The Wii U in a worse or better shape after the PS4 reveal?

Like hell it does. If we're expected to believe the "average person" won't notice the difference between PS4 and PS3 how are they going to notice the difference between PS360 and Wii U?

More to the point, considering that the hardware in the Wii U is only marginally more powerful than the PS360 which do you think the system is more likely to get - ports of PS360 games or downports of PS4/720?

Those are good points. I think that the PS4 and potentially the 720 are just so far beyond the WiiU, a port from PS360 to the WiiU rather than a port from PS4/720 is the much more likely scenario.

I actually think this will be good for the industry. It will extend the life of the PS360 generation, Nintendo will get more support than they did with the Wii while releasing their first party titles - all while PS4/720 build their installed base.
 
This needs to stop. The Wii U is more capable then the PS3/360. Not on par or weaker. That shouldn't be up for debate. Period.

Even if you think so. The devs and publishers do not. That's what matters.
 
Wii U is ok because.

1. No marketing from Nintendo yet probably waiting for healthier library. Expect another launch soon.
2. I don't think casuals don't care about Wii U, they don't know it exists or they think is an addon for Wii U. Nintendo is the only one that can change this. Tough yes, not impossible.
3. It sold better than PS360 for the first 3 months and without games.
4. It is the best companion console for PS4, Xbox 720 or PC.
5. Price (not now but later).
6. Best local and party multiplayer option
7. Best console for Kids.
 
I think the Wii U will have a good holiday season in 2013, as consumers become more aware of 'next gen' machines and start evaluating their options. PS4/Nextbox at 400-500 dollars with a limited library of games, vs Wii U for $250-300 (assuming a price cut or attractive bundles) with a decent number of family-friendly Nintendo staples, off-TV play, and backwards compatibility with Wii games and peripherals? It's not so cut and dry for most consumers and I can see the Wii U being the more appealing choice for many.

The second wave of Nintendo games will have very nice visuals that, due to art style, will likely seem comparable to whatever is available on the other machines to a casual observer. Most people haven't seen graphics like what PS4 will offer, but they also haven't seen 3D Mario in high definition. Both will look impressive IMO, making price and game selection the most distinguishing factors.
I believe in this.
 
Blame the hackers. Nintendo is obviously reinitializing much of the OS each time you switch an app as to prevent hackers access to the root of the machine.

I've been wondering if this could possible be part of the problem. Not just with the Wii U but the 3DS as it loads things similarly.
 
Even if you think so. The devs and publishers do not. That's what matters.
Are only the devs who downplay the system to be believed? There seem to be just as many saying that they like the system which is a pretty big turnaround from the widespread panning of the Wii.

As much as people don't want to see it a lot has changed going into next gen and you can't just apply the rules of what happened over the last 7 to 8 years to what will happen in the future. This applies to the Wii U not reaching the epic heights of the Wii as well as support favoring only the Sony/MS systems while ignoring the Wii U. Right now it looks just as likely that the other next gen consoles are going to struggle as much as the Wii U while the PS360 continue to thrive which will have a negative effect on all three hardware makers.
I heard some of that prior to the machines launch. Since then. Nothing.
Then you've been filtering out quite a bit. Did you miss the several Criterion threads for example?
 
Are only the devs who downplay the system to be believed? There seem to be just as many saying that they like the system which is a pretty big turnaround from the widespread panning of the Wii.

I heard some of that prior to the machines launch. Since then. Nothing.
 
Both WiiU and the PS4 are starting in the same foot IMHO.

They were both announced while being somewhere far from being done, the first games announced looked good but not great and we still have that feeling of "Same Old Games"

Sony or Microsoft really needs to kick off the next-gen by showing a game that surprises us, makes us think "Oh wait the Wii-U won't do this", and I'm not talking about graphics only, but gameplay, physics, or anything.
 
Both WiiU and the PS4 are starting in the same foot IMHO.

They were both announced while being somewhere far from being done, the first games announced looked good but not great and we still have that feeling of "Same Old Games"

Sony or Microsoft really needs to kick off the next-gen by showing a game that surprises us, makes us think "Oh wait the Wii-U won't do this", and I'm not talking about graphics only, but gameplay, physics, or anything.

Were you watching the same reveal?

We got hardware specs, OS demoes, game demoes, engine demoes, trailers, actual confirmation of 3rd party support (as if that were ever in question) and a target release date with the PS3.

