innovative? There hasn't been a single compelling use for it yet in terms of gameplay. Compare that to the Wiimote which was a completely unique experience right out of the gate (and why it took off). The Gamepad has shown no signs whatsoever of it being a game-changer in any way.
Sony showed a piece of hardware that's probably around $500 that doesn't really have any appealing software that's going to sell anyone on the console.
I honestly think nintendo feels pretty good after watching that.
The 3DS ND you're talking about happened this morning. Iwata also promised a Wii U 3rd party Direct, that's supposed to be coming soon.
EatinOlives
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I'd say the WiiU gets a tiny bit more time thanks to cross-gen titles like Watch Dogs, which is appearing both on current gen consoles, the WiiU and the PS4. I honestly didn't think that particular game was going to appear on the WiiU, but it's a nice surprise that it's getting a port.
There have to be more than that, though, for the WiiU's third party situation to survive. Otherwise it's back to a Wii situation where everyone moves onto the more powerful hardware and Nintendo's the only one left supporting their own console, which given the last couple of years on the Wii doesn't instill much confidence.
There have to be more than that, though, for the WiiU's third party situation to survive. Otherwise it's back to a Wii situation where everyone moves onto the more powerful hardware and Nintendo's the only one left supporting their own console, which given the last couple of years on the Wii doesn't instill much confidence.
SturokBGD
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I have to say I've spent recent months being convinced the next gen of "HD twins" would spell the end of Nintendo because that's what you guys keep telling me but I have to say it kind of feels to me like comparing apples to oranges now. Or like comparing my PC to my 3DS, for want of a better gaming analogy.
Nintendo still have problems of their own to deal with though, PS4/Durango have no relevance to that either way.
Nintendo still have problems of their own to deal with though, PS4/Durango have no relevance to that either way.
The fact that the PS4 was revealed at least gets us past the "Nobody will even care about the Wii U once they see the PS4". That obviously didn't happen.
The tech gap is there again, but not in way that relegates all games before it to be suddenly no good. Nothing has really changed after the reveal. Sony fans are excited, but it didn't impact the market beyond that.
The tech gap is there again, but not in way that relegates all games before it to be suddenly no good. Nothing has really changed after the reveal. Sony fans are excited, but it didn't impact the market beyond that.
Most of NintendoLand (assymetric gameplay), detective mode in Arkham City....All of ZombiU.
Off screen play is huge, too. Having spent 2 months with it I'm glad ps4 has copied it as I couldn't live without it now.
Also, not a gameplay one, but Wii Street U is a proper "wow" moment when you use it for the first time.
DragonKnight
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Will most likely end up getting a wiiu this year and a ps4 next year. Wiiu will have amazing games this year. Next year is when the ps4 will shine. Could change come e3 but thats how i feel as of now. Cant pass up that ninty first party.
This guy gets it.
Sony's future can look as bright as scary. On the one hand they will have a nice high end machine.
On the other hand multi platform games will look better on a Steambox console. It will only get worse year after year in terms of graphics and awareness.
On the other side of the spectrum, PS4 price, no friendly controller hook, increased competition (ouya & co, tablets, HD twins and Wii U), blu ray commoditization, no backward compatibility, etc. will keep their casual gamers audience away.
So in this new landscape, Sony will live and die by their core faithful fans. The ones that don't buy a Vita in masses despite most biggest 1st party franchises released on it, the ones that don't massively buy 1st party franchises on PS3 either. GT5 and Uncharted enjoy the most sales, with <10 millions buyers. Good but not spectacular. If they happen to lose the casual and multi platform buyers fringes of their PS3 audience... and that's a plausible scenario with what I described, well it would be bad, if not ugly.
I haven't put Microsoft in the picture. Sony's hope would be to win over x360 fans, but MS probably has the most faithful audience of the industry, so I don't believe too much in this scenario.
Sony needs a mass market hook, that we didn't see yesterday. It won't be Vita remote play, there's nothing more niche than that, with the price issue it represents.
At last they desperately need to get the PS4 out in Europe in December this year. Missing it would be disastrous considering the fiercer than ever competition.
Basically. The PS4 will be largely irrelevant in the success of the Wii U, just as PS Move and the Vita have been. Nintendo's real threat going forward is in the erosion of the $30-$60 software market.
Across all platforms and regions, Nintendo's only real success right now is the 3DS in Japan. Last generation the success of the DS spread from Japan across Europe and the US and that paved the way for the Wii's historic success.
To some extent the Wii was probably a fad, but it still did gangbusters with Nintendo's core business. Mario Kart has sold at 34M copies so far and NSMBWii is at 27M. If Nintendo's first party software can catch on as it has in past generations (and as it doing right now in Japan with the 3DS) then there is every reason to suspect that the Wii U can sell to levels approaching what the Wii did.
Wasn't aware.
I seriously doubt Nintendo has some secret 3rd party games coming, exclusives or multiplatform.
I don´t think it´s really hard to understand, due to its genre (FPS) there are a lot of very similar games and especially in this gen that got waves and waves of FPS it´s not surprising that some people get tired from this genre and isn´t exactly something fresh except a new coat of paint.
The contrast to that is that Nintendo makes a lot of games in genres that aren´t supported by other publishers, this means there aren´t many similar games to begin with. To make an example Pikmin3. a) the last game releases in 2004 b) there aren´t many similar games. Therefore it´s no rocket science that it feels to be a much fresher experience. Also Nintendo in most cases only releases only 1 entry on a system, which is quite different to what happens for example tp Call of Duty, Assassins Creed. Even the critisised NSMBU series has only seen one entry per system so far.
Snowden's Secret
Banned
Can you provide any examples of the Sony expanding the medium past better graphics?