We got more goods on the PS4 in an off-shoot press conference than we got in 2 E3s for Wii U leading up to its launch.

PS4 and Wii U aren't starting on the same foot at all. Not even debatable.
 
Were you watching the same reveal?

We got hardware specs, OS demoes, game demoes, engine demoes, trailers, actual confirmation of 3rd party support (as if that were ever in question) and a target release date with the PS3.

We got more goods on the PS4 in an off-shoot press conference than we got in 2 E3s for Wii U leading up to its launch.

PS4 and Wii U aren't starting on the same foot at all. Not even debatable.
And this is why it's really hard to have these types of discussions when people are already so grounded in their beliefs. Aside from specs which Nintendo has (wrongly) decided not to give up anymore we got all of those things from Nintendo's last E3. We even got the ridiculous developer reel with all the big directors talking about how excited they are to develop on Wii U even though we saw the same type of reel at the Wii reveal and the support never materialized.

Sony's 3rd party support is more grounded in reality than Nintendo's with certainty but let's not lock anything out of debate based on a press conference.
 
The guys from Criterion had heaps of praise for it, for one.

I've just googled and read the article. They are very positive relative to WiiU which is great. I fear though that this is going to be the exception and not the rule.
 
So I fired up my Wii U again yesterday (after a while) to get F-Zero and the Monster Hunter 3 demo. And in the light of recent announcements of the PS4 the Wii U just looks and feels one huge step behind.
Of course the Wii U hasn't become any worse since it's launch but when you see the PS4 and its advanced technology and the new concepts Sony is planning it really made my head ache yesterday about some of the decisions made for the WiiU OS, especially regarding User Experience (I could start an entire thread about this). Of course I haven't seen much, not to say didn't touch anything PS4 yet, but the sluggish Wii U OS seems sooo far behind now.

This is not supposed to be a Wii U bash or anything. Just my personal astonishment about why Nintendo put the Wii U together so carelessly, partially ignoring technological advancements completely.

Sorry, but I find this rather dumb, and horribly inconsistent. I would also present the case which says they are in a stronger position than the gaming community cares to believe. You haven't even touched a PS4 game (nobody on NeoGAF has), let alone seen the console. With that in mind, how can it be a step behind, when the step in question is not even here yet? Also, I would ask whether you own one of the PS360 consoles. If the answer to that question is 'YES', then do you not feel the same about those, or more so, given that the Wii U is much more powerful than both? How about a PC? ALL consoles are behind that, and that includes the PS4. For now, all the Wii U needed was better cross-platform support, and to stay with PS360 games; Later on, it would have to hope for a solid user base, then get PS4/360 successor's games. Please note that many 8th Gen engines have been created with scalability in mind, and developers themselves have confirmed that the Wii U is capable of running them (the UE4s, Frostbite 2s, Cry Engine 3s, even Luminous is scalable to PS3s and mobiles, so it's not unthinkable to say that the Wii U can have it, too) - I was bullied in the past for pointing this out, but it doesn't make what I wrote less true. It isn't a beast of beasts, but still, it's a very efficient and very impressive piece of tech. That Monolith VS Killzone 4 picture on here is both dumb and abysmal form, too, because the flight scene was a cinematic clip VS Monolith's actual gameplay on a title which isn't finished yet. The actual gameplay visuals for Killzone 4 were still very good, but not in a way that it made Monolith's early efforts look terrible, or, Crysis 3, to take another title and something more in line with Killzone's genre.

Also, I would point you to the latest Need For Speed; Here, you can see a noticeably superior version, but if it doesn't do well, it'll be because it was released further down the line after the other versions. That game is also out of the starting blocks for the Wii U, and don't forget, it has to maintain that image quality AND display images on the GamePad, THEN have them working in time - Sometimes, two times the display for its games. This is a very critical point which gets overlooked frequently on the Internet. For Nintendo's own games, one has to allow for the fact that this is THEIR FIRST STEP into HD game development - Monolith's project, 'X', has been shown around here, and I would put it to everybody that it's very impressive for a first/early attempt. At least, the signs there are very encouraging, and they can only get better over time - It's a tragedy for the gaming community that rather than encourage them to continue in that spirit and do better, or even embrace them as newcomers to the HD era, NeoGAF and others instead resort to childish GIFs, hit-and-run posts, trollbait and downright shitting on Nintendo at every opportunity. While it is true that they have more to learn in some of these areas, they are not in a bad shape by any stretch.

I would also consider that not all games HAVE TO or NEED TO push graphics capabilities. Mega Man 9 and Retro City Rampage are every bit 7th Gen Games as Skyrim or Grand Theft Auto 4. The idea that all games do or will is a complete folly and BS, and one would've thought that a site for so-called 'games enthusiasts' would get this.

Furthermore, Watch_Dogs is coming to the Wii U and PS4, so we know that it will have the tools to get PS4 games. Many are acting as if the Wii U has already reached its full potential on Day One/Launch Window port jobs, but it's barely scratched the surface. Regardless of what Console Creationists say and their grand delusions, it's an 8th Gen console, and should be regarded as in that bracket with the PS4 and the X360's successor. Those who talk it down and call it '7th Gen, 2005 tech, behind the curve' couldn't be any further from the truth. Ultimately, the games are the most important, and Nintendo is doing much right there - Indie announcements are happening every other day on Twitter, while Bayonetta 2, Lego City: Undercover, Dragon Quest X, etc. are exclusives, and games such as Sonic & ASRT, TTT2 and Scribblenauts have exclusive content. It's a long-term project, and I fully expect it to stay with the others. It should be expected to stay with the others, too. They might not compete later on in visuals, but the differences are more 6th Gen than 7th (i.e., Dreamcast or PS2 - XBox than Wii - PS360), with the Wii U positioning itself at the Dreamcast & PS2 end of the scale (possibly higher than that), and the others at the GameCube & XBox end... and I think everybody can feel more than content with that. Can anybody say with a straight face that the gameplay shots of Knack blew those of The Wonderful 101, for example, out of the water? Truthfully, I don't think anybody can. Certainly, cross-platform houses have no more excuses to ignore it, and if it is, it won't be due to a lack of power, but because they didn't want their games there. Let us come back in 2017-2018, when the Wii U is in its twilight years, and you will see the noticeable steps.
 
Sorry, but I find this rather dumb, and horribly inconsistent.

Furthermore, Watch_Dogs is coming to the Wii U and PS4, so we know that it will have the tools to get PS4 games.

Pot calling the kettle black here?

Obviously there are two SKU's here for this game. A 360/PS3/Wii U/Moderately powerful PC and a PS4/720/High performance PC. Both adapter for the appropriate power. And the way almost every third party version has turned out so far, there's a good chance the worst version will be the Wii U.
 
Furthermore, Watch_Dogs is coming to the Wii U and PS4, so we know that it will have the tools to get PS4 games.

Wrong.

Wii U is getting the PS3/360 version of Watch Dogs.

When they stop making PS3/360 versions of third party games, there will be either a horribly gimped, rushed Wii U version, or no Wii U version at all. Wii third party support all over again.
 
I'll most likely end up getting a PS4, but let's keep things in perspective--Sony's in a far more precarious financial position than either Nintendo or Microsoft, and I don't see how, based on what we know so far, the PS4 is going to change this. We don't even know how much it's going to cost.
 
Wrong.

Wii U is getting the PS3/360 version of Watch Dogs.

When they stop making PS3/360 versions of third party games, there will be either a horribly gimped, rushed Wii U version, or no Wii U version at all. Wii third party support all over again.

WiiU will get better textures and possibly gamepad integration. WiiU will get the WiiU version of the game.
 
WiiU will get better textures and possibly gamepad integration. WiiU will get the WiiU version of the game.

What part of anything any third party has done with Wii U so far leads you to that conclusion? If anything, it will be a quick and dirty port with flaws like every other third party game has been because the game won't sell worth a shit on Wii U.
 
What part of anything any third party has done with Wii U so far leads you to that conclusion? If anything, it will be a quick and dirty port with flaws like every other third party game has been because the game won't sell worth a shit on Wii U.

NFS is filling people with false hope.

(Even though it renders less players online)
 
Wrong.

Wii U is getting the PS3/360 version of Watch Dogs.

When they stop making PS3/360 versions of third party games, there will be either a horribly gimped, rushed Wii U version, or no Wii U version at all. Wii third party support all over again.