Killzone demo:
-Scripted flyover
-Scripted walking through environment
-Scripted explosion
-Player character is immobilized but instantly recovers and becomes super soldier
-Linear level
-Chest high walls
-Iron sights
-Enemies just standing around
-Scripted on rails set piece segment
Sony choosing to highlight this specific game sends a strong signal that they view next gen solely in presentation terms, not game design ones. You can say you weren't compelled by Wii U software all day (and you will) but it's ignorant to say they aren't at least trying.
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
I'll let you guys play console fanboys, I'll play and enjoy both
Fair enough, but there are precedents for surprises on Wii U. Did you guess Bayonetta 2 was coming, or Watch Dogs, before they were announced?
Barack Lesnar
Banned
You completely ignored the question/point in the quoted post, which actually says a lot.
Hasn't been posted on GAF, several ambitious indie exclusives are coming this spring: http://nintendoenthusiast.com/13065/wii-u-indie-games/
Projectjustice
Banned
Love post like these. lol
TwEE-N-Toast
Banned
Made Wii U look a bit better actually, what with the whole GBA-GameCube connectivity angle. Looked very cool though. Can that be streamed anywhere?
I don't think I'm going to be wowed anymore by graphics and I know thats how people judged these things.
I don't think I'm going to be wowed anymore by graphics and I know thats how people judged these things.
GoddyofAus
Banned
This is almost delusional. What games do Nintendo currently have that anyone can point at and say "this will sell consoles"? A HD remake of Wind Waker?
Smash Bros needs to be some seriously hot shit if they want to stay competitive for the next 5 or 6 years at least.
Snip.
I'll let you guys play console fanboys, I'll play and enjoy both
Man, it's amazing what 7 months can do. I thought that Zelda tech demo looked amazing last year and now it looks average in comparison
The weak machine won the last three console generations. What changed in 2012?
Jeez I hope you are wrong. Sony don't, please, I can't even wait until the Christmas, I can't imagine another three months later.
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
This is almost delusional. What games do Nintendo currently have that anyone can point at and say "this will sell consoles"? A HD remake of Wind Waker?
Smash Bros needs to be some seriously hot shit if they want to stay competitive for the next 5 or 6 years at least.
Man, it's amazing what 7 months can do. I thought that Zelda tech demo looked amazing last year and now it looks average in comparison
It still looks amazing to me. I never played Dragon's Dogma so I don't know how good the game is, but I pretty much always love Zelda games so obviously I'm biased. But the same goes for Infamous. If it's the same as PS3 graphics but with 60fps I'll be there excited with my card in hand.
Bony Manifesto
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The Dreamcast won its generation?
Plus, there's a danger in equating (or at least implying) correlation with causality. After all, when was the last time the console that launched first win its generation?
To keep my post short: The Wii U will do fine off of Nintendo's first party offerings plus the rare 3rd party gem, like the Gamecube and N64 before it. Games are what sell these video game consoles, even with the bigger push for multimedia capabilities. It will exceed the Gamecube's sales due to the bigger market, but never meet Wii's lifetime sales and hype.
Weak machine with MOST games released for it won the last three generations.
So the Wii U is already out of running for that race.
Which says exactly nothing for the PS4 right now.
Steve Youngblood
Member
I do kind of get what you're arguing, but it just ultimately seems rather flimsy. "I'm tired of all these other companies milking franchises and genres too much, they should take a lesson from Nintendo who milks their franchises just enough."
Snowden's Secret
Banned
I wasn't responding to your question, I was asking you one (which you didn't answer) because I'm curious to hear your thoughts on the matter.
How's it out of that running race when we only know of three or four games for PS4 that aren't ports?
Seriously, I don't think this supposed "weakest console" rule of thumb is that legible as a whole but this stuff is way too early to call at this point.
Eteric Rice
Member
I'm convinced that the Wii U will hold up just fine. I think we've gotten to the point where it's hard to make a bad looking game anymore. It's not likely going to be like last generation where the new generation games makes the old generation games hard on the eyes.
This gen and the next gen are literally times where you'd have to TRY to make a shitty looking game.
This gen and the next gen are literally times where you'd have to TRY to make a shitty looking game.
So far, when Sony launched first with a headstart of more than a half year they won, when Nintendo launched first or in the same period it was Nintendo. Examples:
PSX vs N64 -> PSX
PS2 vs GC -> PS2
DS vs PSP -> DS
Wii vs PS3 -> Wii
3DS vs PSV -> 3DS
What games do you own on the PS4?
We have been going through this same cycle since PSP vs. DS.
Sony shows the graphically superior machine, and a good segment of the gamers say Nintendo is toast.
But that is never the case, and more times than not, Nintendo trounces Sony.
We don't know the price yet, but this thing is likely to cost $499 US Dollars minimum. In today's economy, with all the other entertainment options out there, and the diminishing returns the upgrade in visuals will provide to the masses, I think Nintendo is feeling pretty good this morning.
I'll let you guys play console fanboys, I'll play and enjoy both
Until we 100% know that footage is rendered in real time on a ps4, the Zelda demo wins as that was at least confirmed running on very early Wii U dev kits and interactive on a Wii U gamepad.
I think the Zelda demo isn't that far behind still.
Bony Manifesto
Member
Well exactly, you can select whatever stats you want to prove whatever point you're trying to make. It's all meaningless.
Yep. And honestly, does anyone think the better graphics int he Capcom demo will add anything of benefit to gameplay? At all?
This isn't SNES->N64, or even PS1-->PS2. Except for big budget open world games, I will be surprised if graphical enhancements will add anything to gameply on the new XBox and PS4, unless developers actually invest in better AI (yeah right)