Modern game engines are far more scaleable today than they were last gen. The gap this time is a lot smaller than last time and won't require nearly as much to be cut. Every major third party will be pushing cross generation games for as long as they can.
 
the Wii U will stay alive as long as the PS3 and 360 remain supported.

Sony has a better records of continuing console support during a gen change so that alone on 3rd party land could keep the Wii U alive for same games
 
What part of anything any third party has done with Wii U so far leads you to that conclusion? If anything, it will be a quick and dirty port with flaws like every other third party game has been because the game won't sell worth a shit on Wii U.
one of the more negative comments I've seen, and your so convinced about it too.

"High-res PC textures are the headline addition, but Criterion has also improved night-time lighting after employing new staff who previously worked in the motion picture business. In contrast to the other versions, the game begins at night perhaps to highlight the difference.
"The Wii U has had a bit of a bad rap - people have said it's not as powerful as 360, this, that and the other. That, by and large, has been based on apples to oranges comparisons that don't really hold water. Hopefully we'll go some way to proving that wrong,"

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-need-for-speed-most-wanted-wii-u-behind-the-scenes

NFS is filling people with false hope.

(Even though it renders less players online)

False hope? They have gameplay video of the obviously higher res textures. I also doubt the 2 less online players has anything to do with horsepower.
 
Why can't we be happy that we have choices? Like its been stated, who wants three consoles with the same specs and functionality? I think that the Wii U will be alright. I don't think it will do Wii numbers, but I think in the long run, it will survive.

I buy Nintendo consoles to play Mario and other Nintendo games. I buy a Playstation to play God of War and their other games. We should be grateful that we have three companies that are competing and making each other sweat.
 
And this is why it's really hard to have these types of discussions when people are already so grounded in their beliefs. Aside from specs which Nintendo has (wrongly) decided not to give up anymore we got all of those things from Nintendo's last E3. We even got the ridiculous developer reel with all the big directors talking about how excited they are to develop on Wii U even though we saw the same type of reel at the Wii reveal and the support never materialized.

Sony's 3rd party support is more grounded in reality than Nintendo's with certainty but let's not lock anything out of debate based on a press conference.

Beliefs? No, just fact. We learned more about the PS4 than what it took Nintendo 2 E3s to show us. PS4 hasn't even had its first E3 yet.

I think it's a bit disingenuous to claim they're starting off on the same foot. They're not. The PS4 is heir to a family of hardware that gets a ton of quality software support. The Wii U isn't. That fact alone means a TON of unanswered questions for Wii U that are practically givens for PS4 (and Durango).
 
the Wii U will stay alive as long as the PS3 and 360 remain supported.

Sony has a better records of continuing console support during a gen change so that alone on 3rd party land could keep the Wii U alive for same games

They're not even releasing Wii U games RIGHT NOW when there are like 50 games coming out for the PS3/360 in the first 8 months or so. What makes you think they're going to support the Wii U with ports a year from now?
 
Pot calling the kettle black here?

Obviously there are two SKU's here for this game. A 360/PS3/Wii U/Moderately powerful PC and a PS4/720/High performance PC. Both adapter for the appropriate power. And the way almost every third party version has turned out so far, there's a good chance the worst version will be the Wii U.

I don't remember hearing Ubisoft say that there will be two separate versions - Please point me to this, and I will accept your superior knowledge on this title. Also, the worst version? I don't think it'll be worse than the PS360 versions. Still, the idea of 2 PC versions is questionable - I would've imagined it more likely to be the same game with PC owners adjusting their settings accordingly. We only know rumours on Microsoft's next console (nothing concrete), and it may or may not be visually inferior to the PS4 version - that depends on how far Ubisoft will go to achieve that. The point here isn't about the specs, only that it will be able to have games in the way that the PS2 could get the GameCube games such as Soul Calibur or Resident Evil 4, and therefore developers have no excuse to ignore it.
 
one of the more negative comments I've seen, and your so convinced about it too.




http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-need-for-speed-most-wanted-wii-u-behind-the-scenes



False hope? They have gameplay video of the obviously higher res textures. I also doubt the 2 less online players has anything to do with horsepower.

So one port 6 months after launch among a dozen or more so games that has performance problems means something?

Hell I'm sure Saturn had some versions of games better than the Playstation or N64 versions as well. One doesn't make an entire lineup though. Especially comparing something like a fucking racing game to an open world game.
 
Worse. Once the generation really gets going and that 8 gigs really starts getting used, I don't see how multiform titles are going to be able to be scaled to WiiU without stupidly dumbing down the tech. It won't get Final Fantasy, it won't get Star Wars 1313, it won't get Destiny (online infrastructure)....it's gonna need some outstanding first party content, and Galaxy 3 ain't it.

Destiny will come to WiiU

lol assuming the next 3D mario game will be Galaxy 3 (unless that's just a placeholder and you 're not saying it will play exactly like galaxy)
 
The download speeds have to be fixed. Its criminal how long it takes to download a demo/game!!

I half agree. Obviously many have experienced slow download times but as soon as last night when I downloaded the monster hunter demo (over 800MB) it took only 15 minutes. Comparatively speaking though earlier downloads of smaller size took longer which I honestly think several factors come in to play. I do think especially since launch download speeds have improved.
 
Why can't we be happy that we have choices? Like its been stated, who wants three consoles with the same specs and functionality? I think that the Wii U will be alright. I don't think it will do Wii numbers, but I think in the long run, it will survive.

I buy Nintendo consoles to play Mario and other Nintendo games. I buy a Playstation to play God of War and their other games. We should be grateful that we have three companies that are competing and making each other sweat.

Well said
 
So one port 6 months after launch among a dozen or more so games that has performance problems means something?

Hell I'm sure Saturn had some versions of games better than the Playstation or N64 versions as well. One doesn't make an entire lineup though. Especially comparing something like a fucking racing game to an open world game.

Yea because they just push the port button and out comes the shitty wiiU version. Those ports were obviously rushed on a system that they haven't developed on. And it's only been 4 months since launch, a great sign that developers are starting to understand the wiiU and take advantage of it.
 
Yea because they just push the port button and out comes the shitty wiiU version. Those ports were obviously rushed on a system that they haven't developed on. And it's only been 4 months since launch, a great sign that developers are starting to understand the wiiU and take advantage of it.

Yeah its a great sign that its the ONLY new third party game coming out in about the first 8-9 months of this year right? Oh wait, there's a Sniper Elite V2 game port as well, my bad.
 
Sorry, but I find this rather dumb, and horribly inconsistent. I would also present the case which says they are in a stronger position than the gaming community cares to believe. You haven't even touched a PS4 game (nobody on NeoGAF has), let alone seen the console. With that in mind, how can it be a step behind, when the step in question is not even here yet? Also, I would ask whether you own one of the PS360 consoles. If the answer to that question is 'YES', then do you not feel the same about those, or more so, given that the Wii U is much more powerful than both? How about a PC? ALL consoles are behind that, and that includes the PS4. For now, all the Wii U needed was better cross-platform support, and to stay with PS360 games; Later on, it would have to hope for a solid user base, then get PS4/360 successor's games. Please note that many 8th Gen engines have been created with scalability in mind, and developers themselves have confirmed that the Wii U is capable of running them (the UE4s, Frostbite 2s, Cry Engine 3s, even Luminous is scalable to PS3s and mobiles, so it's not unthinkable to say that the Wii U can have it, too) - I was bullied in the past for pointing this out, but it doesn't make what I wrote less true. It isn't a beast of beasts, but still, it's a very efficient and very impressive piece of tech. That Monolith VS Killzone 4 picture on here is both dumb and abysmal form, too, because the flight scene was a cinematic clip VS Monolith's actual gameplay on a title which isn't finished yet. The actual gameplay visuals for Killzone 4 were still very good, but not in a way that it made Monolith's early efforts look terrible, or, Crysis 3, to take another title and something more in line with Killzone's genre.

Also, I would point you to the latest Need For Speed; Here, you can see a noticeably superior version, but if it doesn't do well, it'll be because it was released further down the line after the other versions. That game is also out of the starting blocks for the Wii U, and don't forget, it has to maintain that image quality AND display images on the GamePad, THEN have them working in time - Sometimes, two times the display for its games. This is a very critical point which gets overlooked frequently on the Internet. For Nintendo's own games, one has to allow for the fact that this is THEIR FIRST STEP into HD game development - Monolith's project, 'X', has been shown around here, and I would put it to everybody that it's very impressive for a first/early attempt. At least, the signs there are very encouraging, and they can only get better over time - It's a tragedy for the gaming community that rather than encourage them to continue in that spirit and do better, or even embrace them as newcomers to the HD era, NeoGAF and others instead resort to childish GIFs, hit-and-run posts, trollbait and downright shitting on Nintendo at every opportunity. While it is true that they have more to learn in some of these areas, they are not in a bad shape by any stretch.

I would also consider that not all games HAVE TO or NEED TO push graphics capabilities. Mega Man 9 and Retro City Rampage are every bit 7th Gen Games as Skyrim or Grand Theft Auto 4. The idea that all games do or will is a complete folly and BS, and one would've thought that a site for so-called 'games enthusiasts would get this.

Furthermore, Watch_Dogs is coming to the Wii U and PS4, so we know that it will have the tools to get PS4 games. Many are acting as if the Wii U has already reached its full potential on Day One/Launch Window port jobs, but it's barely scratched the surface. Regardless of what Console Creationists say and their grand delusions, it's an 8th Gen console, and should be regarded as in that bracket with the PS4 and the X360's successor. Those who talk it down and call it '7th Gen, 2005 tech, behind the curve' couldn't be any further from the truth. Ultimately, the games are the most important, and Nintendo is doing much right there - Indie announcements are happening every other day on Twitter, while Bayonetta 2, Lego City: Undercover, Dragon Quest X, etc. are exclusives, and games such as Sonic & ASRT, TTT2 and Scribblenauts have exclusive content. It's a long-term project, and I fully expect it to stay with the others. It should be expected to stay with the others, too. They might not compete later on in visuals, but the differences are more 6th Gen than 7th (i.e., Dreamcast or PS2 - XBox than Wii - PS360), with the Wii U positioning itself at the Dreamcast & PS2 end of the scale (possibly higher than that), and the others at the GameCube & XBox end... and I think everybody can feel more than content with that. Can anybody say with a straight face that the gameplay shots of Knack blew those of The Wonderful 101, for example, out of the water? Truthfully, I don't think anybody can. Certainly, cross-platform houses have no more excuses to ignore it, and if it is, it won't be due to a lack of power, but because they didn't want their games there. Let us come back in 2017-2018, when the Wii U is in its twilight years, and you will see the noticeable steps.

AMEN!!
 
I half agree. Obviously many have experienced slow download times but as soon as last night when I downloaded the monster hunter demo (over 800MB) it took only 15 minutes. Comparatively speaking though earlier downloads of smaller size took longer which I honestly think several factors come in to play. I do think especially since launch download speeds have improved.

How can someone "half agree" with that statement?

It is unacceptable for an 800MB demo to take 15 minutes. That is around 900KB/s. What year are we in? 2008?

Next-gen consoles should be able to max out a 3MB/s line without issue. If Nvidia, Steam, Microsoft, AMD can do it with drivers... Hell, even FREE filelocker sites can do it... Then it is unacceptable for a company as large as Nintendo to be so far behind on something as crucial as its own network.
 
I've been wondering if this could possible be part of the problem. Not just with the Wii U but the 3DS as it loads things similarly.

Yes. It's most likely security related.

Same reason why BlackBerry phones used to (and sometimes still do) take several MINUTES to reboot.
 
Yeah its a great sign that its the ONLY new third party game coming out in about the first 8-9 months of this year right? Oh wait, there's a Sniper Elite V2 game port as well, my bad.

No, i said its a geat sign that developers are starting to take advantage of the hardware. Even if it's just one that we've seen so far. lol and whats with your "subtle" jabs, do you have something to gain?
 
Wrong.

Wii U is getting the PS3/360 version of Watch Dogs.

When they stop making PS3/360 versions of third party games, there will be either a horribly gimped, rushed Wii U version, or no Wii U version at all. Wii third party support all over again.

Are we really playing this kind of future prediction game? Market has radically changed, Sony, MS and Nintendo are not alone anymore.

Don't generalize

cyberheater. Just ignore him. He is one of those with an agenda.
 
Better texture does not make a game you know.

And I've always been the "gameplay matters most" guy, lol can't win.
I was merely discrediting someone's assertion that it was going to be the same game, which it is, but has a few differences. trust me I don't care about shiny roads.
 
False hope in the sense that others will put the same effort into Wii U versions if games.

There is no false hope. Final toolkits/devkits have been in the hands of developers in the last couple of months so the second wave of Wii U games will be a far cry from the first (with Need for Speed as the forerunner).
 
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